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qazyman Gurista Joined: 10/04/06 Posts: 1783 A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability.	6/27/11 7:39:09 AM#61 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by BizkitNL No, there are a number of items leading to this alleged exodus of players. Cash Shop - Expensive items in cash shop is one thing, the other is the leaked mail indicating that Eve might sell more than just fluff items in the cash shop. License fees for third party sites - CCP has acknowledged that the proposal will be changed but still it caused alot of angry people. CCP not listening to their players and their CSM (those player representetives) and in another leaked mail saying that it is not what the players say is what it is important but rather what they do. Incarna and the captains quarters. Many see it as a useless fluff feature with the main purpose to push the cash shope and are actually turning it of. Put all these factors together and you got an angry mob, as was evident in the recent Jira protests. I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them too do", rather than "CCP listening to the players". Ive seen a lot of "vets" using their character age to somehow be more important than everyone else. I say good riddance to those lot. That's just silly because there have been many good articles on this subject. Several years ago, CCP began making decisions that many players felt were not in the best interest of the game they played. It started with much less attention on Null sec activates ( the speed nerf might have been the first shot across the bow ), and moved first toward a focus on hi-sec, and then towards a focus on projects outside of EVE. Players have accepted the rational for all of this and stayed loyal to this company, and all they are asking is that the integrity of the player driven economy be maintained. Statements like this, "I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them to do" show complete lack of understanding of an unfortunate situatuion.
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Herodes Apprentice Member Joined: 8/12/03 Posts: 1425 Consumer	6/27/11 7:40:00 AM#62 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) So EVE is P2P + expensive vanity cash shop now. If the CCP council finish their round table meeting in Iceland and they decide "No gameplay-affecting items in cash shop", then will the disappointed players say "Yes, we won! EVE is P2P+ pricy vanity cash shop but there won´t be gamechanging items in the shop"? Doesn´t sadism work like this? Take 100 x from a lost soul. Then after a while give him 50 x back, and the lost soul will be thankful. It reminds me a bit of the RealID event in WoW. Gaudium
Gdemami Hard Core Member Joined: 9/23/08 Posts: 4537	6/27/11 7:42:39 AM#63 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by qazyman Statements like this, "I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them to do" show complete lack of understanding of an unfortunate situatuion. Lack of understanding on what end? ;-)
qazyman Gurista Joined: 10/04/06 Posts: 1783 A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability.	6/27/11 7:48:28 AM#64 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Gdemami Originally posted by qazyman Statements like this, "I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them to do" show complete lack of understanding of an unfortunate situatuion. Lack of understanding on what end? ;-) So true! I just hope there is enough understanding to keep EVE from becoming STO.
Gdemami Hard Core Member Joined: 9/23/08 Posts: 4537	6/27/11 7:50:08 AM#65 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by qazyman So true! I just hope there is enough understanding to keep EVE from becoming STO. I asked a question, made no statement, how can you answer "So true!" ? lol
BizkitNL Hard Core Member Joined: 12/29/02 Posts: 1768 "Free to play, pay to win""	6/27/11 7:53:27 AM#66 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by qazyman *Originally posted by BizkitNL* No, there are a number of items leading to this alleged exodus of players. Cash Shop - Expensive items in cash shop is one thing, the other is the leaked mail indicating that Eve might sell more than just fluff items in the cash shop. License fees for third party sites - CCP has acknowledged that the proposal will be changed but still it caused alot of angry people. CCP not listening to their players and their CSM (those player representetives) and in another leaked mail saying that it is not what the players say is what it is important but rather what they do. Incarna and the captains quarters. Many see it as a useless fluff feature with the main purpose to push the cash shope and are actually turning it of. Put all these factors together and you got an angry mob, as was evident in the recent Jira protests. I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them too do", rather than "CCP listening to the players". Ive seen a lot of "vets" using their character age to somehow be more important than everyone else. I say good riddance to those lot. That's just silly because there have been many good articles on this subject. Several years ago, CCP began making decisions that many players felt were not in the best interest of the game they played. It started with much less attention on Null sec activates ( the speed nerf might have been the first shot across the bow ), and moved first toward a focus on hi-sec, and then towards a focus on projects outside of EVE. Players have accepted the rational for all of this and stayed loyal to this company, and all they are asking is that the integrity of the player driven economy be maintained. Statements like this, "I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them to do" show complete lack of understanding of an unfortunate situatuion. I think you're misunderstanding what I said. I'm trying to reply to this, but I'm not sure how. What I stated is what I have seen in the last week. Or atleast what's taking the forefront: People calling themselves Vets and demanding CCP to do things their way or they will unsub their 8 accounts. I hope I explained what I was on about. "Skill has not cool downed!"
qazyman Gurista Joined: 10/04/06 Posts: 1783 A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability.	6/27/11 7:55:10 AM#67 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Gdemami Originally posted by qazyman So true! I just hope there is enough understanding to keep EVE from becoming STO. I ask a question, how can you answer "So true!" ? lol Because one side doesn’t understand it’s a business, and the other that it’s a game.
Nicoli Apprentice Member Joined: 8/14/06 Posts: 1280 Nicoli Voldkif Talia Voldkif EVE-Online	6/27/11 7:56:16 AM#68 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by qazyman Statements like this, "I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them to do" show complete lack of understanding of an unfortunate situatuion. No, its dead on target. There is one poster on here specifically that has pretty much explefies this point, sadly I can't remember his name and don't have time to go find it till after work. His statements go some like this, "They haven't added to EVE in 2 years"," Nothing new for the space side recently," and several similiar statements. The reality is that those are only true when you add "that I want" after them. This has been the common theme for a lot of the gameplay changes, including the speed nerf. People bitched because it wasn't what they exactly wanted, not whether or not it made the game more enjoyable overall which for the speed nerf it did.
Aki_Ross Novice Member Joined: 6/22/09 Posts: 168	6/27/11 8:04:06 AM#69 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Id' call my self a vet. I've now played the game over six years, I've seen worse rages over the years and about more simple things like nano frigates, or when they changed the specifications of the torpedoes. It will blow over, it always does. It's just a small percentage of players that are unhappy right now. Myself I don't have a problem with Incarna, but some complain that the loading time is slow. My guess is it's because they got outdated systems, and of course it's always easer to blame somebody else rather than themselves.
qazyman Gurista Joined: 10/04/06 Posts: 1783 A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability.	6/27/11 8:08:06 AM#70 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Nicoli *Originally posted by qazyman* Statements like this, "I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them to do" show complete lack of understanding of an unfortunate situatuion. No, its dead on target. There is one poster on here specifically that has pretty much explefies this point, sadly I can't remember his name and don't have time to go find it till after work. His statements go some like this, "They haven't added to EVE in 2 years"," Nothing new for the space side recently," and several similiar statements. The reality is that those are only true when you add "that I want" after them. This has been the common theme for a lot of the gameplay changes, including the speed nerf. People bitched because it wasn't what they exactly wanted, not whether or not it made the game more enjoyable overall which for the speed nerf it did. True, but the wheels didn't come off the car until CCP went after a core game mechanic. The players may not have liked those changes, but they did accept them. You can't expect people to not have an opinion about things that effect there game play, and you can't expect people to like things they don't. In the end, however, they supported them and continued to play. It wasn't until CCP came after a core game mechanic that people began un-subbing and protesting in game. This is a long way from do exactly what we say or else.
Gdemami Hard Core Member Joined: 9/23/08 Posts: 4537	6/27/11 8:10:33 AM#71 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Nicoli People bitched because it wasn't what they exactly wanted, not whether or not it made the game more enjoyable overall which for the speed nerf it did. Oh yeah, I can't even count the threads on e-forums praising blob warfare as a result of speed changes. The game is so much better... However, speed changes was a huge failure but that is not the point. The important about speed changes and Quantum Rise expansion is that it was a point when CCP started revamping EVE Online to cater to new, more profitable audience. CCP shifted and revamped their priorities and production cycles in order to achieve standards required to please the new crowd, crowd where CCP believes the money are in. Same intentions behind speed changes are behind Incarna and cash shop. Is that bad move? That depends on revenue only and little on your personal affection. You cannot say that CCP does not listen to players, they do, it just might happen it won't be you as they cannot please everybody. EVE has changed once again as it did many times before.
qazyman Gurista Joined: 10/04/06 Posts: 1783 A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability.	6/27/11 8:12:04 AM#72 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by BizkitNL *Originally posted by qazyman* *Originally posted by BizkitNL* No, there are a number of items leading to this alleged exodus of players. Cash Shop - Expensive items in cash shop is one thing, the other is the leaked mail indicating that Eve might sell more than just fluff items in the cash shop. License fees for third party sites - CCP has acknowledged that the proposal will be changed but still it caused alot of angry people. CCP not listening to their players and their CSM (those player representetives) and in another leaked mail saying that it is not what the players say is what it is important but rather what they do. Incarna and the captains quarters. Many see it as a useless fluff feature with the main purpose to push the cash shope and are actually turning it of. Put all these factors together and you got an angry mob, as was evident in the recent Jira protests. I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them too do", rather than "CCP listening to the players". Ive seen a lot of "vets" using their character age to somehow be more important than everyone else. I say good riddance to those lot. That's just silly because there have been many good articles on this subject. Several years ago, CCP began making decisions that many players felt were not in the best interest of the game they played. It started with much less attention on Null sec activates ( the speed nerf might have been the first shot across the bow ), and moved first toward a focus on hi-sec, and then towards a focus on projects outside of EVE. Players have accepted the rational for all of this and stayed loyal to this company, and all they are asking is that the integrity of the player driven economy be maintained. Statements like this, "I think it's more about "CCP Not doing EXACTLY what the players are telling them to do" show complete lack of understanding of an unfortunate situatuion. I think you're misunderstanding what I said. I'm trying to reply to this, but I'm not sure how. What I stated is what I have seen in the last week. Or atleast what's taking the forefront: People calling themselves Vets and demanding CCP to do things their way or they will unsub their 8 accounts. I hope I explained what I was on about. Thanks I see what you were saying now......my bad When I understand what you were saying I agree with you
Gdemami Hard Core Member Joined: 9/23/08 Posts: 4537	6/27/11 8:15:03 AM#73 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by qazyman Because one side doesn’t understand it’s a business, and the other that it’s a game. Ah, point taken. Your stance wasn't clear to me from your post and as I can see BizkitNL has clarified.
drbaltazar Novice Member Joined: 3/28/07 Posts: 7366	6/27/11 8:16:00 AM#74 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) it is like this every year lol!not many will leave and those that do only leave because summer is out once school time resume eve sub will resume like all other game
Morden Novice Member Joined: 7/30/05 Posts: 27	6/27/11 8:21:39 AM#75 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I really dont get what the big deal is.
Distopia Drifter Joined: 11/22/05 Posts: 11007 If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone.	6/27/11 8:24:32 AM#76 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by zymurgeist *Originally posted by Yamota* 2500 accounts is 37.500 $/euros less per month. How much have they made selling 52 monocles? *Don't believe it unless you've seen actual numbers. You know what you've done but you only know what other people say* they've done and many of them lie.** Exactly, we have no hard numbers of actual cancelled subs, we will however get hard numbers if their cash shop is doing well. Using a soft count provided by a forum post on how many are quiting can not be verified, how many of those who say they are leaving actually are? For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all.
xzyax Novice Member Joined: 10/02/08 Posts: 2298	6/27/11 8:41:14 AM#77 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Malickie *Originally posted by zymurgeist* *Originally posted by Yamota* 2500 accounts is 37.500 $/euros less per month. How much have they made selling 52 monocles? *Don't believe it unless you've seen actual numbers. You know what you've done but you only know what other people say* they've done and many of them lie.** Exactly, we have no hard numbers of actual cancelled subs, we will however get hard numbers if their cash shop is doing well. Using a soft count provided by a forum post on how many are quiting can not be verified, how many of those who say they are leaving actually are? Another mistake is to assume every "canceled" account translates to a monthly income loss to CCP. If the majority of those "leaving" are indeed vets... then they are most likely paying for their monthly gametime via PLEX, not via cash. I haven't given CCP any real money for over 1 year now, and my account is topped off through the end of this year. Paying for PLEX through isk earned in game isn't very hard. A lot of those accounts who say they are "leaving" probably haven't given CCP any real money in quite some time either.
Gdemami Hard Core Member Joined: 9/23/08 Posts: 4537	6/27/11 8:42:00 AM#78 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Ups, made an error with previous Account-Users numbers. Sorry for reposting. Users: 1985 Accounts: 4484 Accounts/User: 2,25 Accounts - Users 43 - 1 31 - 1 27 - 1 20 - 1 17 - 1 16 - 1 12 - 2 11 - 1 9 - 7 8 - 5 7 - 12 6 - 20 5 - 50 4 - 142 3 - 371 2 - 688 1 - 681
lizardbones Elite Member Joined: 6/11/08 Posts: 4153	6/27/11 8:56:45 AM#79 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Morden I really dont get what the big deal is. I think it's the very sudden realization that CCP isn't necessarily that different from other game publishers. What CCP has done isn't really that big a deal compared to the rest of the industry. Cash Shop prices are a bit steep, but they are selling totally vanity items. Why shouldn't they be expensive? It's just such a departure from CCP's previously seen behavior. In short, "OMG! They are as greedy as some of us players!" edit grammar Join the League For Gamers.
User Deleted	6/27/11 9:03:56 AM#80 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Thekandy So people are up in arms because they now have the option to buy some completely insignificant cosmetic item? I've said it before and i'll say it again, you people need to get over your obsessive hatred with cash shops. Then you go play it and open your wallet. Edited cause I had my coffee.