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  Distopia

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7/13/11 8:43:24 PM#61
Originally posted by spookytooth

I'm not sure I agree with #1. But #2 is dead wrong.

If you spend 150million on a game then you need it to be a big success. And as had been pointed out endlessly on these boards, "open beta" is more a marketing tool than any real beta test. Its the last big marketing push before launch. With so much at stake, not doing an open beta is just odd.

Did you just say TOR needs more marketing, maybe I'm mistaking your meaning, but it sounds an awful lot like you did?

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  Tardcore

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7/13/11 8:50:08 PM#62
Originally posted by Malickie
Originally posted by spookytooth

I'm not sure I agree with #1. But #2 is dead wrong.

If you spend 150million on a game then you need it to be a big success. And as had been pointed out endlessly on these boards, "open beta" is more a marketing tool than any real beta test. Its the last big marketing push before launch. With so much at stake, not doing an open beta is just odd.

Did you just say TOR needs more marketing, maybe I'm mistaking your meaning, but it sounds an awful lot like you did?

Of course it does. Becuse a new large budget MMO made by a well known company like bioware, based on a multigenrational beloved Sci Fi IP that is famous world wide, needs all the help it can get.

(yes that was sarcasm)

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  spookytooth

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7/13/11 8:54:36 PM#63
Originally posted by Malickie
Originally posted by spookytooth

I'm not sure I agree with #1. But #2 is dead wrong.

If you spend 150million on a game then you need it to be a big success. And as had been pointed out endlessly on these boards, "open beta" is more a marketing tool than any real beta test. Its the last big marketing push before launch. With so much at stake, not doing an open beta is just odd.

Did you just say TOR needs more marketing, maybe I'm mistaking your meaning, but it sounds an awful lot like you did?

you heard me right yes.

unless you think the folks at EA/Bioware are sitting back with satisfaction, nodding to eachother saying "oh yeah, we've done enough". Like I said, 150mil is a big gamble. Only a fool would declare victory several months before the game has even launched. But I know its very fashionable in some circles to believe that everyone is already going to buy the game just because its starwars and its bioware.

Does it need more marketing? It needs everything it can get.

  Distopia

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7/13/11 9:02:01 PM#64
Originally posted by spookytooth
 

you heard me right yes.

unless you think the folks at EA/Bioware are sitting back with satisfaction, nodding to eachother saying "oh yeah, we've done enough". Like I said, 150mil is a big gamble. Only a fool would declare victory several months before the game has even launched. But I know its very fashionable in some circles to believe that everyone is already going to buy the game just because its starwars and its bioware.

Does it need more marketing? It needs everything it can get.

 According to you it would seem that's exactly what they're doing, I mean they're not planning for an open beta afterall...

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  spookytooth

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7/13/11 9:02:42 PM#65
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Malickie
Originally posted by spookytooth

I'm not sure I agree with #1. But #2 is dead wrong.

If you spend 150million on a game then you need it to be a big success. And as had been pointed out endlessly on these boards, "open beta" is more a marketing tool than any real beta test. Its the last big marketing push before launch. With so much at stake, not doing an open beta is just odd.

Did you just say TOR needs more marketing, maybe I'm mistaking your meaning, but it sounds an awful lot like you did?

Of course it does. Becuse a new large budget MMO made by a well known company like bioware, based on a multigenrational beloved Sci Fi IP that is famous world wide, needs all the help it can get.

(yes that was sarcasm)

just out of morbid curosity...

if you were the head honcho at EA, and marketing approached about doing TV adds for the game - you would shoot down the idea? Because being bioware and starwars is all you need....

I can assure you, as bizzare as I may sound to you, you sound equally bizarre to me =)

  spookytooth

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7/13/11 9:07:58 PM#66
Originally posted by Malickie
Originally posted by spookytooth
 

you heard me right yes.

unless you think the folks at EA/Bioware are sitting back with satisfaction, nodding to eachother saying "oh yeah, we've done enough". Like I said, 150mil is a big gamble. Only a fool would declare victory several months before the game has even launched. But I know its very fashionable in some circles to believe that everyone is already going to buy the game just because its starwars and its bioware.

Does it need more marketing? It needs everything it can get.

 According to you it would seem that's exactly what they're doing, I mean they're not planning for an open beta afterall...

thats more of an evasion than a response. But alright, I'll take it.

cheers yall

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7/13/11 9:09:11 PM#67

Old news, and not unexpected, they don't need an open beta and they'll still sell over a million copies at the start.

From early play testers we've heard a number of negative complaints, lack of originality, or graphics issues or what have you, but really haven't heard one issue with the level of polish.  Seems like what areas they chose to let people see work well for the most part.

I'm not concerned, I'd still buy it at launch without an open beta. (though I still might not buy it for several other reasons)

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  Distopia

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7/13/11 9:13:37 PM#68
Originally posted by spookytooth
 

thats more of an evasion than a response. But alright, I'll take it.

cheers yall

Maybe so, but I never said they won't market the product more, I just don't think an OB is a needed step to take in that. They've said when launch is coming we'll hear about it loud and clear, which says to me advertising will pick up 150%.

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  Nifa

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7/13/11 9:25:03 PM#69
Originally posted by Isane
Originally posted by taus01

Must be some very good reason, although i can only think of one. It's not as polished/finished as they make us beleive.

That's it for me, not going to buy this game for 60 bucks without a free sneak peek. Going to wait until it gets cheaper or there are free 14 day trials.

15:45 ~ end

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Well I for one think of this differently , it is an immediate buy now.

No open Beta is a massive plus

I agree with Isane.

Massive kudos to Bioware for reminding the industry and players what the purpose of testing actually is (hint: it's not a marketing tool).

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  Tardcore

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7/13/11 9:50:26 PM#70
Originally posted by spookytooth
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Malickie
Originally posted by spookytooth

I'm not sure I agree with #1. But #2 is dead wrong.

If you spend 150million on a game then you need it to be a big success. And as had been pointed out endlessly on these boards, "open beta" is more a marketing tool than any real beta test. Its the last big marketing push before launch. With so much at stake, not doing an open beta is just odd.

Did you just say TOR needs more marketing, maybe I'm mistaking your meaning, but it sounds an awful lot like you did?

Of course it does. Becuse a new large budget MMO made by a well known company like bioware, based on a multigenrational beloved Sci Fi IP that is famous world wide, needs all the help it can get.

(yes that was sarcasm)

just out of morbid curosity...

if you were the head honcho at EA, and marketing approached about doing TV adds for the game - you would shoot down the idea? Because being bioware and starwars is all you need....

I can assure you, as bizzare as I may sound to you, you sound equally bizarre to me =)

Actually I would. Televison advertisements are going to primarily reach people who are not fans of MMOs, know nothing of MMOs, and care nothing for MMOs. Plus are exhorbitantly expensive. So would prove to be a complete and total waste fo time and resources vs general consumer interest spawned.

I would instead focus on the "plugged in" community of the interweb and rely on them to spread the news to those outside via way of mouth. Much much more effective, much cheaper, and there is already large network of web communities that will happily spread your advertizing propaganda for free.

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  Hero_Alpha

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7/14/11 12:22:02 AM#71

Also playing the game with the way the story is set up kinda ruins it. It would be best to start fresh and not play throu and have to have ur char deleted and re-created to do the same story. Although u can just play Jedi if at launch u plan on playing Agent persay. They can get the testing/bugs straight with a smaller group since open betas are basically free previews as a few people have said.

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  sungodra

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7/14/11 12:29:07 AM#72
Originally posted by Elikal

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{mod edit} No offense mate, but for a long time I noticed hate posts from you on this game... Not trying to be insulting or name calling, just don't know how else to describe it.

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  Hekke29

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7/14/11 4:56:36 AM#73

dont worry OP, i have RL friend who was in beta at november/december and it already was WAY better than FF14 at release, so after aproximately a year of work more, it willbe massively better, U wont get dissapointed same as so many people at FF14 launch :)

 

lets just wait for new info, as every time they show something new, its better and better :)

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  Anthur

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7/14/11 5:16:39 AM#74
Originally posted by Hekke29

dont worry OP, i have RL friend who was in beta at november/december and it already was WAY better than FF14 at release, so after aproximately a year of work more, it willbe massively better, U wont get dissapointed same as so many people at FF14 launch :)

 

lets just wait for new info, as every time they show something new, its better and better :)

To be WAY better than FF14 is not really saying much. ;)

  Hopscotch73

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7/14/11 6:30:20 AM#75

Hmm... I'd be more worried about lack of an open beta if BioWare were running their testing like every other company. They're not - there are no "keys" for beta, they are bringing people into testing soley out of those already registered on their site.

 

If I had 1.25 million (the last number quoted) signed up already, and some of them signed up to the site for 3 years, I wouldn't bother risking the ire of the community by going elsewhere looking for testers.

 

If I'm looking for testers, period, I'd be more interested in taking testers who have a proven interest in the game as opposed to (say) anyone with a fileplanet account. 

 

As far as Rfit goes, since people keep bringing it up - how high a profile did that game have before it started it's beta? Not very. The hype shot way up after the various contests for keys started and the profile of the game went up. By contrast, is there a MMO player out there who has not yet heard of SW:TOR? *listens to the sound of tumbleweeds* Thought so.

 

I'm more interested in the NDA dropping than an open beta tbh. That's really when we'll know there's nothing to "hide" (not that I think there is, but it's apparent some do).

 

  garry

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7/14/11 8:30:20 AM#76
Originally posted by Requiamer

There is an agreement between Lucas and Bioware, Lucas get a % of the box sale.

 Think I must disagree a little. Bioware will get all of the Box sales. LucasArts will then get 30% of all Profits from subs. I wish I could remember the article I read about this but it was in some interview with an EA rep I think. Don't flame. just something I read somewhere. Sounds right to me from a business aspect as LucasArts is not a financial investor in the project. Bioware raised the money from investors on the strength of the IP and hope to recover their initial investment from the Box sales, also why it is a subscriber based Pay to buy - Pay to play. We may also see in game micro-transactions although that may come after launch and population stabilizes. Almost certainly cosmetic/vanity items only at first. Unknown after.

  Elidien

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7/14/11 9:26:06 AM#77
Originally posted by taus01

Must be some very good reason, although i can only think of one. It's not as polished/finished as they make us beleive.

That's it for me, not going to buy this game for 60 bucks without a free sneak peek. Going to wait until it gets cheaper or there are free 14 day trials.

15:00 ~ end

http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/8053/GRTV:+Star+Wars:+The+Old+Republic/

Open beta has rarely, if ever, changed the launch of a game. Open beta's are marketing tools and nothing more. Besides SW:TOR has enough people in their closed beta to do any stress testing that needs to be done.

Gone are the days of the typical testing cycle. Most games are creating their own cycle (like Rift).

Further, as someone stated, a cost of a video game isn;t a ton of money and realistically, you should not purchase the game if it is. If you are a big fan of the genre, the game, the devs, the company, etc...., then its up to you to make the purchasing decision. In the case of TOR, I am a huge Star Wars fan, a huge fan of some of the dev team, and a big Bioware fan so I ahve made my decision.

Lastly, I would not play the open beta anyway nor do I want to read a lot about it. TOR will be a story-based game and I want the story to unfold for me at launch and for the first time.

  Amana

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7/14/11 11:18:19 AM#78

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  D_TOX

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7/14/11 11:21:34 AM#79

Open Beta's are for scrubs and/or up and comers. TOR/Bioware has complete confidence it will kick ass, so why bother? I know for a fact the internal testers are stressing the servers in closed as it is. 

  Kabaal

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7/14/11 3:21:06 PM#80
Originally posted by D_TOX

Open Beta's are for scrubs and/or up and comers. TOR/Bioware has complete confidence it will kick ass, so why bother? I know for a fact the internal testers are stressing the servers in closed as it is. 

As is blatantly apparent some people just like to sample the games via 'demo' but they're also a great way to get yourself used to skill rotations, gear set up etc etc for PvP games if you haven't been lucky enough to get into closed. I've occasionally used them for that. Once upon a time i use to enter closed betas with great intentions of bug hunting, causing bugs etc but that eventually got overtaken by just playing the games -and spoiling them for myself when release appeared- so i stoppped taking part.

I'm one of those that will eventually try everything on a favourite restaurants menu just as i eventually try all MMO's whether it's open beta or buying them, usually by buying them. No open beta or no trial? Then it's a shame but it's not really a problem. There are really no MMO's out that I either haven't liked or have played until bored so i have no problem spending the £29.99 on the off chance I'll find another to keep me occupied. Some may call me a fool but i'd be no more of a fool than someone who spends more than that weekly or nightly trying to find false fun in Bars.

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