Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy

Originally posted by Nazgol

 

God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.

Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?

Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions.  I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.

Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.

Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.

You said Co-Rpg...

Originally posted by sidhaethe

By all means, DO THAT. No, seriously, TAKE IT.

You'll note that no-one here is claiming that Bioware sucks. It's only the lashing out of SW:TOR fans who have to fill this thread with negative (and spurious, and disingenuous) comments about their assumed competitor. It's only SW:TOR fans who are treating this as a zero-sum game.

Right, most of the SWTOR guys I know of are looking forward to both games, how many times do you see a GW2 fan try and belittle TOR in their "GW2 is going to be the bestest thing ever" posts?

How many TOR fans tear down GW2 in the TOR forums? How many TOR fans do you see roaming the GW2 forum, aside from those who are actually interested in both games? How many do you see starting these GW2 will pwn SWTOR threads about TOR?

The only thing the average TOR fan get's up in arms about is misinformation and doom saying. Which there has been an abundance of. Other than that, the constant whining for a SWG2.

Most will be the first to tell you maybe TOR just isn't what you're looking for. They're not the ones out trying to push their Idea of a good game on everyone else.

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.

Hmm. Personally I'd consider NWN an MORPG/CORPG in its tooling set capacity and usage, maybe the only player-run MMO game that exists

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

True, every broken clock can be right twice a day, just like any madman can say some words that sound right once in a while.

I don't make it a habit to daily listen to madmen for advice or wisdom though, and I'm even pretty cautious regarding people who do have that habit.

It really hurts my feelings to realize that even though you're reading our posts, you're not actually listening to any of us. :(

I'm listening, I'm only not regarding it all as advice or wisdom. Besides the fact that I didn't consider you a madman, but if you feel inclined, just tell me where I should send the men in white to, consider them a delivery service from me, they'll have a nice jacket for you with long sleeves, no thanks needed, it's a gift

(and nice one on the sneaky associative link btw, took me a 2nd time of reading it before I saw it )

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy

Originally posted by Nazgol

 

God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.

Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?

Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions.  I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.

Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.

Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.

You said Co-Rpg...

No, but if he keeps changing the rules often enough, he may be able to win the argument!

Originally posted by Snaylor47

1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6

 

Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.

lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork.  Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon.  in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.

btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.

Originally posted by Nazgol

Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.

Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Originally posted by Verterdegete

Casey Schreiner from G4 (The MMO Report): "I think that Guild Wars2 is going to be the next big MMO. I think it's gonna beat SWTOR. I think it's gonna be a better game than SWToR... I think with SWToR you're gonna see a lot of people sign up initially,, they're gonna find out that it's a well made game in SW universe that doesn't offer a lot of innovation, and when they see what GW is doing they're gonna be shocked."

 

Source: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/pos...mned-edition/\

It starts at 28:00.

 

 

Can't say i disagree with Casey.

Hahahahahaha! That's a really funny impression of someone completely out of touch with reality.

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.

Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.

You said Co-Rpg...

You ignored my other criteria though! But nevermind!

Originally posted by Malickie

How many TOR fans tear down GW2 in the TOR forums? How many TOR fans do you see roaming the GW2 forum, aside from thsoe who are interested in both games? How many do you see starting these GW2 will pwn SWTOR threads about TOR?

The only thing the average TOR fan get's up in arms about is misinformation and doom saying. Which there has been an abundance of. Other than that, the constant whining for a SWG2.

Most will be the first to tell you maybe TOR just isn't what you're looking for. They're not the ones out trying to push their Idea of a good game on everyone else.

Seconded

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Snaylor47

1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6

 

Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.

And you wouldn't be wrong but is it fun though? Isn't that the REAL question?

yes, but I think the real question is this.  Is it fun to realize your group wiped because you got feared off of a cliff, something that wouldn't have happened if you just learned to either avoid cliffs or stun the necromancers lots?  I think it is fun to have to use actual strategy to win a battle.  The action combat just makes it more fun than it already is...dodge...1...0

Originally posted by grimm6th

Originally posted by Snaylor47

1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6

 

Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.

lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork.  Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon.  in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.

 

btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.

lol Don't even get me started on the Engineer... seriously, what the hell is that class even doing in this game?  I honestly thought it was a continuation of their April Fools joke... Sadly, I was wrong.

Originally posted by mmonooblet

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

 

Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.

Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.

You said Co-Rpg...

No, but if he keeps changing the rules often enough, he may be able to win the argument!

Did you not see the part in yellow? Anyway off-topic discussion, is off-topic.

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Nazgol

Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?

So the correct answer is to stoop to the level of your lowest competitor?  :(

Do the same thing I do when reading crazy posts against GW2 from SW:ToR people!  Pretend that they recently suffered a very tragic death in the family and the emotional upset and loss has caused them to temporarily lose their senses.

Heh a voice of reason.  Look, I have criticism of SWTOR as well, they probably should have waited on the space portion for example, playable alien races etc.. But you mention one criticism about GW2 and people have a cow.

Originally posted by mmonooblet

Originally posted by grimm6th

Originally posted by Snaylor47

1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6

 

Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.

lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork.  Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon.  in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.

 

btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.

lol Don't even get me started on the Engineer... seriously, what the hell is that class even doing in this game?  I honestly thought it was a continuation of their April Fools joke... Sadly, I was wrong.

I kinda felt the same at first.  Now I love it.

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by mmonooblet

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Nazgol

Originally posted by Zeroxin

 

Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.

Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.

Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.

You said Co-Rpg...

No, but if he keeps changing the rules often enough, he may be able to win the argument!

Did you not see the part in yellow? Anyway of-topic discussion, is off-topic.

He's trying to imply that GW1 can be "considered an MMO". lol  Even ArenaNet isn't daft enough to try that.

Originally posted by grimm6th

Originally posted by mmonooblet

Originally posted by grimm6th

Originally posted by Snaylor47

1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6

 

Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.

lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork.  Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon.  in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.

 

btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.

lol Don't even get me started on the Engineer... seriously, what the hell is that class even doing in this game?  I honestly thought it was a continuation of their April Fools joke... Sadly, I was wrong.

I kinda felt the same at first.  Now I love it.

I was also dissapointed because it is mostly likely that the mesmer will now be the last class released, and I was really hoping for something along the lines of a Monk... *sniffles* I just want a monk, is that too much to ask?

Originally posted by Malickie

Right, most of the SWTOR guys I know of are looking forward to both games, how many times do you see a GW2 fan try and belittle TOR in their "GW2 is going to be the bestest thing ever" posts?

How many TOR fans tear down GW2 in the TOR forums? How many TOR fans do you see roaming the GW2 forum, aside from those who are actually interested in both games? How many do you see starting these GW2 will pwn SWTOR threads about TOR?

The only thing the average TOR fan get's up in arms about is misinformation and doom saying. Which there has been an abundance of. Other than that, the constant whining for a SWG2.

Most will be the first to tell you maybe TOR just isn't what you're looking for. They're not the ones out trying to push their Idea of a good game on everyone else.

First of all, it's like Canada Vs. Americans.  Americans spend a lot less time making fun of Canadians, because generally speaking, they're off the radar of consciousness (The WHO?  Oh yeah, aren't they part of France?)

Second of all, do you REALLY want me to make a list?  They're there.  Yeah, there are GW2 fans bashing SW:ToR =and I will never deny this=.

... but there are lots of SW:ToR fans bashing merrily away at GW2 as well. :/  I'm not going to make a list of these people, because that would be WEIRD, and I don't really hate them or anything, I'm not trying to start some kind of crazy hit-list, but let's just say at least four of them are posting in this very thread. :)  You can find them in nearly every GW2 thread that mentions good features of GW2, and most of the time you can even find them before anybody makes any comparison to SW:ToR.  Fandom is full of CRAZY people.  I cannot deny this for almost any fandom.  I have been an import game collector, into martial arts, into anime/manga, and other fandoms as well, and let me be the first to say that if you don't have crazy haters in your fandom, you're not a real fandom, you're just a collection of boring people who like something.

You know, there are plenty of GW2 fans who aren't saying anything bad about SW:ToR.  I'm one of them.  Maybe you haven't met me before.  Nice to meet you.  (Well, I mean other than the fact that SW:ToR is obviously created by THE DEVIL.  ... but it's a video game.  They're all created by the devil.)

Hehehe those vs threads gather some heat.

I personaly will side with gw2 here, Bioware overall have been godsend when it comes to creating games i truly enjoy.

But DA2 was a hugh disapointment, it was not just subpar it was down right awfull. But they are quite busy with TOR so i hope it was theyr B-team that built DA2.

As for TOR itself i cant say im that stoked, i will buy it when it release but we will see where it goes from there.

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Originally posted by Nazgol

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Originally posted by Meowhead

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Originally posted by Nazgol


Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?

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So the correct answer is to stoop to the level of your lowest competitor?  :(
Do the same thing I do when reading crazy posts against GW2 from SW:ToR people!  Pretend that they recently suffered a very tragic death in the family and the emotional upset and loss has caused them to temporarily lose their senses.

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Heh a voice of reason.  Look, I have criticism of SWTOR as well, they probably should have waited on the space portion for example, playable alien races etc.. But you mention one criticism about GW2 and people have a cow.

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Originally posted by grimm6th

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by Snaylor47

1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6

 

Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.

And you wouldn't be wrong but is it fun though? Isn't that the REAL question?

yes, but I think the real question is this.  Is it fun to realize your group wiped because you got feared off of a cliff, something that wouldn't have happened if you just learned to either avoid cliffs or stun the necromancers lots?  I think it is fun to have to use actual strategy to win a battle.  The action combat just makes it more fun than it already is...dodge...1...0

You just made me add "Strategy" to my list of over used words on MMORPG.com. A lot with:

Innovation 

Immersion

Thats about it really.

Is it more strategic to stand on a hill in GW2 or just common sense with the game mechanics? I think at the end of the day the fights in GW2 will simple boil down to the most effifant (Spelling) like all other MMOs.