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  elocke

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7/14/11 11:01:57 AM#41
Originally posted by Beanpuie

Despite my negative Stance towards SOE

 

I still hold  their IP, Planetside, above the rest of the crop, Dust 514, firefall, defiance, tribes universe, earthrise, world war 2 online, Mars war, Global Agenda, APB and the rest of the "So called"  MMOFPS' that boil down to nothing more than a Cash shopped, Arena Base 16 v 16 lobby match product, which i dare say, SOME of the next so-called mmofps's will continue with their Cash shopped, Arena Base 16 v 16 lobby match product.

Try those games, and then try PS 1 to see a difference in formula and scale.

Not going to sit here waving a I hate SOE flag while ignoring their continued attempt to venture into things that dont involve a wizard robe/ wizard hat and a  epic rod of Forsoothe +5.

 

These 3 games and maybe some of the other ones(not familiar with tribes or Mars wars) aren't out and we have NO full info on how they play yet let alone resigning them to Arena Base 16v 16 lobby matches.  So your touting PS1 as better than those loses all credibility. 

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  MrBoots

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7/14/11 11:16:01 AM#42

I like how the author forgets the MMOs that came before Evercrap. If anyone kick-started the industry, it was Origin. If anything, SOE came along and made the experience more generic and less fun. They set the standard for all "on rails" mmos to come. Their popularity came from being the only modern 3d mmo in town. (Sorry but m59 was like colored blocks rubbing together.)

Can Planetside 2 fix SoE? I doubt it. It doesn't look like they learned from their mistakes in PS1. There still doesnt seem to be anything to the Planetside world other than capturing random buildings (that all look almost identical)over and over again. I got bored of capturing random building X after a dozen times. I'm going to use an old school word here. Planetside lacks immersion, and Planetside 2 is going down the same road.

  HetNet

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7/14/11 11:17:44 AM#43

Although I would desperately hope that SOE can capture the scale and feel and absolute awe-inspiring gameplay and experience of the beta and early PlanetSide, I'm unable to feel unrestrained anticipation....I just have to wait and see and hope.

 

I've been gaming online since the original Air Warrior on GEnie in 1987 (at 6 bucks an HOUR!) and without hesitation I can state that the original PlanetSide was the absolute most stunning and fun game I ever played online..Nothing else has ever come close....I mean, originally, if memory serves, there was a 450-player-per-empire population size...Which allowed well over 1,000 people to be on-screen at one time...Armor, aircraft, soldiers, as far as the eye could see, all merrily murdering each other with abandon...I'd give anything to experience that again...

  User Deleted
7/14/11 11:23:36 AM#44

How much is SoE charging to read this article? Is this a mini article or a full fledged article? Any articles included with the price of a sub?


That is what i hear when i read about SoE atm.


  Neverdyne

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7/14/11 11:49:00 AM#45
Originally posted by dageeza

$OE is pretty much dead to me, i will watch PS2 from the sideline because i really dislike the corporate structure and decision making of this insidious publisher...


They were once on top of their game but the scene changed and $OE failed to acknowlege it then and still fails to acknowlege it now..


Any publisher that will let games like SWG and eventually EQ1 die instead of going with some kind of preventive F2P model to revive them does not deserve my business..

SWG cannot be turned into a F2P game because of the license. Lucas Arts would charge a lot of money for renewing the license, specially with SWTOR on the way. Turning SWG into F2P would make SOE loose money on it, short and long term. F2P is not a practical solution for every dying game. 

  Benthon

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7/14/11 11:55:00 AM#46

The first MMO since DAoC to have a 3 faction PvP system. Holy f*ck. I bet nobody thought SoE was going to be the one to finally make a game with that.


I'm definitely a little hyped. Vehicles, tactical decisions, hit boxes, Sci-fi? YES PLEASE


He who keeps his cool best wins.

  Asamof

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7/14/11 11:56:39 AM#47

Don't worry, even if planetside 2 is great, SOE will find a way to destroy it. It's their gaurenteed kiss of death


also are there literally SOE white knights in this topic? lmao


  GreenHell

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7/14/11 11:59:05 AM#48
Originally posted by Asamof

Don't worry, even if planetside 2 is great, SOE will find a way to destroy it. It's their gaurenteed kiss of death


 

no doubt

  mockneybrune

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7/14/11 12:02:41 PM#49
Originally posted by Benthon

The first MMO since DAoC to have a 3 faction PvP system. Holy f*ck. I bet nobody thought SoE was going to be the one to finally make a game with that.


I'm definitely a little hyped. Vehicles, tactical decisions, hit boxes, Sci-fi? YES PLEASE

DAoC 2001, Planetside 2003.  I guess Planetside 2 would be the first MMO(FPS) to have a 3 faction PvP system, with vehicles, tactical decisions, hit boxes and a sci-fi theme since...Planetside ;)

Bring on Planetside 2 asap, nothing yet has come close to the awesomeness of the original in my eyes :)

  Beanpuie

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7/14/11 12:04:33 PM#50
Originally posted by elocke
Originally posted by Beanpuie

Despite my negative Stance towards SOE

 

I still hold  their IP, Planetside, above the rest of the crop, Dust 514, firefall, defiance, tribes universe, earthrise, world war 2 online, Mars war, Global Agenda, APB and the rest of the "So called"  MMOFPS' that boil down to nothing more than a Cash shopped, Arena Base 16 v 16 lobby match product, which i dare say, SOME of the next so-called mmofps's will continue with their Cash shopped, Arena Base 16 v 16 lobby match product.

Try those games, and then try PS 1 to see a difference in formula and scale.

Not going to sit here waving a I hate SOE flag while ignoring their continued attempt to venture into things that dont involve a wizard robe/ wizard hat and a  epic rod of Forsoothe +5.

 

These 3 games and maybe some of the other ones(not familiar with tribes or Mars wars) aren't out and we have NO full info on how they play yet let alone resigning them to Arena Base 16v 16 lobby matches.  So your touting PS1 as better than those loses all credibility. 

Fine with me,

in regards to info

 Firefall being  Pve persistant world, pvp arena combat, http://feature.mmosite.com/firefall/feature.shtml,

 http://www.firefallthegame.com/community/threads/frequently-asked-questions-updated-1-11-2011.2/

Dust 514, Ps3 exclusive /no PC, with a cash shop, and "no less than 64 players" as their cap at launch. 

http://www.dust514.org/component/content/article/34-news/54-dust-514-what-do-we-know-so-far

People have more than once asked about "will it rival Planetside in combat and scale" or "will their be massive battles"

Show me a video or Article where any of those games ive listed they have stepped up and said they are going for massive scale infantry,air and ground vehicle combat where hundreds of players will fight each other in a persistant world.

at this time, Tribes Universe:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_Universe  is the closet game among the crop that has stepped up and imo the most likely challenger towards SOE and planetside.

Dont get me started with Mars War, really... 

as of now PS1  is above the current list of games; the Benchmark if you will.

PS2 is the game to beat and SOE is already looking to throw the first punch at all contenders with their recent panel.

  User Deleted
7/14/11 12:07:20 PM#51
Originally posted by Asamof

Don't worry, even if planetside 2 is great, SOE will find a way to destroy it. It's their gaurenteed kiss of death


also are there literally SOE white knights in this topic? lmao

 

This is my worry... there are 2 different goals involved in game making.. making a fun game and making a profitable game

 

most large game corporations aim for a profitable game.. (quick fire expansions.. unbalanced gameplay etc) at the expense of fun and their reputation.

 

Hopefully a developer comes along that has fun as their number one priority.. not that a healthy profit shouldn't be involved ;p

  User Deleted
7/14/11 12:12:21 PM#52

Sure they screwed me many years ago. But i have not been a customer at least one that has payed in many years. Not sure what to make of SOE. it's one of those companys that has earned a bad rep for treating customers no different then any other company. all these game companys are bad to customers. all are greedy and don't care.

 

Nothing new here. it's about making money you are just a demographic. Same with every game company.I don't understand being a "fan" of a game company like some kotor nutcakes are of Bioware.They don't care about you and never will. They start caring when you stop paying.

If planetside 2 is good people will play it.

  Benthon

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7/14/11 12:13:33 PM#53
Originally posted by jado818
Originally posted by Asamof

Don't worry, even if planetside 2 is great, SOE will find a way to destroy it. It's their gaurenteed kiss of death


also are there literally SOE white knights in this topic? lmao

 

This is my worry... there are 2 different goals involved in game making.. making a fun game and making a profitable game

 

most large game corporations aim for a profitable game.. (quick fire expansions.. unbalanced gameplay etc) at the expense of fun and their reputation.

 

Hopefully a developer comes along that has fun as their number one priority.. not that a healthy profit shouldn't be involved ;p

 If the game is fun, a healthy profit always follows.

He who keeps his cool best wins.

  jackimus

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7/14/11 12:14:46 PM#54

I don't think SOE can really redeem themselves from all the damage they've done over the years. What they can do though is attempt to work on the mistakes they've made and try to better themselves. Making Planetside 2 good and following through with their plans on Vanguard and improving that would be a good start, but 1 good game isn't enough IMO. 

  Drakiis

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7/14/11 12:18:13 PM#55

What people have to understand about Soney is their business organization and how it's changing for the better.  In the past when EQ was Verant controlled, things were smooth but when they were bought by SOE and absorbed then the suits took over and considering Sony doesn't just make MMO's they also make CD/DvD/Blue Ray, they make TV's they make digital recording equipment, they are into film and make movies, they make toaster and just about everything you can imagine.  Thus when it comes to a product the higher ups are blind to what is really taking place, all they see are the bottom lines, the exspenses and profits.  This has been SOE's biggest downfall and recently manny of the in house design studios working for SOE have asked to regain their autonomy for building games and surprisingly SOE listened and understood that if they wished to make money they needed to have the parent company stop interfering with the process.  The miracle is taking place now as a restructure to allow the design and operation of these games to proceed unhindered by parent company fumbling.  The realocation of assets into planetside 2 is a good indication that SOE West Coat will have the skills and talent to drive this project home.  The Agency was shelved and various other projects as well to bolster PS2 and EQ3 both being considered SOE Legacy products and and very memerable IPs that were ahead of their time.  Now that the official Sony Corp is out of the way in the decsision process their video game branch can go to work without some Executive trying to tweak something for a profit gain.


  Drakiis

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7/14/11 12:22:20 PM#56

people act like Sony is the only company ever to screw up or fail, this is not so every company has or will eventually, and to be honest one good game can turn a company around history has proven this, wow did a lot for blizzard, and CCP has done very well with one game (EvE)


  Icewhite

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7/14/11 12:24:55 PM#57
Originally posted by Benthon

 If the game is fun, a healthy profit always follows.

Earth and Beyond--the very first successful MMO to go belly-up thanks to the parent company--would like a word with you.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  alkarionlog

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7/14/11 12:26:21 PM#58
Originally posted by Benthon

The first MMO since DAoC to have a 3 faction PvP system. Holy f*ck. I bet nobody thought SoE was going to be the one to finally make a game with that.


I'm definitely a little hyped. Vehicles, tactical decisions, hit boxes, Sci-fi? YES PLEASE

I could list another who wan P2P before became the crap with is today, RFonline, also if you search more you can find a lot more 3 realms fights

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  Saorlan

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7/14/11 1:19:44 PM#59
Lol at all these people saying they will not play an SOE game again .... bullshit ! You will play PS 2 and you know it.

  Mischief

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7/14/11 1:27:33 PM#60

In my opinion a lot of the anti SOE feeling stem from a relatively brief period of time that they were truly arrogant.  This was from about 2003 thru 2005.  In this time we saw the launch of SWG, EQII, and the NGE. 


 


Leading up to this period SOE was king of the MMO world and SOE really ran with the concept that players don’t know what they wanted.  It was as if they were covering their ears, closing their eyes, shaking their heads, and yelling during the development process to avoid hearing player feedback.


 


So in 03 SWG launches, they ignore player feedback (from theme parkers) that there isn’t anything to do.  In 04 EQII launches and is poorly received cause, surprise, they didn’t listen to the players and competitors did.  In 05 they are starting to really get their butt kicked as SWG continues to loose interest and EQII doesn’t live up to expectations.  However arrogance dies hard so they take drastic measures to try and fix the problem, but still are not listening to players, and launch a terrible DoF expansion to EQII and the truly infamous NGE update to SWG.  Think about it, if you hate SOE, something I just wrote about is probably why.


 


Since then I think they have been humbled.  EQII is a much better game now than it was at launch because they started trying to incorporate the things players want.   Free Realms isn't for most of us on this website, but it’s hard to argue it hasn't been anything but successful.  DCUO and Vanguard are pretty decent games that the biggest gripes about are the same complaints almost every MMO has at launch (launching to early and not enough content.)


 


Sure SOE has made good and bad moves since 05, but I argue that the monumental errors of 03-05 shouldn't doom, and could very well improve future releases of PS2 and EQ Next.  Because now they realize they have to listen or someone else will.

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