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Originally posted by miagisan
oh look its been locked....how's that tin foil hat now? :P

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Not much. Fake or not, I'd delete internal stuff from my forum now. ;)

//edith:
Still, mods going lotka.org is worrying.

Originally posted by Jianyu

Real or not, the atmosphere surrounding EVE right now is precisely that of SWG in November 2005. Players lashing out, a few hopefuls holding out for a remedy, and a few who chalk it up to a vocal minority, all in the shadow of a company that no longer seems to "get it".

The finer details might not be the same, but the shitstorm sure is.

The scenarios are not even remotely the same, in SWG's case we had a game that was horribly broken in many aspects, which were never tended to. Then they blame a lack of success on the sandbox formula used in it's creations. Not the parts they would never fix or improve on. They then gut the entirety of what made the game special and then offered up a horribly broken skeleton of what it once was.

What's all the outrage about with Eve? Conjecture, cosmetic RMT and inner corporate practices we have very few facts on the workings of or culture within.

I look at SWG as the case of child neglect.

I look at EVE as the kid who was given too much for too long and now doesn't know how to accept the word no.

Originally posted by Precusor

Why hasnt this been locked or debunked?

http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537592

http://eve-search.com/thread/1537592

the thread got nuked

They just deleted the thread about the mail leak.

Doesn't look good.

This should be made into a sitcom.

Why not just lock it and say 'false email'? 

That'll pacify the playerbase reaction somewhat but this 'delete and pretend it doesn't exist' is so 'before the interenet' it is not even funny.

This is the Internet, nothing is really truely deleted.

Hmm not sure if it's alowed on these forums but anyone willing to make in game bets on weather or not this email is real?

If so I'm willing to bet 200 mil isk on real

odds of 1 to 1

Edit:

Ok I'll give you odds of 10 to 1. waiting on actual confirmation by a dev.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Jianyu

Real or not, the atmosphere surrounding EVE right now is precisely that of SWG in November 2005. Players lashing out, a few hopefuls holding out for a remedy, and a few who chalk it up to a vocal minority, all in the shadow of a company that no longer seems to "get it".

The finer details might not be the same, but the shitstorm sure is.

The scenarios are not even remotely the same, in SWG's case we had a game that was horribly broken in many aspects, which were never tended to. Then they blame a lack of success on the sandbox formula used in it's creations. Not the parts they would never fix or improve on. They then gut the entirety of what made the game special and then offered up a horribly broken skeleton of what it once was.

What's all the outrage about with Eve? Conjecture, cosmetic RMT and inner corporate practices we have very few facts on the workings of or culture within.

I look at SWG as the case of child neglect.

I look at EVE as the kid who was given too much for too long and now doesn't know how to accept the word no.

Like I said, the finer details (or scenario) aren't the same.

The community backlash, however? Hell, I had a case of deja vu just reading through those threads.

This is the reason the thread got nuked, draw what conclusions you like from it;

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Guys and girls,

The forum rules are quite explicit and our job, on the Community team, is to enforce those rules. Rule number nine states:

'Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned.'

The rules are clear, posting any private communication from any member of CCP is not permitted on ths forums.

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Maybe one of you Eve fans can help me out.

What changed in this expansion?  I tried Eve Online for the first time a month or so ago, found it to be terribly dull, but pretty, though to be perfectly honest i only played for about a week before i gave up.

If people are complaigning as that email says it indicates something changed, can anyone tell me what changed?

I kinda want to like that game.

Sure makes it look real doesn't it?

Originally posted by Zoobi

This is the reason the thread got nuked, draw what conclusions you like from it;

 

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Guys and girls,

 

The forum rules are quite explicit and our job, on the Community team, is to enforce those rules. Rule number nine states:

'Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned.'

The rules are clear, posting any private communication from any member of CCP is not permitted on ths forums.

CCP Navigator

C C P
C C P Alliance

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And the only conclusion is that this was a private communication. Which means it was LEGIT!

My god, are they really that dumb? Holy poo poo.

Removed the link, OP updated it.

Originally posted by JuJutsu

 

Sure makes it look real doesn't it?

Yeah, not exactly how I'd debunk a fake email post.  Now I'm more inclined to believe it but really am not all that bothered by it.

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Originally posted by jpnz
And the only conclusion is that this was a private communication. Which means it was LEGIT!
My god, are they really that dumb? Holy poo poo.

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Quite a jump to conclusion there. Faked correspondence falls under that rule too.

Originally posted by Jianyu

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Jianyu

Real or not, the atmosphere surrounding EVE right now is precisely that of SWG in November 2005. Players lashing out, a few hopefuls holding out for a remedy, and a few who chalk it up to a vocal minority, all in the shadow of a company that no longer seems to "get it".

The finer details might not be the same, but the shitstorm sure is.

The scenarios are not even remotely the same, in SWG's case we had a game that was horribly broken in many aspects, which were never tended to. Then they blame a lack of success on the sandbox formula used in it's creations. Not the parts they would never fix or improve on. They then gut the entirety of what made the game special and then offered up a horribly broken skeleton of what it once was.

What's all the outrage about with Eve? Conjecture, cosmetic RMT and inner corporate practices we have very few facts on the workings of or culture within.

I look at SWG as the case of child neglect.

I look at EVE as the kid who was given too much for too long and now doesn't know how to accept the word no.

Like I said, the finer details (or scenario) aren't the same.

The community backlash, however? Hell, I had a case of deja vu just reading through those threads.

If you look at my last two sentences you'll see how I feel about the backlash. Nothing against people voicing opinions, but taking this to an NGE level is a clear case of overreacting. Especially considering it's mostly regarding an internal memo.

How does fake correspondence fall under that rule?

Originally posted by batolemaeus

 

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Originally posted by jpnz
And the only conclusion is that this was a private communication. Which means it was LEGIT!
My god, are they really that dumb? Holy poo poo.

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Quite a jump to conclusion there. Faked correspondence falls under that rule too.

+1

Yeah... like that official post threw a bucket of water on this fire. Bloody kerosine...

There is so much metagaming in Eve and real cash flowing to keep it in play that I would not be surprised to see a pay to win model develop out of CCP based on what the players actually do. They are taking their turn and cashing in. I am reminded of the Russian and his $100,000 dollar spending spree on an alliance war. It's kind of sad and could kill what makes Eve special.

The real problem I see, is that there are no real competitors for CCP's product to keep them in check. They own their niche market. There's simply no where else to go play and we know what happened to SWG in full now that its days are ending.

I do not even see any upcoming games that have a real chance to compete in the near future from a company and development team capable of sustaining the effort.

*Sigh*

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by batolemaeus

 

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Originally posted by jpnz
And the only conclusion is that this was a private communication. Which means it was LEGIT!
My god, are they really that dumb? Holy poo poo.

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Quite a jump to conclusion there. Faked correspondence falls under that rule too.

+1

Not really, the rule doesn't have anything about 'fake'. Actually the rule is clear that it applies to 'private communication'.

If it was fake then it'll fall under a different rule, e.g. don't impersonate CCP