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  Coman

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Joined: 8/29/04
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7/11/11 4:08:46 PM#21

You can play this game for free. You just have to pay us first...lately every time I read something from CCP I have to check to make sure it aint 1st of April already. 


  Illyssia

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7/11/11 4:28:05 PM#22

It's a cash game. You have to buy-in with a certain ammount to gain the necessary currency. You may even get rewarded for being good, but ultimately CCP are suggesting Dust 514 as cash stakes game that ties into EvE and vice versa.

  gaeanprayer

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7/11/11 4:34:33 PM#23

I don't understand the purpose? Why would they say the game is free, but then say you have to pay to get in? Why not just say the game will be 'cheap' or 'buy 2 pay'?


There's nothing wrong with either of those two scenarios, but when you start playing word games it makes people wary of your product and company.


"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."

  Illyssia

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7/11/11 4:39:43 PM#24

Well...it is quite simple really,  cash stakes or cash buy-in is a very proftiable way to go for FPS game since they are short-term tournament-style games. If CCP can get buy-ins of $10 K (i.e. 1000 going in with a $10 buy-in) for major Dust 514 tournaments at some points you are talking Blizzard-style money, but by a different gaming model. Before you say that $10 buy-in is just chicken feed, let's imagine that down the road the online tournaments catch on and you get elite tournaments with $50 or more buy-in...can see how this model works folks!

  jakin

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7/11/11 8:33:22 PM#25

Originally posted by bumuscheekus

Let me understand this properly. ... Or am I missing something crucial? 



 


 Kind of missing something. 


Dust514 isn't really an add-on to EVE, it's CCP's attempt to branch out into console games.  To do that, they're using their established intellectual property (that being the universe of EVE) to build a FPS.  Then, because they're CCP and they like to try to be different, they're going to try and make a persistent FPS that links into their PC game but remains separate.


(I'm getting this from fanfest interviews mainly)


The business decision to expand their userbase into the console realm is what's behind the title.  They could have used World of Darkness or anything else, but for reasons I can understand they went with their most well known property. 


  psycros

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Joined: 10/29/05
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7/11/11 8:43:10 PM#26

DUST will be exactly that, because nobody will play it.  EVE players have virtually no interest, hard core FPS-ers have no interest in a pay-to-win game, and casual players aren't very interested in FPS.  A fail waiting to happen, much like EVE itself is becoming.


  Xhieron

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Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 130

Don't trust these people. They're crooks.

7/11/11 10:03:11 PM#27

Originally posted by DEXA88



CCP wana make shure that PS3 players will buy monocles :)



 


This guy gets it.  I'm willing to bet the "free credits" is not in-game currency, but cash shop currency.  you know, just to give people a taste.  a little sample, if you will, so they can get good and accustomed to using the cash shop to take care of all of their needs.  --you know ... goggles for the heavily chlorinated pool.  Yeah, we read the newsletter.


 


Yet another confirmation that CCP's stance hasn't changed a lick since it all hit the fan.  I'm taking my money elsewhere, and that elsewhere excludes this game, WOD, and anything else that has the filthy, tainted stamp of CCP on it.


Peace and safety.

  Xondar123

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7/12/11 4:10:37 AM#28

Originally posted by bumuscheekus



Let me understand this properly. This game is an FPS ancillary plug-in to the Eve online universe, a very popular game for PC. Everyone playing Eve has been getting excited about it since it was announced as an interesting new FPS angle to the game to take the edge off the endless cash grind and slightly removed spaceship-based theme. And...you can only play it on the PS3, consoles being for most PC gamers, the macDonalds prostitute of poor gaming choice. Emmm. Why is no one pointing out that that's the dumbest most idiotic concept in the history of computer games. Or am I missing something crucial? 



 


Everyone has said this, some people just refuse to listen.


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  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4735

7/12/11 6:15:33 AM#29

How about making this game for PC?


It will solve lots of problems.......not sure why they went for a PS3 exclusive


 


Oh well, Battlefield 3 is round the corner, can't wait for it.


  Minsc

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Posts: 1281

7/12/11 9:39:07 AM#30

OH FFS people the pc gaming population is a FRACTION of the console gaming population. Also the reason it's not also on Xbox is purely M$'s fault because they refuse to open their platform up to MMO games. As for the not on PC crowd, they are looking to get NEW CUSTOMERS not cannibalize their existing playerbase.


There's no doubt CCP has made some monumental fuckups in the past month or so but their strategy for releasing Dust 514 is NOT one of them.


  Otakun

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Posts: 905

7/12/11 9:49:40 AM#31
Originally posted by Minsc

OH FFS people the pc gaming population is a FRACTION of the console gaming population. Also the reason it's not also on Xbox is purely M$'s fault because they refuse to open their platform up to MMO games. As for the not on PC crowd, they are looking to get NEW CUSTOMERS not cannibalize their existing playerbase.


There's no doubt CCP has made some monumental fuckups in the past month or so but their strategy for releasing Dust 514 is NOT one of them.

PC gaming population is a faction of the console gaming population? That is far from truth. If population is the issue here then they might as well make the game for smartphones or facebook.

  VirusDarko

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Joined: 1/11/12
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1/11/12 10:57:56 PM#32

Originally posted by Otakun


Originally posted by Minsc


OH FFS people the pc gaming population is a FRACTION of the console gaming population. Also the reason it's not also on Xbox is purely M$'s fault because they refuse to open their platform up to MMO games. As for the not on PC crowd, they are looking to get NEW CUSTOMERS not cannibalize their existing playerbase.




There's no doubt CCP has made some monumental fuckups in the past month or so but their strategy for releasing Dust 514 is NOT one of them.



PC gaming population is a faction of the console gaming population? That is far from truth. If population is the issue here then they might as well make the game for smartphones or facebook.



 


It is true. There are a lot of computer players out there but when it comes down to it, there are a ton of consoles as well. Consoles take up most the FPS's out there. In my personal opinion, FPS's should only be played in a a,s,d,w fashion but it's not. There are more sales for BF3 and CoD on consoles rather than PC so in my opinion, PS3 was a very wise choice for CCP. Putting that aside, CCP is doing something that could open the door for others to look at. Console to PC total interaction. Yes, it's true that it has been done before. Not many have been sucessful at much of any level.


 


As for those asking why a PS3 exclusive....


Originally it was scheduled to be released on the 360 and the PS3 where the two could combat. The announced at E3 2011 the PS3 Exclusive. Reason? More than likely what has been stated. PS3 network is easier to link Tranquility up with. The network is simply a piggy back so that their server can take control once connected. The PSN will be dropped afterwards once connection is made. With the 360, this wouldn't happen. MS has a closed network not allowing much of anything in to it. It has taken them forever to catch up with the PS3's power using the internet and still, nowhere near where it should be. Anyone play GoW on the 360? How long does it take you to get in to a match? Same with CoD or BF3? Could you imagine what would happen if Dust was thrown on to that network? 3,500 solar systems each having x amount of planets. Even if the planets are set to 7 generic styles, it would have to know where the planet was located within the Eve universe. The xbox would have an electronic instant facepalm retardation.


  warmaster670

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Posts: 1441

1/11/12 11:04:36 PM#33
Originally posted by bumuscheekus

And...you can only play it on the PS3, consoles being for most PC gamers, the macDonalds prostitute of poor gaming choice. Emmm.

Rofl, and people wonder why everyone hates pc gamers, there the extreme racists of the gaming world.
They honestly think that choosing to play games on a different system makes them better, its quite pathetic really.

Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.

  Zolgar

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Joined: 1/11/11
Posts: 540

Where is fancy bred? In the heart or in the head?

1/11/12 11:22:13 PM#34

Kind of excited for this. I bought a PS3 to use as more of a media station (blue rays, Netflix, etc) and for the occasional exclusive (mostly JRPGs) so it's nice to something else to use it for. Honestly, I was always under the assumption that you would have to pay a "box" fee anyways so this doesn't bother me at all. As far as having a cash shop goes, if they do indeed use one, hopefully it's all cosmetic and "exp boost" styled stuff. 

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