Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by C-B-M

That was a lengthy way of saying that if you don't agree with Ihmotepp you're a mullah.

 

Uh, no.

If you don't agree with my fiscal policy, that would not make you a Mullah.

What a relief!  Because your fiscal policy is pretty stupid, too.

Apparently this is Conservative-Based-Moroff's true face and favorite song.  The quoted post is a prime example that I am right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woySeSNBL3o&feature=related

I think the media circus around the case set a very dangerous environment for Casey Anthony.  Pretty much every media outlet has been trying their best to get this woman killed.  How a person can live with themselves by doing this is beyond me.  They obviously have no respect for the US legal system; and constantly air people talking about how she should be tried guilty and killed.  Maybe they could have convicted her if the Prosecutors scenario wasn't so ludicrous.  They didn't have a good case on murder, but they tried anyway and lost.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

 

A woman's right to choose is HER RESPONSIBLITY not yours.

She only has a right to choose when it involves only her. But it doesn't. It also involves the unborn child. So...

It's her womb, not yours.

You can do whatever you want with YOUR womb.

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. I don't see how it started any anarchist society.

And more unborn children have been murdered in 38 years than the genocides by stalin or hitler combined.

Also...I said beginning. And it has shown. When people have no moral responsibility. Law means nothing.

 

Responsibility

: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness

2

: something for which one is responsible : burden responsibilities>

 

 

I don't see anything in there that gives you the right to control a womans womb. Its being responsible morally or legally. It's LEGAL to have an abortion.

So what if it's legal? Slavery has been legal. Controlled rape has been illegal. Genocide has been legal.

And people have to be responsible to THEIR  morals, not YOURS.

Anyone who doesn't consider murder immoral has no morals.

Making people responsible for YOUR morals?

Well, move to Iran. That's what they do with Sharia Law.

Uh. Are you completely obtuse? That's every country. The elite decide "the morals" of the many.

Abortion is illegal in Iran.

Maybe you'll like it there.

 

 

Seriously, I think you might be happier in Iran. It's a theocracy, and they control women. I think that's what you want.

It's not going to happen in the US, but it does exist in Iran.

rape not equal abortion.

murder not equal abortion.

Slavery not equal abortion.

No one is buying those retarded attempts to hide your real agenda, control of a woman's womb.

If you want to control something, why don't you worry about your penis?

If you want that control it DOES exist. In Iran. Iran controls women, they are not equal to men, and abortion is illegal.

I suggest you move there if that's the kind of society you want to live in.

 

This whole, "Move to iran" bit is tiresome and is a sign of a lazy attempt at debate.

Stating, "It's not going to happen in the US", is so laughable. Fact is, before 1973, it was happening in the U.S. Before the supreme court UNCONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED, states right. Surprise!

Murder...Does equal abortion, it's the same damn thing.

 

And what is your obsession about a woman's womb? NO ONE CARES ABOUT A WOMANS WOMB! Except you...Because you seem RIDICULOUSLY obsessed with womens wombs.

Here. Let's close this argument with this quote.

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

- Norma McCorvey

If you don't know who Norma McCorvey, she's more popularly known as Jane Roe.

Even the woman that in 1969 attemptedly lied to doctors in texas to try to get a legal abortion, and then was used as a pawn by Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, later in life recognized the error of her ways, and even attempted to get the same supreme court decision she was responsible for, overturned.

 

Really? You're going to make the retarded "fetus = child" statement? Get a clue.

If you think abortion = murder, I think you should move to Iran. It seems YOU"RE the one obsessed with a woman's womb, since you want control over it.

Why don't you just worry about controlling your penis?

They force their religion on people In Iran. You'd fit right in.

During the Founding of the United States, abortion was legal before the "quickening".

It was only later that abortion was made illegal. Rights in the US have eroded for quite some time.

Thank goodness we're leaving that stuff in the past and moving forward.

BTW, prohibition is also over. It's legal to drink alchohol now, just like it was when the US was founded. \

When people like you try to take away freedoms of Americans, I feel like it might have been better if you'd been aborted.

We'd all be better off.

But there's no test you can do to tell if someone is going to end up being a control freak, worried about controlling other people's lives, instead of tending to their own business.

 

 

 

Prove that a fetus doesnt = child and therefor doesn't equal murder.

I have this inclination that you can't, since all simple science proves you incorrect.

 

 

Children breathe without assistance, a fetus doesn't. That's why we have two different words, and not just one. Duh.

Done.

So by your logic...Anyone who has reliance on a breathing tube, should be allowed to die by the whims of whoever...

That's...Really nice. So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

And yes, when it comes to protecting the life of an innocent human being, I am a control freak.

 

Yep. You'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran. Rather than try to chage the US into Iran, why not just pack your bags and move to Iran where you can rejoice in a society that takes away freedom?

Is that your only argument? Are you so incapable of deep cognitive thought, you come back with repetitive uncreative strawman argument?

Originally posted by Cleffy

I think the media circus around the case set a very dangerous environment for Casey Anthony.  Pretty much every media outlet has been trying their best to get this woman killed.  How a person can live with themselves by doing this is beyond me.  They obviously have no respect for the US legal system; and constantly air people talking about how she should be tried guilty and killed.  Maybe they could have convicted her if the Prosecutors scenario wasn't so ludicrous.  They didn't have a good case on murder, but they tried anyway and lost.

Duh?

Of course the american populace doesn't have faith in the legal system. Should they?

I've seen no reason as to why they should. It's a joke, a damn bad joke.

People are calling this OJ 2.0. And for good reason. Bitch is guilty. Someones going to kill her, and she'll deserve it.

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

 

A woman's right to choose is HER RESPONSIBLITY not yours.

She only has a right to choose when it involves only her. But it doesn't. It also involves the unborn child. So...

It's her womb, not yours.

You can do whatever you want with YOUR womb.

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. I don't see how it started any anarchist society.

And more unborn children have been murdered in 38 years than the genocides by stalin or hitler combined.

Also...I said beginning. And it has shown. When people have no moral responsibility. Law means nothing.

 

Responsibility

: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness

2

: something for which one is responsible : burden responsibilities>

 

 

I don't see anything in there that gives you the right to control a womans womb. Its being responsible morally or legally. It's LEGAL to have an abortion.

So what if it's legal? Slavery has been legal. Controlled rape has been illegal. Genocide has been legal.

And people have to be responsible to THEIR  morals, not YOURS.

Anyone who doesn't consider murder immoral has no morals.

Making people responsible for YOUR morals?

Well, move to Iran. That's what they do with Sharia Law.

Uh. Are you completely obtuse? That's every country. The elite decide "the morals" of the many.

Abortion is illegal in Iran.

Maybe you'll like it there.

 

 

Seriously, I think you might be happier in Iran. It's a theocracy, and they control women. I think that's what you want.

It's not going to happen in the US, but it does exist in Iran.

rape not equal abortion.

murder not equal abortion.

Slavery not equal abortion.

No one is buying those retarded attempts to hide your real agenda, control of a woman's womb.

If you want to control something, why don't you worry about your penis?

If you want that control it DOES exist. In Iran. Iran controls women, they are not equal to men, and abortion is illegal.

I suggest you move there if that's the kind of society you want to live in.

 

This whole, "Move to iran" bit is tiresome and is a sign of a lazy attempt at debate.

Stating, "It's not going to happen in the US", is so laughable. Fact is, before 1973, it was happening in the U.S. Before the supreme court UNCONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED, states right. Surprise!

Murder...Does equal abortion, it's the same damn thing.

 

And what is your obsession about a woman's womb? NO ONE CARES ABOUT A WOMANS WOMB! Except you...Because you seem RIDICULOUSLY obsessed with womens wombs.

Here. Let's close this argument with this quote.

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

- Norma McCorvey

If you don't know who Norma McCorvey, she's more popularly known as Jane Roe.

Even the woman that in 1969 attemptedly lied to doctors in texas to try to get a legal abortion, and then was used as a pawn by Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, later in life recognized the error of her ways, and even attempted to get the same supreme court decision she was responsible for, overturned.

 

Really? You're going to make the retarded "fetus = child" statement? Get a clue.

If you think abortion = murder, I think you should move to Iran. It seems YOU"RE the one obsessed with a woman's womb, since you want control over it.

Why don't you just worry about controlling your penis?

They force their religion on people In Iran. You'd fit right in.

During the Founding of the United States, abortion was legal before the "quickening".

It was only later that abortion was made illegal. Rights in the US have eroded for quite some time.

Thank goodness we're leaving that stuff in the past and moving forward.

BTW, prohibition is also over. It's legal to drink alchohol now, just like it was when the US was founded. \

When people like you try to take away freedoms of Americans, I feel like it might have been better if you'd been aborted.

We'd all be better off.

But there's no test you can do to tell if someone is going to end up being a control freak, worried about controlling other people's lives, instead of tending to their own business.

 

 

 

Prove that a fetus doesnt = child and therefor doesn't equal murder.

I have this inclination that you can't, since all simple science proves you incorrect.

 

 

Children breathe without assistance, a fetus doesn't. That's why we have two different words, and not just one. Duh.

Done.

 

So by your logic...Anyone who has reliance on a breathing tube, should be allowed to die by the whims of whoever...

That's...Really nice. So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

And yes, when it comes to protecting the life of an innocent human being, I am a control freak.

 

Yep. You'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran. Rather than try to chage the US into Iran, why not just pack your bags and move to Iran where you can rejoice in a society that takes away freedom?

Is that your only argument? Are you so incapable of deep cognitive thought, you come back with repetitive uncreative strawman argument?

By my logic a fetus is not a baby. It's a silly semantic trick, switching "baby" for "fetus" used by those that can't accept that America is a free country.

I would support taking away a right for a woman to get an abortion, if whenever you force a woman to have a child, we castrate the man that impregnated her.

that would be control over body of both the man, and the woman.

If you'll take that deal, then we can agree to control people's bodies.

I doubt you'll take it.

It's MOSTLY men that want to stop abortion.

Why?

They can't be forced to have a child, since they can't get pregnant, and they want to control women.

it's like saying slavery is ok for black people, when you're white.

The law doesn't apply to you, so who cares?

When the law applies to men, suddenly they don't like it so much.

It's a very small risk.

You just don't have sex with a woman unless you ask her first if she wants to have your baby.

But if you don't do that, and get her pregnant, and she wants to abort, you can say no.

But you lose your testiticles.

Deal?

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Cleffy

I think the media circus around the case set a very dangerous environment for Casey Anthony.  Pretty much every media outlet has been trying their best to get this woman killed.  How a person can live with themselves by doing this is beyond me.  They obviously have no respect for the US legal system; and constantly air people talking about how she should be tried guilty and killed.  Maybe they could have convicted her if the Prosecutors scenario wasn't so ludicrous.  They didn't have a good case on murder, but they tried anyway and lost.

Duh?

Of course the american populace doesn't have faith in the legal system. Should they?

I've seen no reason as to why they should. It's a joke, a damn bad joke.

People are calling this OJ 2.0. And for good reason. Bitch is guilty. Someones going to kill her, and she'll deserve it.

"So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?" - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4335872

So, you admit it.  You do, in fact, endorse murder.

The US legal system is unique in several ways which just makes it a superior system.  First the trials are not determined by a standing judge, but by ordinary people.  This eliminates alot of potential corruption in the system.  Second its innocent until proven guilty instead of the other way around.  So this way people don't need to try and defend themselves from every false accusation thrown their way.  You also don't get problems like the American in Italy charged with murdering her friend while diving off the coast there.  She has to prove she is innocent.

This means the prosecutor needs more then just a story to get someone on murder.  The prosecuters story was rather outlandish and failed to make a proper connection between her, a murder weapon, a time of murder, a motive of murder, and clear evidence that points to all those lining up.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Hazelle

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I've been trying to avoid coverage of this case wherever possible, so I cannot personally express shock at the outcome, but most of the analysts are in disbelief.  Was the evidence against her that strong?  If it was and she got away with murder, then you have to wonder about the competence of the average American juror.  The OJ trial was a fiasco and if this one was the same, it does not bode well for the American judical system.

 They had a bunch of circumstantial evidence and not one bit of direct evidence.

The decision was the correct one.

When you send somebody to prision for a crime you have to KNOW that they did it and not THINK that they did it; and when all you're presented with is circumstantial evidence there's always doubt.

 

You don' thave to "know". You can have doubts. There is also no problem convicting someone on circumstantial evidence alone.

Your statements are simply incorrect. In this case, there was not enough circumstantial evidence to overcome reasonable doubt.

 

Reasonable doubt is a standard of proof used in criminal trials. When a criminal defendant is prosecuted, the prosecutor must prove the defendant's guilt Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.

If the jurors or judge have no doubt as to the defendant's guilt, or if their only doubts are unreasonable doubts, then the prosecutor has proven the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the defendant should be pronounced guilty.

 If you kept what I said in it's context you could of skipped the lesson professor.

Without direct evidence there shouldn't even be a trial.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Cleffy

I think the media circus around the case set a very dangerous environment for Casey Anthony.  Pretty much every media outlet has been trying their best to get this woman killed.  How a person can live with themselves by doing this is beyond me.  They obviously have no respect for the US legal system; and constantly air people talking about how she should be tried guilty and killed.  Maybe they could have convicted her if the Prosecutors scenario wasn't so ludicrous.  They didn't have a good case on murder, but they tried anyway and lost.

Duh?

Of course the american populace doesn't have faith in the legal system. Should they?

I've seen no reason as to why they should. It's a joke, a damn bad joke.

People are calling this OJ 2.0. And for good reason. Bitch is guilty. Someones going to kill her, and she'll deserve it.

"So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?" - http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4335872

 

So, you admit it.  You do, in fact, endorse murder.

Murder is the killing of the innocent, she is not innocent. She is guilty, And therefor, it is not murder. Justice, execution. Whatever you desire to call it. But no. Not murder.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

 

A woman's right to choose is HER RESPONSIBLITY not yours.

She only has a right to choose when it involves only her. But it doesn't. It also involves the unborn child. So...

It's her womb, not yours.

You can do whatever you want with YOUR womb.

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. I don't see how it started any anarchist society.

And more unborn children have been murdered in 38 years than the genocides by stalin or hitler combined.

Also...I said beginning. And it has shown. When people have no moral responsibility. Law means nothing.

 

Responsibility

: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness

2

: something for which one is responsible : burden responsibilities>

 

 

I don't see anything in there that gives you the right to control a womans womb. Its being responsible morally or legally. It's LEGAL to have an abortion.

So what if it's legal? Slavery has been legal. Controlled rape has been illegal. Genocide has been legal.

And people have to be responsible to THEIR  morals, not YOURS.

Anyone who doesn't consider murder immoral has no morals.

Making people responsible for YOUR morals?

Well, move to Iran. That's what they do with Sharia Law.

Uh. Are you completely obtuse? That's every country. The elite decide "the morals" of the many.

Abortion is illegal in Iran.

Maybe you'll like it there.

 

 

Seriously, I think you might be happier in Iran. It's a theocracy, and they control women. I think that's what you want.

It's not going to happen in the US, but it does exist in Iran.

rape not equal abortion.

murder not equal abortion.

Slavery not equal abortion.

No one is buying those retarded attempts to hide your real agenda, control of a woman's womb.

If you want to control something, why don't you worry about your penis?

If you want that control it DOES exist. In Iran. Iran controls women, they are not equal to men, and abortion is illegal.

I suggest you move there if that's the kind of society you want to live in.

 

This whole, "Move to iran" bit is tiresome and is a sign of a lazy attempt at debate.

Stating, "It's not going to happen in the US", is so laughable. Fact is, before 1973, it was happening in the U.S. Before the supreme court UNCONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED, states right. Surprise!

Murder...Does equal abortion, it's the same damn thing.

 

And what is your obsession about a woman's womb? NO ONE CARES ABOUT A WOMANS WOMB! Except you...Because you seem RIDICULOUSLY obsessed with womens wombs.

Here. Let's close this argument with this quote.

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

- Norma McCorvey

If you don't know who Norma McCorvey, she's more popularly known as Jane Roe.

Even the woman that in 1969 attemptedly lied to doctors in texas to try to get a legal abortion, and then was used as a pawn by Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, later in life recognized the error of her ways, and even attempted to get the same supreme court decision she was responsible for, overturned.

 

Really? You're going to make the retarded "fetus = child" statement? Get a clue.

If you think abortion = murder, I think you should move to Iran. It seems YOU"RE the one obsessed with a woman's womb, since you want control over it.

Why don't you just worry about controlling your penis?

They force their religion on people In Iran. You'd fit right in.

During the Founding of the United States, abortion was legal before the "quickening".

It was only later that abortion was made illegal. Rights in the US have eroded for quite some time.

Thank goodness we're leaving that stuff in the past and moving forward.

BTW, prohibition is also over. It's legal to drink alchohol now, just like it was when the US was founded. \

When people like you try to take away freedoms of Americans, I feel like it might have been better if you'd been aborted.

We'd all be better off.

But there's no test you can do to tell if someone is going to end up being a control freak, worried about controlling other people's lives, instead of tending to their own business.

 

 

 

Prove that a fetus doesnt = child and therefor doesn't equal murder.

I have this inclination that you can't, since all simple science proves you incorrect.

 

 

Children breathe without assistance, a fetus doesn't. That's why we have two different words, and not just one. Duh.

Done.

 

So by your logic...Anyone who has reliance on a breathing tube, should be allowed to die by the whims of whoever...

That's...Really nice. So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

And yes, when it comes to protecting the life of an innocent human being, I am a control freak.

 

Yep. You'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran. Rather than try to chage the US into Iran, why not just pack your bags and move to Iran where you can rejoice in a society that takes away freedom?

Is that your only argument? Are you so incapable of deep cognitive thought, you come back with repetitive uncreative strawman argument?

 

By my logic a fetus is not a baby. It's a silly semantic trick, switching "baby" for "fetus" used by those that can't accept that America is a free country.

And when your logic has been shattered to bits, you go back to pointless opinion...So you lose on that regard.

I would support taking away a right for a woman to get an abortion, if whenever you force a woman to have a child, we castrate the man that impregnated her.

That has absolutely no relevancy and is a completely ignorant and asinine comparison.

that would be control over body of both the man, and the woman.

Restricting one being from harming another being is necessary at all times. If no harm is intended, no control is intended. Hence why unless the man is forcing the woman to have an abortion, no control over his body is necessary.

Courts have in fact decided that when a man kills a pregnant woman, it is double homocide...Hrmm...What an interesting concept that completely blows your asinine statements out of the water.

If you'll take that deal, then we can agree to control people's bodies.

I doubt you'll take it.

To make an accurate comparison. How about in the process after we castrate the man, we'll also perform a female castration, and cut out her ovaries. Deal? Then it'll be an equal comparison.

It's MOSTLY men that want to stop abortion.

That's complete bullshit. Every woman that I've ever discussed this with, is vehemently against abortion. Quit pulling assumptions out of your ass. It proves nothing except an inability to cohesively form a valid argument.

Why?

They can't be forced to have a child, since they can't get pregnant, and they want to control women.

it's like saying slavery is ok for black people, when you're white.

Really? That's an extremely poor analogy and has no comparitive power whatsoever.

The law doesn't apply to you, so who cares?

When a woman is raped and killed. Should we seek punishment? The law doesn't apply to us, so who cares.

When the law applies to men, suddenly they don't like it so much.

It's a very small risk.

You just don't have sex with a woman unless you ask her first if she wants to have your baby.

But if you don't do that, and get her pregnant, and she wants to abort, you can say no.

But you lose your testiticles.

Deal?

Uhm...If she doesn't want a child...Don't have sex. Simple enough. The end.

And the deal sounds fine...But only after we incinerate out her ovaries and perform a vaginal castration.

Deal?

Eye for an eye...

 

But oh wait...That doesn't work. Because you fail to live in a world of any type of logical base.

 

 

 

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

 

A woman's right to choose is HER RESPONSIBLITY not yours.

She only has a right to choose when it involves only her. But it doesn't. It also involves the unborn child. So...

It's her womb, not yours.

You can do whatever you want with YOUR womb.

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. I don't see how it started any anarchist society.

And more unborn children have been murdered in 38 years than the genocides by stalin or hitler combined.

Also...I said beginning. And it has shown. When people have no moral responsibility. Law means nothing.

 

Responsibility

: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness

2

: something for which one is responsible : burden responsibilities>

 

 

I don't see anything in there that gives you the right to control a womans womb. Its being responsible morally or legally. It's LEGAL to have an abortion.

So what if it's legal? Slavery has been legal. Controlled rape has been illegal. Genocide has been legal.

And people have to be responsible to THEIR  morals, not YOURS.

Anyone who doesn't consider murder immoral has no morals.

Making people responsible for YOUR morals?

Well, move to Iran. That's what they do with Sharia Law.

Uh. Are you completely obtuse? That's every country. The elite decide "the morals" of the many.

Abortion is illegal in Iran.

Maybe you'll like it there.

 

 

Seriously, I think you might be happier in Iran. It's a theocracy, and they control women. I think that's what you want.

It's not going to happen in the US, but it does exist in Iran.

rape not equal abortion.

murder not equal abortion.

Slavery not equal abortion.

No one is buying those retarded attempts to hide your real agenda, control of a woman's womb.

If you want to control something, why don't you worry about your penis?

If you want that control it DOES exist. In Iran. Iran controls women, they are not equal to men, and abortion is illegal.

I suggest you move there if that's the kind of society you want to live in.

 

This whole, "Move to iran" bit is tiresome and is a sign of a lazy attempt at debate.

Stating, "It's not going to happen in the US", is so laughable. Fact is, before 1973, it was happening in the U.S. Before the supreme court UNCONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED, states right. Surprise!

Murder...Does equal abortion, it's the same damn thing.

 

And what is your obsession about a woman's womb? NO ONE CARES ABOUT A WOMANS WOMB! Except you...Because you seem RIDICULOUSLY obsessed with womens wombs.

Here. Let's close this argument with this quote.

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

- Norma McCorvey

If you don't know who Norma McCorvey, she's more popularly known as Jane Roe.

Even the woman that in 1969 attemptedly lied to doctors in texas to try to get a legal abortion, and then was used as a pawn by Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, later in life recognized the error of her ways, and even attempted to get the same supreme court decision she was responsible for, overturned.

 

Really? You're going to make the retarded "fetus = child" statement? Get a clue.

If you think abortion = murder, I think you should move to Iran. It seems YOU"RE the one obsessed with a woman's womb, since you want control over it.

Why don't you just worry about controlling your penis?

They force their religion on people In Iran. You'd fit right in.

During the Founding of the United States, abortion was legal before the "quickening".

It was only later that abortion was made illegal. Rights in the US have eroded for quite some time.

Thank goodness we're leaving that stuff in the past and moving forward.

BTW, prohibition is also over. It's legal to drink alchohol now, just like it was when the US was founded. \

When people like you try to take away freedoms of Americans, I feel like it might have been better if you'd been aborted.

We'd all be better off.

But there's no test you can do to tell if someone is going to end up being a control freak, worried about controlling other people's lives, instead of tending to their own business.

 

 

 

Prove that a fetus doesnt = child and therefor doesn't equal murder.

I have this inclination that you can't, since all simple science proves you incorrect.

 

 

Children breathe without assistance, a fetus doesn't. That's why we have two different words, and not just one. Duh.

Done.

 

So by your logic...Anyone who has reliance on a breathing tube, should be allowed to die by the whims of whoever...

That's...Really nice. So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

And yes, when it comes to protecting the life of an innocent human being, I am a control freak.

 

Yep. You'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran. Rather than try to chage the US into Iran, why not just pack your bags and move to Iran where you can rejoice in a society that takes away freedom?

Is that your only argument? Are you so incapable of deep cognitive thought, you come back with repetitive uncreative strawman argument?

 

By my logic a fetus is not a baby. It's a silly semantic trick, switching "baby" for "fetus" used by those that can't accept that America is a free country.

And when your logic has been shattered to bits, you go back to pointless opinion...So you lose on that regard.

I would support taking away a right for a woman to get an abortion, if whenever you force a woman to have a child, we castrate the man that impregnated her.

That has absolutely no relevancy and is a completely ignorant and asinine comparison.

that would be control over body of both the man, and the woman.

Restricting one being from harming another being is necessary at all times. If no harm is intended, no control is intended. Hence why unless the man is forcing the woman to have an abortion, no control over his body is necessary.

Courts have in fact decided that when a man kills a pregnant woman, it is double homocide...Hrmm...What an interesting concept that completely blows your asinine statements out of the water.

If you'll take that deal, then we can agree to control people's bodies.

I doubt you'll take it.

To make an accurate comparison. How about in the process after we castrate the man, we'll also perform a female castration, and cut out her ovaries. Deal? Then it'll be an equal comparison.

It's MOSTLY men that want to stop abortion.

That's complete bullshit. Every woman that I've ever discussed this with, is vehemently against abortion. Quit pulling assumptions out of your ass. It proves nothing except an inability to cohesively form a valid argument.

Why?

They can't be forced to have a child, since they can't get pregnant, and they want to control women.

it's like saying slavery is ok for black people, when you're white.

Really? That's an extremely poor analogy and has no comparitive power whatsoever.

The law doesn't apply to you, so who cares?

When a woman is raped and killed. Should we seek punishment? The law doesn't apply to us, so who cares.

When the law applies to men, suddenly they don't like it so much.

It's a very small risk.

You just don't have sex with a woman unless you ask her first if she wants to have your baby.

But if you don't do that, and get her pregnant, and she wants to abort, you can say no.

But you lose your testiticles.

Deal?

Uhm...If she doesn't want a child...Don't have sex. Simple enough. The end.

And the deal sounds fine...But only after we incinerate out her ovaries and perform a vaginal castration.

Deal?

Eye for an eye...

 

But oh wait...That doesn't work. Because you fail to live in a world of any type of logical base.

 

 

 

Lol.

So, when YOUR testicles are at risk, suddenly controlling people's bodies isn't such a good idea. 

When you're just going to control women, like the Taliban do, it's a great idea.

Thought so.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

 

A woman's right to choose is HER RESPONSIBLITY not yours.

She only has a right to choose when it involves only her. But it doesn't. It also involves the unborn child. So...

It's her womb, not yours.

You can do whatever you want with YOUR womb.

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. I don't see how it started any anarchist society.

And more unborn children have been murdered in 38 years than the genocides by stalin or hitler combined.

Also...I said beginning. And it has shown. When people have no moral responsibility. Law means nothing.

 

Responsibility

: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness

2

: something for which one is responsible : burden responsibilities>

 

 

I don't see anything in there that gives you the right to control a womans womb. Its being responsible morally or legally. It's LEGAL to have an abortion.

So what if it's legal? Slavery has been legal. Controlled rape has been illegal. Genocide has been legal.

And people have to be responsible to THEIR  morals, not YOURS.

Anyone who doesn't consider murder immoral has no morals.

Making people responsible for YOUR morals?

Well, move to Iran. That's what they do with Sharia Law.

Uh. Are you completely obtuse? That's every country. The elite decide "the morals" of the many.

Abortion is illegal in Iran.

Maybe you'll like it there.

 

 

Seriously, I think you might be happier in Iran. It's a theocracy, and they control women. I think that's what you want.

It's not going to happen in the US, but it does exist in Iran.

rape not equal abortion.

murder not equal abortion.

Slavery not equal abortion.

No one is buying those retarded attempts to hide your real agenda, control of a woman's womb.

If you want to control something, why don't you worry about your penis?

If you want that control it DOES exist. In Iran. Iran controls women, they are not equal to men, and abortion is illegal.

I suggest you move there if that's the kind of society you want to live in.

 

This whole, "Move to iran" bit is tiresome and is a sign of a lazy attempt at debate.

Stating, "It's not going to happen in the US", is so laughable. Fact is, before 1973, it was happening in the U.S. Before the supreme court UNCONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED, states right. Surprise!

Murder...Does equal abortion, it's the same damn thing.

 

And what is your obsession about a woman's womb? NO ONE CARES ABOUT A WOMANS WOMB! Except you...Because you seem RIDICULOUSLY obsessed with womens wombs.

Here. Let's close this argument with this quote.

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

- Norma McCorvey

If you don't know who Norma McCorvey, she's more popularly known as Jane Roe.

Even the woman that in 1969 attemptedly lied to doctors in texas to try to get a legal abortion, and then was used as a pawn by Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, later in life recognized the error of her ways, and even attempted to get the same supreme court decision she was responsible for, overturned.

 

Really? You're going to make the retarded "fetus = child" statement? Get a clue.

If you think abortion = murder, I think you should move to Iran. It seems YOU"RE the one obsessed with a woman's womb, since you want control over it.

Why don't you just worry about controlling your penis?

They force their religion on people In Iran. You'd fit right in.

During the Founding of the United States, abortion was legal before the "quickening".

It was only later that abortion was made illegal. Rights in the US have eroded for quite some time.

Thank goodness we're leaving that stuff in the past and moving forward.

BTW, prohibition is also over. It's legal to drink alchohol now, just like it was when the US was founded. \

When people like you try to take away freedoms of Americans, I feel like it might have been better if you'd been aborted.

We'd all be better off.

But there's no test you can do to tell if someone is going to end up being a control freak, worried about controlling other people's lives, instead of tending to their own business.

 

 

 

Prove that a fetus doesnt = child and therefor doesn't equal murder.

I have this inclination that you can't, since all simple science proves you incorrect.

 

 

Children breathe without assistance, a fetus doesn't. That's why we have two different words, and not just one. Duh.

Done.

 

So by your logic...Anyone who has reliance on a breathing tube, should be allowed to die by the whims of whoever...

That's...Really nice. So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

And yes, when it comes to protecting the life of an innocent human being, I am a control freak.

 

Yep. You'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran. Rather than try to chage the US into Iran, why not just pack your bags and move to Iran where you can rejoice in a society that takes away freedom?

Is that your only argument? Are you so incapable of deep cognitive thought, you come back with repetitive uncreative strawman argument?

 

By my logic a fetus is not a baby. It's a silly semantic trick, switching "baby" for "fetus" used by those that can't accept that America is a free country.

And when your logic has been shattered to bits, you go back to pointless opinion...So you lose on that regard.

I would support taking away a right for a woman to get an abortion, if whenever you force a woman to have a child, we castrate the man that impregnated her.

That has absolutely no relevancy and is a completely ignorant and asinine comparison.

that would be control over body of both the man, and the woman.

Restricting one being from harming another being is necessary at all times. If no harm is intended, no control is intended. Hence why unless the man is forcing the woman to have an abortion, no control over his body is necessary.

Courts have in fact decided that when a man kills a pregnant woman, it is double homocide...Hrmm...What an interesting concept that completely blows your asinine statements out of the water.

If you'll take that deal, then we can agree to control people's bodies.

I doubt you'll take it.

To make an accurate comparison. How about in the process after we castrate the man, we'll also perform a female castration, and cut out her ovaries. Deal? Then it'll be an equal comparison.

It's MOSTLY men that want to stop abortion.

That's complete bullshit. Every woman that I've ever discussed this with, is vehemently against abortion. Quit pulling assumptions out of your ass. It proves nothing except an inability to cohesively form a valid argument.

Why?

They can't be forced to have a child, since they can't get pregnant, and they want to control women.

it's like saying slavery is ok for black people, when you're white.

Really? That's an extremely poor analogy and has no comparitive power whatsoever.

The law doesn't apply to you, so who cares?

When a woman is raped and killed. Should we seek punishment? The law doesn't apply to us, so who cares.

When the law applies to men, suddenly they don't like it so much.

It's a very small risk.

You just don't have sex with a woman unless you ask her first if she wants to have your baby.

But if you don't do that, and get her pregnant, and she wants to abort, you can say no.

But you lose your testiticles.

Deal?

Uhm...If she doesn't want a child...Don't have sex. Simple enough. The end.

And the deal sounds fine...But only after we incinerate out her ovaries and perform a vaginal castration.

Deal?

Eye for an eye...

 

But oh wait...That doesn't work. Because you fail to live in a world of any type of logical base.

 

 

 

 

Lol.

So, when YOUR testicles are at risk, suddenly controlling people's bodies isn't such a good idea. 

When you're just going to control women, like the Taliban do, it's a great idea.

Thought so.

 

Wow...Completely ignored EVERYTHING I said, and pulled out a strawman to boot.

You sir, are pathetic. It is better to concede, rather than for you to continually make an ass out of yourself.

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

 

A woman's right to choose is HER RESPONSIBLITY not yours.

She only has a right to choose when it involves only her. But it doesn't. It also involves the unborn child. So...

It's her womb, not yours.

You can do whatever you want with YOUR womb.

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. I don't see how it started any anarchist society.

And more unborn children have been murdered in 38 years than the genocides by stalin or hitler combined.

Also...I said beginning. And it has shown. When people have no moral responsibility. Law means nothing.

 

Responsibility

: the quality or state of being responsible: as a : moral, legal, or mental accountability b : reliability, trustworthiness

2

: something for which one is responsible : burden responsibilities>

 

 

I don't see anything in there that gives you the right to control a womans womb. Its being responsible morally or legally. It's LEGAL to have an abortion.

So what if it's legal? Slavery has been legal. Controlled rape has been illegal. Genocide has been legal.

And people have to be responsible to THEIR  morals, not YOURS.

Anyone who doesn't consider murder immoral has no morals.

Making people responsible for YOUR morals?

Well, move to Iran. That's what they do with Sharia Law.

Uh. Are you completely obtuse? That's every country. The elite decide "the morals" of the many.

Abortion is illegal in Iran.

Maybe you'll like it there.

 

 

Seriously, I think you might be happier in Iran. It's a theocracy, and they control women. I think that's what you want.

It's not going to happen in the US, but it does exist in Iran.

rape not equal abortion.

murder not equal abortion.

Slavery not equal abortion.

No one is buying those retarded attempts to hide your real agenda, control of a woman's womb.

If you want to control something, why don't you worry about your penis?

If you want that control it DOES exist. In Iran. Iran controls women, they are not equal to men, and abortion is illegal.

I suggest you move there if that's the kind of society you want to live in.

 

This whole, "Move to iran" bit is tiresome and is a sign of a lazy attempt at debate.

Stating, "It's not going to happen in the US", is so laughable. Fact is, before 1973, it was happening in the U.S. Before the supreme court UNCONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED, states right. Surprise!

Murder...Does equal abortion, it's the same damn thing.

 

And what is your obsession about a woman's womb? NO ONE CARES ABOUT A WOMANS WOMB! Except you...Because you seem RIDICULOUSLY obsessed with womens wombs.

Here. Let's close this argument with this quote.

"I was sitting in O.R.'s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. 'Norma', I said to myself, 'They're right'. I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo, and I said to myself, that's a baby! It's as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth — that's a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

- Norma McCorvey

If you don't know who Norma McCorvey, she's more popularly known as Jane Roe.

Even the woman that in 1969 attemptedly lied to doctors in texas to try to get a legal abortion, and then was used as a pawn by Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, later in life recognized the error of her ways, and even attempted to get the same supreme court decision she was responsible for, overturned.

 

Really? You're going to make the retarded "fetus = child" statement? Get a clue.

If you think abortion = murder, I think you should move to Iran. It seems YOU"RE the one obsessed with a woman's womb, since you want control over it.

Why don't you just worry about controlling your penis?

They force their religion on people In Iran. You'd fit right in.

During the Founding of the United States, abortion was legal before the "quickening".

It was only later that abortion was made illegal. Rights in the US have eroded for quite some time.

Thank goodness we're leaving that stuff in the past and moving forward.

BTW, prohibition is also over. It's legal to drink alchohol now, just like it was when the US was founded. \

When people like you try to take away freedoms of Americans, I feel like it might have been better if you'd been aborted.

We'd all be better off.

But there's no test you can do to tell if someone is going to end up being a control freak, worried about controlling other people's lives, instead of tending to their own business.

 

 

 

Prove that a fetus doesnt = child and therefor doesn't equal murder.

I have this inclination that you can't, since all simple science proves you incorrect.

 

 

Children breathe without assistance, a fetus doesn't. That's why we have two different words, and not just one. Duh.

Done.

 

So by your logic...Anyone who has reliance on a breathing tube, should be allowed to die by the whims of whoever...

That's...Really nice. So, you admit it, you do endorse murder, yes?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

And yes, when it comes to protecting the life of an innocent human being, I am a control freak.

 

Yep. You'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran. Rather than try to chage the US into Iran, why not just pack your bags and move to Iran where you can rejoice in a society that takes away freedom?

Is that your only argument? Are you so incapable of deep cognitive thought, you come back with repetitive uncreative strawman argument?

 

By my logic a fetus is not a baby. It's a silly semantic trick, switching "baby" for "fetus" used by those that can't accept that America is a free country.

And when your logic has been shattered to bits, you go back to pointless opinion...So you lose on that regard.

I would support taking away a right for a woman to get an abortion, if whenever you force a woman to have a child, we castrate the man that impregnated her.

That has absolutely no relevancy and is a completely ignorant and asinine comparison.

that would be control over body of both the man, and the woman.

Restricting one being from harming another being is necessary at all times. If no harm is intended, no control is intended. Hence why unless the man is forcing the woman to have an abortion, no control over his body is necessary.

Courts have in fact decided that when a man kills a pregnant woman, it is double homocide...Hrmm...What an interesting concept that completely blows your asinine statements out of the water.

If you'll take that deal, then we can agree to control people's bodies.

I doubt you'll take it.

To make an accurate comparison. How about in the process after we castrate the man, we'll also perform a female castration, and cut out her ovaries. Deal? Then it'll be an equal comparison.

It's MOSTLY men that want to stop abortion.

That's complete bullshit. Every woman that I've ever discussed this with, is vehemently against abortion. Quit pulling assumptions out of your ass. It proves nothing except an inability to cohesively form a valid argument.

Why?

They can't be forced to have a child, since they can't get pregnant, and they want to control women.

it's like saying slavery is ok for black people, when you're white.

Really? That's an extremely poor analogy and has no comparitive power whatsoever.

The law doesn't apply to you, so who cares?

When a woman is raped and killed. Should we seek punishment? The law doesn't apply to us, so who cares.

When the law applies to men, suddenly they don't like it so much.

It's a very small risk.

You just don't have sex with a woman unless you ask her first if she wants to have your baby.

But if you don't do that, and get her pregnant, and she wants to abort, you can say no.

But you lose your testiticles.

Deal?

Uhm...If she doesn't want a child...Don't have sex. Simple enough. The end.

And the deal sounds fine...But only after we incinerate out her ovaries and perform a vaginal castration.

Deal?

Eye for an eye...

 

But oh wait...That doesn't work. Because you fail to live in a world of any type of logical base.

 

 

 

 

Lol.

So, when YOUR testicles are at risk, suddenly controlling people's bodies isn't such a good idea. 

When you're just going to control women, like the Taliban do, it's a great idea.

Thought so.

 

Wow...Completely ignored EVERYTHING I said, and pulled out a strawman to boot.

You sir, are pathetic. It is better to concede, rather than for you to continually make an ass out of yourself.