it will be a good memories in my heart . but don't worry there will be old public.

Some of you have these sympathetic posts. Remembering the good old days with tears in your eyes. Some talk how sad this ending is. Some even suggest the player based turned it's back on SOE after NGE. Got news for you, they should have! I am glad to hear this news SOE totally screwed players. Did you guys forget this? They ripped 3 years of work away from us with NGE never letting us know what they were planning to keep our money. I was a master creature handler/bio-engineer and master Jedi. If you played the game then you know how I took it up the ass with that as my main. 3 years of work gone upon log-in the morning NGE went live. I think it took me about an hour to close my account that day. I have defended SOE over the years because one of their games EQ2 is a good product but I will never support and have not supported SWG since NGE. I do not feel bad for current players since they have been warned. This should have come years ago.

I finally left EQ2 for Rift and will not be back. I will miss EQ2 and have good memories. The direction SOE seems to be heading with it's mmos does not interest me. So not only is this news about SWG an ending but my time with SOE is over and I do not see anything in the future to bring me back. Good luck SOE you have given me some good gaming memories but had you not put into place NGE I would still be playing only one mmo SWG. You also have given me my worst mmo experience ever NGE. If it was not for NGE I probably would not have played any of the mmos out in the since nge, that is how much I love SWG it had everything I wanted in an mmo. So no tears here over SWG's grave I dance on your remains with joy. It is about time you where buried deep never to see the light of day again!

Soe had something amazing. Yeah the game had bugs but, most of them were not game breaking if you did not ait there and whine about the few little broken things. I have played a lot of mmo's since galaxies and they all have bugs and they all have there issues but, the ones that survive look to the player base for answers.

 That was Sony's greatest FUBAR ignoreing the player base. I knew a lot of people I had so many people I dealt with regualrly pre-cu that I had filled friends list on 4 charactors in an attempt to keep track of them all, each and everyday those list were showing ALL people on ALL 4 friends list online. then rumurs of the cu emerged, The combat upgrade that was billed as a fix all. 

For months I talked to people, read forums, talked to people in game tring to get all the info I could and although Sony just kept saying it was what the players wanted I was unable to find a single person that wanted the CU, The forums were endless pages of objections to the CU, yet Sony kept insisting that the players wanted this. I never did find a post that said anything about these were the things wanted, even the most vocal whiners were suddenly defending the game and saing they did not want this, then the CU was pushed andyway despite the amazingly huge number of players that were opposed to it. with in a week or 2 my friends list all went dark and stayed that way, the remaining friends still logging in were easily sorted into one friends list on one toon with room to spare.

 These days it is hard to find people who were actually there pre-cu most that claim they were are actually confusing the NGE with the CU I know this because they have no clue as to what the Holo grind was, they have no idea of what the massive base bust battles were, there idea of massive base bust is maybe 20-40 people in total, they say things like "pre-cu I pwned in restuss" even though restuss as a pvp zone pre-cu did not exsist.

 Although I do agree with a earlier poster that most people reacted a bit to harshly after the CU the shear number of people that left speaks volumes as to the lvl of the mistake SOE made by ignoreing there player base.

 All the game needed pre-cu was tuning and some balanceing issues and the rest of it would have sorted it self out, not a complete rewrite and definatly not a complete rewrite in objection to the majority of the player base.

 No other game has the lvl of detailing in house decorateing or the ability to extensivly deversify your charactor not any where near pre-cu lvls. No other game has as good of a space flight sim. Was it perfect ? no. but, then I have found no game that is perfect and I doubt I ever will.

Originally posted by Roccprofit

Soe had something amazing. Yeah the game had bugs but, most of them were not game breaking if you did not ait there and whine about the few little broken things. I have played a lot of mmo's since galaxies and they all have bugs and they all have there issues but, the ones that survive look to the player base for answers.

 That was Sony's greatest FUBAR ignoreing the player base. I knew a lot of people I had so many people I dealt with regualrly pre-cu that I had filled friends list on 4 charactors in an attempt to keep track of them all, each and everyday those list were showing ALL people on ALL 4 friends list online. then rumurs of the cu emerged, The combat upgrade that was billed as a fix all. 

For months I talked to people, read forums, talked to people in game tring to get all the info I could and although Sony just kept saying it was what the players wanted I was unable to find a single person that wanted the CU, The forums were endless pages of objections to the CU, yet Sony kept insisting that the players wanted this. I never did find a post that said anything about these were the things wanted, even the most vocal whiners were suddenly defending the game and saing they did not want this, then the CU was pushed andyway despite the amazingly huge number of players that were opposed to it. with in a week or 2 my friends list all went dark and stayed that way, the remaining friends still logging in were easily sorted into one friends list on one toon with room to spare.

 These days it is hard to find people who were actually there pre-cu most that claim they were are actually confusing the NGE with the CU I know this because they have no clue as to what the Holo grind was, they have no idea of what the massive base bust battles were, there idea of massive base bust is maybe 20-40 people in total, they say things like "pre-cu I pwned in restuss" even though restuss as a pvp zone pre-cu did not exsist.

 Although I do agree with a earlier poster that most people reacted a bit to harshly after the CU the shear number of people that left speaks volumes as to the lvl of the mistake SOE made by ignoreing there player base.

 All the game needed pre-cu was tuning and some balanceing issues and the rest of it would have sorted it self out, not a complete rewrite and definatly not a complete rewrite in objection to the majority of the player base.

 No other game has the lvl of detailing in house decorateing or the ability to extensivly deversify your charactor not any where near pre-cu lvls. No other game has as good of a space flight sim. Was it perfect ? no. but, then I have found no game that is perfect and I doubt I ever will.

 Actually restus did exist pre-nge and pre-cu.  At that time it was a full city with a functioning space port.  In fact On intrepid server there was a small town just outside restus that housed a community of crafters.    Now  I do agree that restuss was not the pvp thing it is now, and I never understood why they felt the need to destroy the city other than nobody ever went there unless you were looking for a certain specific weapons maker.

I remember the holo grind,  and I remember the old bufs.  One would go to coronet in the space port and get mind buffed by an entertainer, get doctor buffed by a doctor,  then head out to my favorite grind spot the Tuscan bunker.  Not many folks came over there, At that time it was a great spot to farm force crystals.  I made a ton of cash sell them, and once in a while get a nice power crystall out of there.     After the cu well with the levels that stopped, because they nerfed the tuscan bunker, and the tuscan fort.  After the cu I could walk into the Tuscan fort unbuffed and clear the area and take out the executioner by myself.   

Then the NGE hit, by that time I had 1 holo grind jedi, and droid smith one one account, one village jedi/bh on the other account and the wife got cheated out of her jedi title by 100k worth of village points.    I watched as all my sliced lightning cannons turn to junk,  my anti decay cut turned into a repec kit.  I can go on and on.

I think so many folks now days have no clue how good the game was as.  Yes it was full of bugs what game is not.  But the cu nerfed things down,  the nge just killed them.

only thing i can say is FINALY, i played the game from pre cu till nge and the game became wors with every update they never should off changed it but then again its both there fault, i hope LA doesnt BLEEP up TOR in that way

"Now  I do agree that restuss was not the pvp thing it is now, and I never understood why they felt the need to destroy the city other than nobody ever went there unless you were looking for a certain specific weapons maker."

Earlier in WoW they destroyed a city and turned it into a regular event. True to form the people behind SWG thought it would be nifty to do the same.

SWG is a game that should have never released.  It was messed up before it was Launched, by Koster and his team.  The game was a mess.  Do people recall all of the database problems?  Corrupted inventories, corrupted characters, daily 4am restarts to prevent database corruption and server crashes... as one later dev explained, the code was millions of lines of uncommented spaghetti, nothing made sense or was found where it was supposed to be.  Space... JTL was hardcoded, with no management tools designed for it and until they hired in a wizard tools Dev... hm, I forget his name, but he created everything they're currently using to add content to the game, and made it possible for them to add some content to JTL.  But overall, the game was a code nightmare and several devs have complained over the years about it.

On one hand I am sad to see almost a decade of Star Wars gaming come to an end.  On the other, I hope that now that SOE no longer has the license and SWG is no longer a factor of competition for a new game, that LA will seek out another competent Dev shop to create another Galactic Civil War MMO.  The Old Republic is nothing more than fan fiction and it will never replace gaming in the Galactic Civil War.

That is what I will miss the most.

It was only a matter of time before this happened.  SOE killed the game years earlier and it is has just been scraping by since.

The really stupid thing is, they could have saved the game by backing out NGE, but they had to be stubborn idiots and let the game self destruct.  

God...i hope everyone involved in SWG's (lets let everyone be jedi) and CU and NGE severance package includes a kick in the nuts.

Although, they did get one thing right...the fans were passionate....we all passionatly hated SOE with the burning hatred of a 1000 suns for ruining the game 3 fold.

This isn't a tragedy...its a mercy killing.

RIP SWG...they....can't hurt you anymore now...

Originally posted by Valentina

I feel sorry for all the loyal SWG fans out there, cause I know there were still a good number of players. It's unfortunate they couldn't agree to keep the game running for them. it sucks to see all that time and work die off.

 

All of us who play any SOE games know fully well we'll be taking it up the butt at some point. SOE likes to screw their loyal subscribers.

Well, no rose colored glasses here though I will acknowledge that I did have great fun in SWG back in the day.

But my enjoyment really had nothing to do with combat, even though I WAS a combatant (smuggler).  SWG combat pretty much sucked in all of it's iterations.  But it was something to do.  *shrug*

What made the game great were the crafting and social systems.  In fact, I'm kind of surpirsed that no game since has even tried to mimic those features.

I've never ever seen another game with so much RP inside!  What other game can you stroll in to a bar or cantina and have it be a happening place?  With those party NPCs you could rent stuff like jukeboxes and andriods to run speeder races.  We had some great parties and events.  With fireworks too!

So, if you took those systems and layered a WoW clone on top, how would it do?

I might even play it. :)

Anyway, that's what I miss most.  If they came out with a better game built around systems like that, I'd forget about SWG quickly.

In the end, SWG was a game for RPers in my opinion.  The state of the rest of the game mattered, but not as much as a non-RPer would think.

SWG has been on life support since the NGE time.

players are starting to revolt over  dumbed down gameplay and hack and slash repition

I'm not playing any MMO's right now,, not because i dont have the money but because there isnt any games  that are interesting to to play

I thought conan was going to be a good game but it was another  failure

and then there was STAR TREK ONLINE   the only thing that riveled sony's NGE stupidity  has been  star trek online  dumbing down to a pathetic  joke  of repetitive  non-inspired   overinstanced CRAP  thats C-R-A-P  

when will these game developers quit making  games people dont want to play after even as little as a month.

I played star trek beta and it had 4 hour sessions and i couldnt even bear to play an entire session

Im looking for a deep interesting world and a variety of game play where otherplayers cant ruin your fun  (casual vs pvp)    I want a world that doesnt feel like an oversised arcade game.

in star wars you couldnt even smuggle cargo or passengers unless it was a misson

planet side was another  epic failure going some crack warped alternate dimention instead of a star ship troopers direction  when will sony ever learn  and fire  the idiots responcible for loosing so much money.

I am only surpised how long this abomination of a game lasted, it sucked from day one, and only got worse, and I played it for 4 years, only because of my love of star wars.. I shall dance in the streets on 12/15.. and sony does suck !!!!!

This is a genre I LOVE and me and my friend have recently found our way back to SWG, brought 2 or 3 people along for the ride...What? December 15th you say? FOREVER? Why not reduce the amount of servers or make it F2P or create a Pre-NGE/CU server, since that's what it sounds like the majority of actual players want to see anyways. Oh yeah that's right SOE/LA doesn't listen to their customers. Well I hope TOR doesn't suck.

Originally posted by Smokey67

 

^^ Wall of text award of 2011 goes to Smokey

Originally posted by King_Kumquat

I wonder if SOE will sell the engine? Or use it in a more effective matter?

I mean if anything they "should" be the top company in the business in regards for having tested what works and what doesn't work in MMORPG design.

 

They should, except for one glaring flaw: they never, ever learn from their mistakes.

What goes around comes around.

Let us just hope that BioWare/EA learn from SOE's mistakes.  Subscriptions will always drop months after a release... no matter how good a game.  There is no need to 'throw in the towel' on your game's design...tweak it a bit here and there, but don't just scrap it.  If it was good enough to go to production, then roll with it.  Add to it with advanced options and such...but do not just scrap it and expect the community to swallow it and buy into it as a new game set in the same world.

I have a lot of great memories from SWG.  My real life friends and I did a ton of stuff in this game.  But...yes the CU and NGE were the downfall.  Most can toss in the 'I told you so' grenades.... but it no longer matters.  An ERA has died within the gaming industry.

SWG had so much potential, but was sorely mis-developed and mis-managed.  I am a gamer.  And, in the end...and this is finally the end of SWG...an endless world of enjoyment, captivation, and immersion was bottled up and tossed into the void.

*plops down and stares at the vacant spot in the cantina where, seemingly just a few moments ago, that entertainer that was dancing to the electronic horns and the flashing strobes is no longer to be found....* 

*he begins humming that jazzy music that is now dimming into a faint echo.........*

Rest In Peace,  Star Wars Galaxies 

The thing everyone needs to remember is that the NGE was demanded of SOE by LucasArts.

SOE never really called the shots on SWG. The CU was requested by SOE to solve many problems with the original game. The exodus of the childish players over change paniced LA who insisted on SOE working on what would become the NGE long before giving the CU a chance.  One interesting note is that from game shutdown announcement to the shutdown is longer than the CU.

The early NGE was plagued by all the bugs and incomplete implementation of the NGE. It took nearly a year and a half for all of that to be resolved and the NGE to actually have in place what was intended for November 2005.

Mistakes were made during and after that. Most of the lead developers before the current one were way too busy with CYA to actually look at what needed fixing. The decision for many years that PvP would be the end game drove many more players away from SWG.

Another example that the developers regret is how BeastMaster was implemented and the split of Jedi into two professions. Many of the developers feel that the best solution would have been to make all of this based on seperate selectable professions and not through expertise. But it seems that LA would not approve adding new seperate professions.

The thing that all of the SWG haters and SW:TOR fans need to remember is that all of the changes in SWG that they hate were demanded and approved by LucasArts and LucasArts controls all of SW:TOR development just as they did the SWG development. SOE was the top MMORPG development company before the SWG contract and being forced to be the fall guy for the bad decisions that LucasArts made. One can only hope that Bioware does not suffer the same fate.

I did not start the game at the beginning but I did love the fixes in the CU. Some of the NGE was to be expected like Jedi as a starter profession. But much of it was not needed. I did leave for a bit while they fixed the NGE bugs but then returned and found a very enjoyable game. Right now I will be there when the game shuts down.

I feel that LucasArts is making a bad decision, but they have made it clear that they do not want anyone to be confused and sign up for SWG after they have sunk an estimated $150m+ into SW:TOR. From a business development standpoint to recover that investment LucasArts needs the players to have only one choise. The fear that players would start flocking to SWG tells me that both games co-existing is a real possibility and a real fear. I understand the anti-TOR smear campain far more than the anti-SWG one.

Well, I kept hoping, beyond hope, that eventually we would be going back to Pre-Cu, but if nothing else you could have atleast made SWG Free To Play. I still have characters I don't want to give up. If I can't have Pre-Cu atleast I could play them on FTP. That would have been something. Why not atleast TRY FTP before completely dumping it. Maybe listen one time to your players? This really just makes me sick. The one game with soooo much potential--gone. Nice.

Oh Solo boy, the blasters, the blasters are calling

From YT series to YT series, and down the Kashyyyk side

The summer's gone, and all the servers are closing

'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.

But come ye back when summer's in the meadow

Or when the Old Republic launchs and white with snow

'Tis I'll be here in sunshine or in shadow

Oh Solo boy, oh Solo boy, I love you so.