How does the inclusion of things like underwater combat/adventuring make GW2 more than just a themepark?

Originally posted by Malickie

How does the inclusion of things like underwater combat/adventuring make GW2 more than just a themepark?

Its a themepark.... WITH SNORKELS!!!

Most of the article seems to be saying that because it has nice looking graphics it won't be a theme park. I have to disagree with that.

"We all know about the new dynamic events that can take place in the world around our characters.  The same example is used all the time by ArenaNet to explain how they work. This is the village under attack, which isn’t just another randomly placed village with a few buildings placed in the middle of nowhere.  This village is placed in the region strategically, and is changed based on what you decide to do.  If you save it, the smoke will begin to clear and the buildings will remain mostly intact.  The villagers will be alive and thankful for your heroic actions.  If you let it burn, it is the complete opposite.  This is truly an environment that you interact with, not just some lever you can pull and a door opens up."

Seems to be the only paragraph that shows the game outside of aesthetics.

We will see how it pans out. I hope it truly is different than WAR's public events or Rift's rifts. Those were cool for about 5 minutes, but then one sees them for what they are; static points in the world that never change.

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Malickie

How does the inclusion of things like underwater combat/adventuring make GW2 more than just a themepark?

Its a themepark.... WITH SNORKELS!!!

And underwater rides ;).

Originally posted by Myria

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 And yet every thing that ANet has promised to be included in GW2 is ALREADY in GW2.  ANet does not promise what it cant deliver, so no need to hate.  Everything that has been mentioned so far from the word of GW2 is in game and verrifiable as of now.

I see GW2 creating a branch in the Themepark MMO field.

One branch will be the new successful Themeparks that deviate from the old EQ/WoW ways and are Buy 2 Play.

The other banch will be the WoW / SWToR battle for subscription players that will begin to slowly die out ending most likely with these 2 games.

I would gladly pay a subscription for a Sandbox MMO, as I am now for EVE online. Its run by players, the deepest most complex game ever made, and the world is always in flux.  I believe in the future the only games to get away with subscriptions will be single sharded Sandbox MMO's like Perpetum and EVE.

They really are pushing this underwater stuff. I haven't played an MMO yet that I enjoyed the underwater combat in.

I also didn't see ANYTHING that would make this "more then a themepark". It either is or it isn't.

Originally posted by Kabaal

Originally posted by jondifool

Originally posted by Sain34

They said all this same stuff about SWG, then about WoW, then about WAR, then about Rift. GW2 is not going to be genre changeing, its just going to have all the same old stuff with maybe some new twists or polish on them. Games that truely defy convention have ALL failed miserably.

 We all know where you are coming from , and we have all (vets at least) been burned in our expectations! But on the other hand where have ArenaNet ever failed to deliver ?

They haven't really done anything other than guild wars and it's expansions. Cryptic is a prime example of why not to get your hopes up too much when a company has only released one good game, look how they turned out when they moved onto other projects.

 

But ArenaNet haven't really moved on to other projects. GW2 is basically what they wanted GW1 to be when they started the company, only with the money and technology to pull it off. It's the same world, the same lore, the same basic principles driving them. Heck, GW2 started off as an expansion to GW1, until they realised that the old game engine wasn't cut out to handle dynamic events. BY your own argument, there is no reason for ArenaNet to trip over their own feet.

I'm sorry.  It is still a themepark.  All they did was add a couple of new rides.  To me, from what they announced, it's still the same ol' same ol from before.  I wish them all the best and I hope the gamers that play enjoy themselves.  I just think the community is setting itself up for another WAR/AoC type of release.  To me, it's better to go into these games with very low expectations instead of all the hype and then get disappointed when it doesn't turn out as advertised.

I really hope this is the peak of themepark mmos. That way, theres nowhere else to go except taking those baby steps back into the sandbox.

Originally posted by Foomerang

I really hope this is the peak of themepark mmos. That way, theres nowhere else to go except taking those baby steps back into the sandbox.

The ONLY big developer out there that has anything resembling a sandbox in the works is SOE and it's only been hinted at when Smedley told us all to stay tuned in regards another sandbox gamesother than Planetside 2.  I'm not talking from small devs that might pull off an 8 bit sandbox game with mods and crap where servers are always being reset and that trash, but games with big money behind them that actually have a chance to see the light of day.

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Originally posted by Foomerang
I really hope this is the peak of themepark mmos. That way, theres nowhere else to go except taking those baby steps back into the sandbox.

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The ONLY big developer out there that has anything resembling a sandbox in the works is SOE and it's only been hinted at when Smedley told us all to stay tuned in regards another sandbox gamesother than Planetside 2.  I'm not talking from small devs that might pull off an 8 bit sandbox game with mods and crap where servers are always being reset and that trash, but games with big money behind them that actually have a chance to see the light of day.
 
 

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If you want to believe Smedley, go right ahead. ArcheAge is a themepark/sandbox big budget mmo that Im looking forward to most.

Originally posted by Foomerang

 

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Originally posted by PosterTroll

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Originally posted by Foomerang
I really hope this is the peak of themepark mmos. That way, theres nowhere else to go except taking those baby steps back into the sandbox.

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The ONLY big developer out there that has anything resembling a sandbox in the works is SOE and it's only been hinted at when Smedley told us all to stay tuned in regards another sandbox gamesother than Planetside 2.  I'm not talking from small devs that might pull off an 8 bit sandbox game with mods and crap where servers are always being reset and that trash, but games with big money behind them that actually have a chance to see the light of day.
 
 

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If you want to believe Smedley, go right ahead. ArcheAge is a themepark/sandbox big budget mmo that Im looking forward to most.

 

Arch what?

This game lost me with the anime-style art design of characters. Sure it's not a factor for many but was a deal breaker for me.

Originally posted by ignore_me

This game lost me with the anime-style art design of characters. Sure it's not a factor for many but was a deal breaker for me.

 

I think you have this art confused with another game's.  There is no hint of anime-style in GW2.

I am a bit disappointed to see ArenaNet following in the Blizzard tradition of granting access to selected guilds, already creating somewhat of an elitist's club before the game has even launched. Not everyone who plays cares to be part of a guild, big or otherwise.

ArenaNet, people are already excited about the game, you don't have to give special treatment to guilds and fansites to generate interest. Your best feedback is going to come from the people who just play the game, without having a major vested interest in it.

Love Guild Wars 1.   So, I am looking forward to gw2.  The wait is horrible, but still may be in my fovor as i will or should be able to get a new computer by the time of release.  Gw1 has become a little boring as people have vanished for a while.  Guilds are hard to hold together and starting one is impossible at this point.  I worry a bit about too much hype.  Like other mmos that took forever to come out.   Hope they dont lose the following.   Would love to see old friends again.  

looking forward to ARK and the old gang.  hope to see you all there .  ( Bru Tal Perception)

Oh, and if anyone knows who the original player named   Bru Tal is let them know i would like to purchase that name from them.  

I am quite interested in GW2 but it is a themepark, I dont see anything new that shows otherwise sorry :)

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by Myria

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 I believe that with Rift, the MMO community still hadn't learned their lesson.  The only thing that matters is gameplay footage, not slick trailers, not promises, not the articles on the website.  From August of last year until about December it was nearly impossible to actually find Rift gameplay footage on the internet.  It just wasn't there.  I did find this video on gametrailers http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-10-rift/703468 and it pretty much looks like the most boring thing humanly imaginable.  EDIT:  Oh, I wanted to add that this video has only 8700 views or so.  In my opinion, the info on the game was there but people were taken in by the great trailers they were doing and not looking for it. 

At exactly the same time, GW2 is showing off The Shatterer, a midlevel open world raid encounter that scales up in difficulty as 60-100 people are fighting it in the demos.  Rift released in March, we still don't even know when GW2 is coming out.  Rift completely phoned in the game with tired gameplay, one leveling path per faction, uninspired cities, endless kill X quests.  It wasn't until December and the negativity from the first couple beta events that they decided to go crazy and do 11th hour modifications to make the rifts and invasions more interesting in order to distract people from the rotten core.

GW2 isn't making promises, they don't even talk about anything unless it's already in the game and working.  And we have hours and hours of gameplay footage to look at of multiple leveling ranges, races, cities.  We'll certainly see more this summer as well.  GW2 is the real thing.  People who have done the research and known what to expect won't be disappointed at all.

That video (The Shatterer) didn't seem that impressive to me.  I am not here to bash the game or be a naysayer.... I actually hoping for both GW2 and SWTOR to be good games that we will keep me entertained for years to come.  The encounter in the video seemed like a giant zerg with little to no coordination or tactics.  It appeared that everyone was just spamming their attacks.  I know this may not be the case since we can only see one point of view in the video.  To be honest, this is one of my fears in the whole casual grouping sense of the encounters and the lack of the traditional defined roles that you get with the trinity.  I know these encounters are different in Rift, but Rift still relies on casual grouping as I like to call it and it always boiled down to a disorganized zerg which I honestly hate.

I plan on playing both GW2 and SW:ToR. I hope that neither end up being a disappointment like so many others. There are definitely some people on these forums that will go into deep/dark depression if they are the same ole same ole. I will never get my hopes up again for an MMO. I have been let down too many times in the past few years.