Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by TUX426

Just to finish off any hope that a petition would be of any use, please read the following:

Regarding the Star Wars Galaxies petitions, we first want to thank everyone for taking the time to organize such an effort. As always, we appreciate your feedback, and I can assure you with 100% confidence that your feelings have been heard.

No one is more disappointed than we are to cancel Star Wars Galaxies; however, we are confident that this was the only decision possible. This was not an easy decision to make; Sony Online Entertainment and Lucas Arts spent months deliberating, and in the end we had to make the hard choice. We are extremely proud of the ground we broke with the launch of SWG, its growth and evolution since launch, and most especially, the community.

We would ask you take this opportunity to enjoy SWG as long as possible and participate in the game ending event this December.  Thank you again for your dedication to Star Wars Galaxies and we hope your final memories are enjoyable.

May the force always be with you.

Linda "Brasse" Carlson

Director, Global Community Relations

That is what I bet SOE were hoping people will think and to stop it, but SWG players are pushing it even more after that!

Now they are looking into legal manouevres

Such as?

I'm not sure there's anything you can do "legally" lol. APB shut down, Tabula Rasa, MxO, Chronicles of Spellborn, etc...seriously, what possible "legal manuvers" could you possibly be holding out hope for?

Im a precu swg vet, but I remember what it was like to lose a game I loved, so I signed for all those still playing who love the game as it is.

I signed lots of petitions when they foisted they NGE on us, but they did nothing.  Maybe this will help but I doubt it.  Cheers!

LOL...petition..LOL

no, really why would they respond to a petiton?

lets say they get 5 times as many people to sign it more than they have subsriptions. What does that tell them?... Nothing!

The only way it would ever stand a chance of continuing to operate, would be for a massive influx of new subscriptions, that make them see the ability to make future profits.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by TUX426

Just to finish off any hope that a petition would be of any use, please read the following:

Regarding the Star Wars Galaxies petitions, we first want to thank everyone for taking the time to organize such an effort. As always, we appreciate your feedback, and I can assure you with 100% confidence that your feelings have been heard.

No one is more disappointed than we are to cancel Star Wars Galaxies; however, we are confident that this was the only decision possible. This was not an easy decision to make; Sony Online Entertainment and Lucas Arts spent months deliberating, and in the end we had to make the hard choice. We are extremely proud of the ground we broke with the launch of SWG, its growth and evolution since launch, and most especially, the community.

We would ask you take this opportunity to enjoy SWG as long as possible and participate in the game ending event this December.  Thank you again for your dedication to Star Wars Galaxies and we hope your final memories are enjoyable.

May the force always be with you.

Linda "Brasse" Carlson

Director, Global Community Relations

That is what I bet SOE were hoping people will think and to stop it, but SWG players are pushing it even more after that!

Now they are looking into legal manouevres

What? 

SOE has shown for years that they have no trouble ignoring player protests, online petitions and other organized player complaints.   What do people think SOE is fearing from an online petition? 

The irony is that after so many years of telling people to leave when they complained, players are now trying to rally support to save the game.  Sorry, but those efforts are well over half a decade to late and people should be thankful that SWG somehow made it as long as it did in the condition it was in.  

I always see people say, "Oh it was so much better PreNGE or PreCU".  Honestly, I never enjoyed the combat in SWG in any of it's forms.  The mechanics in this game have always been completely dreadful, clunky and glitchy as hell.  The only thing that was accomplished with the CU was to add an infinite number ouf exploits to the game.  That wasn't enough; so, they gave it the NGE salad toss and threw an immeasurable amount of bugs on top of all of the exploits and outrageous partical effects.  This game was doomed to fail whether it got CU/NGE'd or not.

PreCU the only way to survive was to roll TKM or some other form of melee combat composite clone; because, face it, ranged was virtually useless.  That to me sacked a lot of the freedom that should have been available in a sandbox game.  The only thing people really had left to lean on outside of the boring ass combat, that people avoided like the plague, was to take part in the flowing community.  When CU hit though, it pretty much plundered the community like an enema.  Anyone with any sense left the game and ran for the hills to avoid the slowly rising water that eventually came to smother all of the remaining inhabitants.

No, this game does NOT need to be saved.  It need's to be put down like a horse that had all of it's bones crushed.

Let's petition to burn any remaining copy of the game in existence!  Let this never happen again!

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by TUX426

Just to finish off any hope that a petition would be of any use, please read the following:

Regarding the Star Wars Galaxies petitions, we first want to thank everyone for taking the time to organize such an effort. As always, we appreciate your feedback, and I can assure you with 100% confidence that your feelings have been heard.

No one is more disappointed than we are to cancel Star Wars Galaxies; however, we are confident that this was the only decision possible. This was not an easy decision to make; Sony Online Entertainment and Lucas Arts spent months deliberating, and in the end we had to make the hard choice. We are extremely proud of the ground we broke with the launch of SWG, its growth and evolution since launch, and most especially, the community.

We would ask you take this opportunity to enjoy SWG as long as possible and participate in the game ending event this December.  Thank you again for your dedication to Star Wars Galaxies and we hope your final memories are enjoyable.

May the force always be with you.

Linda "Brasse" Carlson

Director, Global Community Relations

That is what I bet SOE were hoping people will think and to stop it, but SWG players are pushing it even more after that!

Now they are looking into legal manouevres

 Well they have to sue Lucas Arts and good luck with that, hes the 900 pound gorrila in the room and it is not going to happen. It is his license to do with as he pleases.  Now with the other game comming online in the next few month it was best to put swg down with the kill shot.  It dead jim and needs to be.

I'd like to see such a lawsuit be filed, just to read the rediculous attempt to force two companies to sign an agreement to continue to produce a product that very few people want, and that neither company wants to continue to provide because they don't expect said product to be profitable due to another product using the license coming at some point in the near future.

After that, it would be fun to read about the lawyer who filed the lawsuit being disbarred for filing such an outrageously frivolous suit, with no backing by any contract law anywhere in the world.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=1223723

http://venturebeat.com/2011/06/29/swg-sony-lawsuit-class-action/

Page has now been removed, but looked like they did it and got pawned

They also now say that there will be protests at Fan Faire, with 5000 strong, and even GMs of SWG are pitching in to try and save SWG

They really should just give the game one more year, and live up their statement that bothe games could have co-existed. Shutting it down now, with a large number of players (large for a shutdown) on it is stupid, and with the community of SWG, they will make a lot more trouble too. I would not be surprised if they spammed hate messages in game of TOR after its launch, grief other players of try and get the servers to crash.

It is putting me off being there at launch, epsecially around Dec 15th onwards. Hopefully by about mid 2012 it will have all died down, but then if they went to shut down the game the end of 2012 when people left the game willingly, none of this will be.

I have read more posts people saying that they are no longer bothering with SOE or LA games including TOR, than people still willing to play TOR

There is a new article up now.  From reading it, it sounds like some of the more militant SWG crowd contacted this organization and basically "trolled" them into thinking they wanted to save SWG.  That's my theory on it.

Haven't heard anything about a Fan Faire protest yet or about GM's getting involved in anything.

not sure if this can be advertised since i haven't seen it mentioned on the forums, so please delete this message if it can't be, but there is a emulator of SWG pre cu/nge that is running. why hasn't anyone mentioned this before so people can stop trolling?

It looks like that post about Fan Fair was removed by the mods now too.

The other thing I fear with this now is that LA have not really learned anything with the NGE. and would be willing to do something similar to TOR in the not too distant future. SOE has learned this fact but I do not think LA has

They just show that they do not care or respect their players, and the nonsense will not stop with SWG.  All these years of building it all up now destroyed and nothing to show for it, to go through this again with TOR - I don't think so. If they let TOR go live and then shutdown SWG afterwards, I may have cared enough for SWTOR to carry on with it, and let SWG go, but not now, I don't care one bit about SWTOR. All I see is one big money grabbing game, and having your game play being dictated by how LA wants you to play, and I no longer viewing it as an enjoyable game to play.

If they released KOTOR 3 on console I would still get that as long as the content is on disc and play it offline, in 5 / 10/ 20 /30 / as long as I am alive years.

If they let SWG live on, and shut it down when it becomes truly dead, then will gain a whole load of trust

The closing of SWG had nothing to do with TOR. SWG has been bleeding subs for quite awhile and it was only a matter of time before it got closed down. It doesn't matter that it has more subs than some other failed games. The fact that an MMORPG based on Star Wars has so few subs and has never really been a major player in the MMORPG market is the reason for its cancellation.

My heart goes out to anyone that started playing in 2006 or afterwards. For years you have had to deal with a bunch of bitter people who blame you for playing a game that they consider an abomination and are now dancing for joy at the game being shut down at your expense. Just be comforted by the fact that your game lasted longer than theirs did and the version you're playing is more benefiting the IP than the POS version that they have fought for years to bring back. ;)

Thousands of Accounts Suddenly Cried Out in Terror and Were Suddenly Silenced.

It also looks like history repeats itself once again in the SWG Universe, it's unfortunate, however, I still blame the frontman at the time of PreCU, Smedley and Torres.

They took SWG into a direction that the game wasn't even constructed for, because of greed and jealousy of what WoW was accomplishing at the time. Me being a fan of the old school SWG, I believe it things went different and not introducing the NGE garbage that was forced on us, SWG would still be around and one of the NON-Linear mmo's out there today with EvE.

I still can't figure out why in the HELL SOE hasn't fired this tool. His track record absolutely SUCKS for retaining mmo's.

Ok, I vented... whew..

No point let it die I say as it will anyway once TOR hits the shops...

Originally posted by ktanner3

The closing of SWG had nothing to do with TOR. SWG has been bleeding subs for quite awhile and it was only a matter of time before it got closed down. It doesn't matter that it has more subs than some other failed games. The fact that an MMORPG based on Star Wars has so few subs and has never really been a major player in the MMORPG market is the reason for its cancellation.

My heart goes out to anyone that started playing in 2006 or afterwards. For years you have had to deal with a bunch of bitter people who blame you for playing a game that they consider an abomination and are now dancing for joy at the game being shut down at your expense. Just be comforted by the fact that your game lasted longer than theirs did and the version you're playing is more benefiting the IP than the POS version that they have fought for years to bring back. ;)

Of course the reason it is being cancelled is to do with TOR. They said the reasons are not populations, as have been steady for a while, and they just said that now is the time to close. That is no reason to shut it down. Before the ashut down announcemet there were 4 heavy servers, and the game has never been better. Now, is certainly not the time, and the dates of the closure are lining up with TOR. If it was not to do with TOR, then they could have done it any time.

Just because you gave up on the game and is regarded a POS does not mean it dead to others

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

SWG needs to last as long as it can, and LA needs to live up to its comment of both MMOs co-existing.

Even those who do not like SWG, should still sign the petition to ensure LA do not do another NGE with TOR, as if they get to reverse the decision of SWG closing, they will think twice about doing anything to annoy the players again. SWG staying active will not hurt you, but LA doing another NGE on TOR will.

It's probably a good thing anyway.. its not good to have 2 games of the same lore so to speak.. since SWG is 8 years old. it's about time anyway.. although if they had some pre-NGE servers i'd play it over ToR

Everquest and Everquest 2 are still running OK. SWG pops > EQ1.

Square Enix kept FF XI going after the new MMO last year

Phantasy Star Online on Xbox did not cancelled straight away when PSU was released

etc etc

only LAs ruthless busniness practices are a result to all these stupid moves. They were the ones that tarnished SOEs good name, and now they are going to ruin Bioware too

So no it is not a good thing, as SWG was not quite ready for closure and its premature closing will just add unnecessary resentment towards TOR, putting people off it.

If they let it live on until there was only one server at medium or light, then it would have been accepted, but SWG is unique and one of its kind. There will be a tonne of MMOs in WOW clothing but there will only be one game like SWG, so the closing of it, AT THIS TIME, is hard to swallow

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Originally posted by naraku209
It's probably a good thing anyway.. its not good to have 2 games of the same lore so to speak.. since SWG is 8 years old. it's about time anyway.. although if they had some pre-NGE servers i'd play it over ToR

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Originally posted by ktanner3
The closing of SWG had nothing to do with TOR. SWG has been bleeding subs for quite awhile and it was only a matter of time before it got closed down. It doesn't matter that it has more subs than some other failed games. The fact that an MMORPG based on Star Wars has so few subs and has never really been a major player in the MMORPG market is the reason for its cancellation.
My heart goes out to anyone that started playing in 2006 or afterwards. For years you have had to deal with a bunch of bitter people who blame you for playing a game that they consider an abomination and are now dancing for joy at the game being shut down at your expense. Just be comforted by the fact that your game lasted longer than theirs did and the version you're playing is more benefiting the IP than the POS version that they have fought for years to bring back. ;)

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Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ktanner3

The closing of SWG had nothing to do with TOR. SWG has been bleeding subs for quite awhile and it was only a matter of time before it got closed down. It doesn't matter that it has more subs than some other failed games. The fact that an MMORPG based on Star Wars has so few subs and has never really been a major player in the MMORPG market is the reason for its cancellation.

My heart goes out to anyone that started playing in 2006 or afterwards. For years you have had to deal with a bunch of bitter people who blame you for playing a game that they consider an abomination and are now dancing for joy at the game being shut down at your expense. Just be comforted by the fact that your game lasted longer than theirs did and the version you're playing is more benefiting the IP than the POS version that they have fought for years to bring back. ;)

Of course the reason it is being cancelled is to do with TOR. They said the reasons are not populations, as have been steady for a while, and they just said that now is the time to close. That is no reason to shut it down. Before the ashut down announcemet there were 4 heavy servers, and the game has never been better. Now, is certainly not the time, and the dates of the closure are lining up with TOR. If it was not to do with TOR, then they could have done it any time.

Just because you gave up on the game and is regarded a POS does not mean it dead to others

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

SWG needs to last as long as it can, and LA needs to live up to its comment of both MMOs co-existing.

Even those who do not like SWG, should still sign the petition to ensure LA do not do another NGE with TOR, as if they get to reverse the decision of SWG closing, they will think twice about doing anything to annoy the players again. SWG staying active will not hurt you, but LA doing another NGE on TOR will.

@Ktanner

Just one example of how the IP has been turned into something of a joke.

@superniceguy

Lucas Arts can no more "force" a NGE on Bioware than it could on SOE.  SOE paid for the license.  They funded the development of the game.  They got approval for everything that was in the game already.  They cannot force SOE to spend millions of dollars to redesign the game for a 3rd time.  They cannot force SOE to throw away millions of dollars they invested in working on the combat upgrade.  If, and that is a huge if, Lucas Arts did force SOE to make the NGE they could be held legally responsible for the tens of millions of dollars SOE lost each year due to the massive drop in subscribers.  Including damage to their brand name.   So lets please stop with blaming Lucas Arts for forcing SOE to do something they have a long track record of doing already.

Also, just because SWG has had a STEADY population, does not mean it has had a HEALTHY or PROFITABLE population.  There are plenty of reasons to shut it down.

• Neither company wants to deal with the black stain this game has had on their reputation
• The game isn't generating enough revenue to justify wasting the IP on SWG for several more years
• SOE just gave up trying to make it work
• SWTOR is going to be a polished game with lots of content.  Something SWG has never and will never be.  It will take a good number of the already too few players from SWG

I can assure you that SWG has been in much better shape than it was in a few days ago.  Much much much better.

SWG is closing, because it isn't a viable product anymore.  If you were SOE, would you pay a big sum for the license to run this game with SWTOR coming out in the near future?  Do you think they have the extra money to throw around to try to save some dead 8 year old game that is the pinnacle example of what not to do with an mmo? 

Almost any other company would have shut SWG down back in 2006 (or reverted the changes, but that is another topic).   SWG players should be tripping over themselves to thank SOE for even keeping the game alive and throwing it a bone every once in a while.

A petition isn't going to save the game.  SOE has shown far to many times that they do not care what their customers say.  The decision is made and people need to accept it.  SWG has lasted longer than it should have. 

SWG closes to clear the path for NGE 2.0 there is nothing anyone can do about it, the petition will not change anything.