TOR...the most expensive game ever made. Bioware is trying to act like TOR is the next WoW. Not going to happen. Even if they sell one-million plus copies they won't get close to their supposed compeition.

The only ones that I think will fail hard are Tera and maybe TSW, although, I hope TSW does well. Bluehole is pushing way too hard on the "action-packed combat." Combat is one of the things I care about least in an MMO. I have worries about TSW because it's a Funcom game, but at least they're doing things differently from the rest of the pack.

Originally posted by Zookz1

The only ones that I think will fail hard are Tera and maybe TSW, although, I hope TSW does well. Bluehole is pushing way too hard on the "action-packed combat." Combat is one of the things I care about least in an MMO. I have worries about TSW because it's a Funcom game, but at least they're doing things differently from the rest of the pack.

Exactly! I hate how theyre shoving "action-packed!" in every single thing that it just feels like theyre shoving it down our throats -.-  Couldnt they at least talk about something else?  I thought action packd combat was great! The first 10 times I heard it but then every single interview its "Action packed this action packed that did we mension that this game is an actionpacked game???" UGH!

In 2012 when these 4 major players release they will all have decent initial success due to the PR machines blasting in our ears throughout this year, my guess is:

TOR will without a doubt rake in the box sales with the big brand name and loved developer leading the way and will be a fun game in the short run with an excellent storyline but the stale gameplay will likely grow old to many fast but the game in all likelyhood will still be a major success...

GW2 will also rake in the box sales and continue to make box sales when the others are winding down, this game is the no brainer pick for success as it brings some new innovation to a stale genre and is a B2P game by a trusted developer so every gamer will want it even if its just their side game..mega success here if the game catches fire..

TSW if there is a way for funcom to fudge it they will, i have my eyes all over this game but it is my early favorite to be the biggest flop of 2012 but stay tuned to see if they can make a comeback in 2014 after the bugs are fixed and the game goes freemium..

TERA when things start falling off in TOR and TSW both TERA and GW2 will be the major benifactors i believe this game has a lot of potential but could get buried by the others early on but will have moderate success regardless...

ARCHEAGE though the western version wont likely make it into the 2012 fray if it could prove to hurt everyones bottomline if it does, this game has a lot of potential..

Originally posted by Kyleran
Biggest disappointment will be tha most of these new titles won't launch this year, one maybe two at the most.

Going to have to agree with this too.

SWTOR for sure...a gazillion players in the first 3 months, crickets after that...

The Mayan calendar didn't actually end in 2012 but actually 2011. The world ends and we never get to see what happens to these games.

What? I thought you said you wanted a negative prediction?

Originally posted by Sagasaint

SWTOR for sure...a gazillion players in the first 3 months, crickets after that...

Thats not a negative prediction! Crickets after the 1st or 2nd month will be better!

Originally posted by Zeroxin

The Mayan calendar didn't actually end in 2012 but actually 2011. The world ends and we never get to see what happens to these games.

 

 

What? I thought you said you wanted a negative prediction?

Lawl! XD

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Ugh...Does this mean Ill die without ever having to finish college? FAIL! !@#$ you system and !@#$ you armageddon!

Out of all of these the only one I see has having the potiental of a major flop is Tera if we only count US subscribers.  A combination of it being way too Eastern and a ridiculously long localization time that could potentially throw it into a mass of big name competitors (GW2, SW:TOR, TSW) could prevent this from catching on.  That said I doubt it will "flop", I don't think any of these games on the list will flop.  They might not meet expectations (I see SW:TOR especially disappointing a lot of people), but they aren't going to flop, just like Age of Conan couldn't really be considered a flop.  Archeage may suffer similar problems, but I think it has enough sandbox elements to be a cult classic amongst the sandbox crowd (especially with CCP losing loads of fans and not many good sandbox options left).

FFXIV is still struggling and I'm pretty sure that game is either going to go F2P or be a huge flop for Square Enix, so if we still count titles from last year I see FFXIV as being the biggest flop this year.  Expecting a continuing loss of subscribers and SE is attempting to revamp many systems which could also cause many of their current subscribers to leave too.  I don't see much chance of it recovering, it's just not a good MMO.

I realize this thread is suppose to be negative, but I just don't see any of these being flops.  2011 (and 12) is going to be a big year for MMOs with lots of great options for fans of the genre.  Even if a few companies somehow manage a colossal screw up (which from the looks of all the games currently, isn't going to happen) I think the new elements they are bringing to the genre are going to keep them retaining a reasonable number of subscribers.

  This whole site is a negativity thread.  Who cares about mine, his/her, your opinion.  Let people play the game.  That is the main reason the mmo genre is so iffy.  Constant "WoW, clone!  WoW, clone!  CoD is a WoW clone because it has classes!  WoW clone!"  

  If you don't think it's that bad then just keep reading.

Originally posted by dageeza

TERA when things start falling off in TOR and TSW both TERA and GW2 will be the major benifactors i believe this game has a lot of potential but could get buried by the others early on but will have moderate success regardless...

If I were in the true spirit of negativity, I would guess that TERA would be one of our first flops. After people thoroughly game the political system and turn griefing onto an entire new level. ξ

Hellgate London reduex or the APB reduex. One or both of those or the LOTRO expansion Isenguard. The rest of the games will make big enough box sales to stay afloat by inertia for at least six months.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Hellgate London reduex or the APB reduex. One or both of those or the LOTRO expansion Isenguard. The rest of the games will make big enough box sales to stay afloat by inertia for at least six months.

Why LOTRO's expansion?

I'm not as attentive to LOTRO, but they seemed to be doing alright with what they have. ξ

If had to pick one, than it would be Tera, as someone said with the political system.  With the ability to be anonymous, people will show their true colors and make it their mission to ruin other people's fun as fully and totally they can, oh and hearing that it didn't so hot in Korea and since the Eastern games havent done so well in the West, it not doing well at their target demographic, I question if it will flop.  Still, im not psychic, so I don't know which will flop.

1. I really know nothing about the EVE situation, but seeing that a cash shop is involved I don't think it'll go over very well.

2. I think SWTOR will do good but not as good as Bioware is hoping. It's got the Bioware fanboys and star wars fanboys backing it up, but it's also looking to be more of the same. Too hard to judge imho.

3. Hard to tell. I think GW2 is going to be a total let down. I don't think it'll deliver anything that's being expected of it. Buuuut...the GW fanboys are blindy in love with the game, so even though it truely doesn't deliver I think they're going to tell themselves that it does and love the game anyways. Either way ArenaNet will make out like bandits because they're pretty much guaranteed 2 million sales in the first month.

4. Don't know much about TSW other than the fact it has a lot of high expectations from it's fans. So we're probably looking at some disappointment

5. I know nothing of Tera other than the obvious.

6. Again, pretty much anything with a lot of hype and expectation will disappoint.

7. ^^^ See above

Originally posted by Kendane

If had to pick one, than it would be Tera, as someone said with the political system.  With the ability to be anonymous, people will show their true colors and make it their mission to ruin other people's fun as fully and totally they can, oh and hearing that it didn't so hot in Korea and since the Eastern games havent done so well in the West, it not doing well at their target demographic, I question if it will flop.  Still, im not psychic, so I don't know which will flop.

Tera already released in Korea and didn't do well? Man I've missed a lot....

I think TERA will probably be a non-event. It's a shame, I'm looking forward to trying it, but after the cool reception in Korea, and the lack of much news about it here in the West, I just don't see it being a major player any longer.

I think GW will do ok. I don't know that it can live up to the hype, but I don't think it matters, since they don't need subscription revenue. They just need that initial box sale, and I think it will be a good enough game to carry forward well enough on any subsequent for-sale expansions.

TSW and AA - I don't have enough information on them. I suspect it will be similar to TERA. They have the capability to stand out, but that's entirely dependent on them introducing some really fresh and provocative game play and ideas to a mostly stagnant genre. If any of them can get some traction, they may be a surprise breakout, but I don't think either has enough hype behind them to be a huge letdown either.

I still have my doubts about Rift. It has done fairly well so far, but it's advertising relies on it being "Not WoW", and you can only hinge your identity on another IP for so long before people just want to see who you really are. If Rift can keep players active and keep pushing content to keep them engaged, it could stay a major player - otherwise it's still a very shakey proposition and could very well end up tanking yet.

I think Bioware/EA has a lot riding on TOR. If anything makes it as the "biggest flop" it will be this title. It probably has the biggest development budget, it probably has among the largest advertising budgets once it nears launch. It's the first MMO from Bioware (who has had great success with it's single-player RPG's to date). And Bioware isn't the only parent to this child: it also has to satisfy EA and LA. EA has been ~very~ greedy lately with things like DLC and pushing games out prior to their really being ready. LA has been busy behind the scenes, but with their involvement in SWG and it's history, has proven to be not-silent partner in these types of endeavors.

I'm going to bet on TOR being the biggest flop, simply because it has the most riding on it. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and Bioware hasn't really had a flop yet, so I think they are due for the swing-and-a-miss, especially if EA or LA starts to push them in a direction they aren't comfortable going, and they have to compromise on the game direction.

If anything, FFXIV has shown me that no matter how much hype a game may have, no matter how many gameplay videos you watch, no matter what info is leaked, it can still be a total unmitigated disaster. Don't believe anything about any unreleased game until you get the chance to try it for yourself. TOR, and every other game mentioned in this thread, could do perfectly well despite all my (and our) naysaying - and to be truthful, I hope they do. I'm tired of the sense of failure and "been there done that" in the genre lately.

I am saying GW2 will be the flop. For me, it as always kind of boring, and I really can't understand the hype that it is generating. Sure, it looks ok, but the first one didn't impress me.

In all honestly, nothing up and coming looks particularly exciting so I might just be burned out

B.ut hey, this is my opinion, everyone can enjoy what they want as afar as I am concerned. :D

Originally posted by Amerist

Originally posted by Tardcore

Hellgate London reduex or the APB reduex. One or both of those or the LOTRO expansion Isenguard. The rest of the games will make big enough box sales to stay afloat by inertia for at least six months.

Why LOTRO's expansion?

I'm not as attentive to LOTRO, but they seemed to be doing alright with what they have. ξ

I make the assumption due to a few reasons. Many lifetime subscribers and pay per month supporters of LOTRO were less than impressed with the last expansion Seige of Mirkwood. On top of that Turbine has given us very little else to do this past year because they spent so much time revamping to the freemium game model, so many of we long time LOTRO players have grown burnt out and sick of the game. By the time they release the Isengard expansion, there is most likely going to be something else new in the MMO world for us to play. Add to that, that most people who "buy" the expansion will do so with saved up Turbine Store points instead of real money and you are going to have a large influx of players getting the xpac essentially free, grinding like hell through the content, then leaving again rather quickly, without giving Turbine one dime of real money. Add to all of that, that by its very nature LOTRO is not the kind of game that is joe average mainstream MMO players cup of tea, and you are just going to get a lukewarm response to the new content at best. And if the expansion isn't very good that may be the final straw for many long time LOTRO supporters.

Originally posted by Castillle

As the title statesthis is a negativity thread so please do NOT look here for info on whether you want to get a game or not and do not let it discourage or encourage you to get the games listed in here.  This is only about possibilities and this is highly focused on the negative aspect of things so please do yourself a favor and do not take these posts too seriously o.o

 

So when the year is over and were all looking back and making our new years resolution...At that point, which do you think is going to be considered the biggest flop in gaming? 

Doomsayers saying EVE will go bankrupt before the end of he year.

Doomsayers saying SWTOR will be a ghost town a month or so after release.

Doomsayers saying GW2 will be a complete snorefest.

Doomsayers saying TSW will come out as badly as AoC.

Doomsayers saying Tera is a huge pile of boringness with slow paced combat.

Doomsayers saying Archeage will release a statement saying that it will never be released for the western marker and/or being a bait and switch tactic.

And finally!

Doomsayers saying Diablo 3 is just a single player WoW with better graphics and animations dumbed down to the point where you can pretty much not get killed.

So I want you guys to keep it civil and name down your predictions on what do you think has the chance of being the biggest flop of 2011. 

Im sure Im missing a bunch so you guys should place your predictions.  Oh and please no defending too much because we are talking about Possibilities and not probabilities.

Consdiering GW2, TSW and Tera will not come out in 2011, i don't think they'll the year's big flop.  That leaves Arch Age, EVE and SWTOR (which i hve my doubt about the date too).   EVE is still the best sandbox on the market, it won't die.  So it's between Archage and SWTOR.  I expect SWTOR will have a very strong start like AoC and Rift did.  It is a AAA MMO with very many high hopes.  I do think the game has longevity problems, but if it comes out this year, it won't fail THIS year.  If it loses a lot of people, it'll be 6-12 months.    So that leaves Archage by process of elimination.  I don't really know anything about it other that it's an asian game that looks a lot like AION.