Originally posted by Renoaku

Well I read the links posted there, and I really don't care what people want to rank a game, or award it for anything.

1. I play games for fun, and based on actual development, from the leaked videos I have seen of SWTOR Character Customization, it is very awful, although it isn't the final I don't know if it will be any better.

2. From what I have seen in all the videos on YouTube SWTOR is not a action based game, but it is more of a select Target, or Aim at target press key theme, not an action game where you actually have Skill, but also based off equipment possibly which makes the game boring.

3. While StarWars Geeks, or Nerds may like this game, I am not a big fan of Star Wars anymore because Lucas Arts, and the developers really killed out the Star Wars action of what it once was back when I played in games like JK Academy, and DF2 this is what the MMO should have been in the lines of but instead they made a strategy based game, and I really do not think that it will be the over all popular.

4. I watched a video where they showed off a guy flying a ship shooting fighters, and a mothership I think it was E3, really boring so it looked, the Character Customization, and selection in game will likely suck on release for me to even want to play.

5. I am more than willing to download a Free Trial of this game, or try the game from a friend or something, but until I actually see the game is fun I am really disappointed in what I have seen from the developers of this game, and I really do think that it could have been much more like an action game such as Global Agenda where you have to aim your Shots press to use skills, and such, but looks boring I am still going to more than likely skip over this game all together also being the fact that it is not developed using 2011 technology from what I hear but was in development since 2008, and buy a game that is better developed and give it a chance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic Was in development since 2008, or before?

While I respect the Opinions, and rewards these guys may have got, I really myself do not feel that impressed with what the developers have shown me, and I really do think that these guys who give awards should take the time to actually play the game themselves before making a judgement of if the game is worthit because like I have seen many videos of games that make it look Great, but the actual play sucked.

its the other away around. Those who do play it tend to like it. Those who haven't played and post negative repetitive posts tend to have not played it.

Pointless E3 awards mean nothing. Number of subs after the first 30 days means a whole lot more.

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I don't know what's more ridiculous, awards given out for how well a developer can hype their upcoming game at an expo, or that people use the awards as 'proof' of the quality of an upcoming game.

Originally posted by dinams

Wasn't the SW:TOR fans saying that "awards means nothing" when GW2 stolen some of theirs?

A bit ironic no?

The point is that no group is homogenous, you'll have some fans who said that 'awards mean nothing' and other fans who don't share that opinion.

Me, for example, I don't care for awards that are given for a convention by some site for games that haven't been launched yet, I often don't even care for awards that are given for 'best of the year' by this or that site.

I mean, it isn't like the Oscar awards (which I find also a joke) or Hugo awards or Olympic awards or such.

Although I do agree with the reason of the OP for posting it.

Originally posted by Razanka

Pointless E3 awards mean nothing. Number of subs after the first 30 days means a whole lot more.

I kind of agree, let's see how all these games are doing when they have been released.

Originally posted by Bygh

Haters vs fanboys vs neutrals vs trolls, the battlefield of Internetz. Four faction PVP action, who needs a MMORPG. Ultimate sandbox experience, start with absolutely nothing and achieve absolutely nothing.

Hehe, yep, forum debating especially in the SWTOR forumsection of this site is kinda like 'Tarren Mill' style forum PvP

You can even choose your race and class archetypes (white knight, hate crusader, basher, troll, diplomat, etc) and skill trees (reason and logic, flaming, ridiculisation, sensationalism and hyperboles, hard facts), so it kinda has some MMO mechanics as well.

Anyway, what boggles me most is how polarized debates often are, it seems that a lot of people have an unwillingness or lack of capability to see and understand viewpoints that aren't theirs: fans often adhere to only the positive arguments and criticize or deny the negative arguments, while haters/critics often tunnelvision focus only on the negative arguments that say bad things about a game while adamantly refusing to acknowledge or see the positive arguments. Polarisation ftw. Funny, in a way, and sad in another.

While I generally agree that pre-release awards don't mean much, it does at least indicate that the game is getting a lot of positive attention and Bioware and EA are building up a good amount of anticipation.

What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get.  I mean, it isn't even OUT yet, people!  I have noticed that many of them suggest that SWToR is going to be crap and so you should wait for Guild Wars 2.  It may be that everyone on these forums realizes that SWToR is going to be huge and so a few from the GW2 crowd feel threatened and the uncontrollable need to try to spew hate at what will be it's biggest competition for the next big thing.  It could also be that some people are just very negative by nature and can't stop being haters.

I personally would be happy if both SWToR and Guild Wars 2 are both huge successes.  I am a gamer and the more fantstic and successful games they churn out the better.

If you don't like the themepark style games no one is going to force you to play them, so settle down and ease up on the hate.  Bioware has said from the beginning that this is what they are making and they are going to follow most of the tried and true conventions.  If you want a sandbox you are going to need to keep looking.

I gave no real attention to SWTOR until E3. And i have to say it looks great. I love the idea of having minions and while flying in space look slike a mini game it still looks fun as hell. Waiting to see if they are going to try and suck me dry of all my money before i decide if i want to play.

Many people act as if 100% of the gaming community will go to a game based on any thing another will say. If a game looks good then its ok to invest your own personal money. SWTOR is a game that ill buy no matter of other opinions. If im the only person playing thats fine by me.

lol someone really just threw out nazis as an arguement. Sweet.

As to the awards, meh.  If the game was out and getting awards, great. But I'm not all that worried about awards before hand.

Originally posted by SlothnChunk

Originally posted by musicmann

Whoever you are your head is like a rock. The trailers are fantastic. They encompass more of the SW feeling than any of the movies LA ever done. Still doesn't change the fact that they were done for BIoware and they won an award on it. Should BLUR have gotten that award, probably so. I really could care less and arguing on something we both agree on is just down right self productive.

Well my original response to your post hasn't changed. If any MMO received 20% or more of its trade show 'awards' due to a trailer the developer didn't even make...I would point that out.

However, if I designed and visualized the best mmorpg ever created and hired "a third party company" to create it, it would still be my best ever created mmorpg that would not exist without me. Not that I care about awards or awards for trailers, but it sure was epic and fun to watch, and it was there because of Bioware and TOR.

Originally posted by Ojass

This crap needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

How many things at E3 this year wree announced in 2008?

Most of the stuff that was announced at E3 was announced for the first time.

 

A lot of people were there knowing what was going to avalaible. Individuals didn't show up knowing what new game would be coming out on the XBOX 360...

 

Now for your "awards".

Electric Playground – Best of E3 2011

Other winners of that same award,

Streetfighter CROSS Tekken

Skulls of the Shogun

Need for Speed

Star Trek

BloodRayne

Prototype 2

Batman Arkham City

Bastion

Mass Effect 3

Uncharted 3

BioShock Infinite

Sound Shapes

Modern Warefare 3

Prey 2

Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City

and Skyrim

 

Yes... Congrats SWTOR.

 

You earned the same award. BTW.... for those of you who didn't know. The highest budget for any one of those games I just listed is around 100 million. SWTOR is well over 200 million at this point.

 

"Success" I see it more as a "Failure", since SWTOR didn't win best in show as the highest budget game there.

GamePro – Best MMO

GameSpy – MMO Game of Show

Massively – Best MMO of E3 2011

Meristation – Best MMO

MMOCrunch – Most Anticipated MMO

MMORPG – Most Anticipated MMO of E3 2011

VGChartz – Best Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game

 

What other MMOs were there? LMAO. Seriously? Do you people have any critical thinking ability.

 

GW2 didn't go, and yet, SWTOR was still nearly beatout by a NEW concept MMO (Trion's Defiance) which has a budget of 1/5 that of SWTOR.

 

SWTOR won those titles by default. The contenders didn't show. Reason being their games speak for themselves. Bioware is hiding their game behind cinematics.

 

Lets move on...

 

PC Gamer – Most Valuable Game

Please tell me you guys looked at the other winners?

Here is a list of the other winners of,

GamesRadar.com Most Valuable Game Award powered by Future

Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Batman: Arkham City
Battlefield 3
BioShock Infinite
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Dark Souls
Dead Island
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Gears of War 3
HALO: Anniversary
Hitman: Absolution
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword
Mass Effect 3
Prototype 2
Rage
Rayman Origins
Saints Row The Third
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
The Darkness II
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Tomb Raider
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
XCOM

 

Note. SWTOR didn't make the list.

 

Now for the PCGamers list of "Most Valuable".

ArmA 3
Batman: Arkham City
Bastion
Battlefield 3
BioShock Infinite
Blacklight Retribution
Defiance
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Ghost Recon Online
Mass Effect 3
Metro: Last Light
Prey 2
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Serious Sam 3
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

 

SWTOR isn't the only one with the title. Please tell me you people have some level of critical thinking and looked for this stuff on your own?

 

Meristation – Best MMO

Meristation – Best Trailer

 

Meristation is a Mexican game news company.

How many US games make it to Mexico?

Regardless, take a look at their site, and you will see why their claims don't carry much weight.

 

Massively – Best Trailer of E3 2011

Best E3 Trailer: SWTOR "Return"

It's a fucking cinamatic. Who the FUCK CARES. It's a CINAMATIC.

 

Machinima – Best PC Game

How many PC only (that is what they are refering to here guys, PC only game) were present at E3?

BTW, here is a quote from their explanation for the award "It’s not exactly common to see a game at E3 three years in a row".

 

Seriously guys. Critical thinking. Bioware didn't perform. SWTOR didn't perform.

They got the 8 year old sportsmanship trophy. They got the trophy that was given out by every company that got an interview.

 

I have 10 bucks you will be playing it day one lol

I'm wondering if TOR did not win any awards that the same people saying these awards mean nothing would be the same pople laughing that TOR did not win anything?

Originally posted by Ojass

This crap needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

How many things at E3 this year wree announced in 2008?

Most of the stuff that was announced at E3 was announced for the first time.

 

A lot of people were there knowing what was going to avalaible. Individuals didn't show up knowing what new game would be coming out on the XBOX 360...

 

Now for your "awards".

Electric Playground – Best of E3 2011

Other winners of that same award,

Streetfighter CROSS Tekken

Skulls of the Shogun

Need for Speed

Star Trek

BloodRayne

Prototype 2

Batman Arkham City

Bastion

Mass Effect 3

Uncharted 3

BioShock Infinite

Sound Shapes

Modern Warefare 3

Prey 2

Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City

and Skyrim

 

Yes... Congrats SWTOR.

 

You earned the same award. BTW.... for those of you who didn't know. The highest budget for any one of those games I just listed is around 100 million. SWTOR is well over 200 million at this point.

 

"Success" I see it more as a "Failure", since SWTOR didn't win best in show as the highest budget game there.

GamePro – Best MMO

GameSpy – MMO Game of Show

Massively – Best MMO of E3 2011

Meristation – Best MMO

MMOCrunch – Most Anticipated MMO

MMORPG – Most Anticipated MMO of E3 2011

VGChartz – Best Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game

 

What other MMOs were there? LMAO. Seriously? Do you people have any critical thinking ability.

 

GW2 didn't go, and yet, SWTOR was still nearly beatout by a NEW concept MMO (Trion's Defiance) which has a budget of 1/5 that of SWTOR.

 

SWTOR won those titles by default. The contenders didn't show. Reason being their games speak for themselves. Bioware is hiding their game behind cinematics.

 

Lets move on...

 

PC Gamer – Most Valuable Game

Please tell me you guys looked at the other winners?

Here is a list of the other winners of,

GamesRadar.com Most Valuable Game Award powered by Future

Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Batman: Arkham City
Battlefield 3
BioShock Infinite
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Dark Souls
Dead Island
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Gears of War 3
HALO: Anniversary
Hitman: Absolution
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword
Mass Effect 3
Prototype 2
Rage
Rayman Origins
Saints Row The Third
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
The Darkness II
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Tomb Raider
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
XCOM

 

Note. SWTOR didn't make the list.

 

Now for the PCGamers list of "Most Valuable".

ArmA 3
Batman: Arkham City
Bastion
Battlefield 3
BioShock Infinite
Blacklight Retribution
Defiance
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Ghost Recon Online
Mass Effect 3
Metro: Last Light
Prey 2
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Serious Sam 3
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

 

SWTOR isn't the only one with the title. Please tell me you people have some level of critical thinking and looked for this stuff on your own?

 

Meristation – Best MMO

Meristation – Best Trailer

 

Meristation is a Mexican game news company.

How many US games make it to Mexico?

Regardless, take a look at their site, and you will see why their claims don't carry much weight.

 

Massively – Best Trailer of E3 2011

Best E3 Trailer: SWTOR "Return"

It's a fucking cinamatic. Who the FUCK CARES. It's a CINAMATIC.

 

Machinima – Best PC Game

How many PC only (that is what they are refering to here guys, PC only game) were present at E3?

BTW, here is a quote from their explanation for the award "It’s not exactly common to see a game at E3 three years in a row".

 

Seriously guys. Critical thinking. Bioware didn't perform. SWTOR didn't perform.

They got the 8 year old sportsmanship trophy. They got the trophy that was given out by every company that got an interview.

 

 Waaay too much effort for someone who doesnt care.

This is the funny thing about ppl in general who are suppose to not care about SWtor at all. "I'm not a hater honest, I just dont care for it, it doesnt do it for me". Yet here they are spending more time in SWtor forum than ANY fanboi I've seen constantly pushing SWtor and bioware down. I get it, hype is just that, hype. SWtor can never live up to it thats for sure. But this is just silly.

Originally posted by Raventree

 

What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get.

This just goes to show people know what to expect from TOR for the most part. Which has some people raging already, mainly those sick of the WOW model or those who do not like themeparks in general.

I guess you could say the suspension of disbelief is no longer suspended, which is not the case with GW2 or TSW.  These two games still have the luxury of giving way to the imagination of what they will be, rather than the reality of it.

Regardless of this people who are raging will still pick up the game for whatever reason. We'll still get to hear how much they hate themeparks or WOW-like games come launch. I'm sure they'll all be saying it's the fanboi's fault, they were lead to believe the game was something more. Bioware lied etc.. etc...

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Raventree

 

What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get.

This just goes to show people know what to expect from TOR for the most part. Which has some people raging already, mainly those sick of the WOW model or those who do not like themeparks in general.

I guess you could say the suspension of disbelief is no longer suspended, which is not the case with GW2 or TSW.  These two games still have the luxury of giving way to the imagination of what they will be, rather than the reality of it.

Regardless of this people who are raging will still pick up the game for whatever reason. We'll still get to hear how much they hate themeparks or WOW-like games come launch. I'm sure they'll all be saying it's the fanboi's fault, they were lead to believe the game was something more. Bioware lied etc.. etc...

 Idd this.

Having already made my mind up months ago I still bought the game to still be eligible for SWtor bashing even after release. Here's my objective review....

Without a doubt we'll see those.

Originally posted by ormstunga

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Raventree 

What I don't understand is how some people have already built up such a rabid dislike for the game that they have to keep bashing it at every chance they get.

This just goes to show people know what to expect from TOR for the most part. Which has some people raging already, mainly those sick of the WOW model or those who do not like themeparks in general.

I guess you could say the suspension of disbelief is no longer suspended, which is not the case with GW2 or TSW.  These two games still have the luxury of giving way to the imagination of what they will be, rather than the reality of it.

Regardless of this people who are raging will still pick up the game for whatever reason. We'll still get to hear how much they hate themeparks or WOW-like games come launch. I'm sure they'll all be saying it's the fanboi's fault, they were lead to believe the game was something more. Bioware lied etc.. etc...

 Idd this.

Having already made my mind up months ago I still bought the game to still be eligible for SWtor bashing even after release. Here's my objective review....

Without a doubt we'll see those.

     Malickie is right and the really bad thing these people do not see how pathetic they are.  Fact is we have absolutely no idea how good or bad this game will be until after it goes live and we can play it.  When people blindly attack something like this it just makes them look immature.  At least with the fanboys though, you don't feel such the need to take a shower after reading the garbage the haters are spewing out.  Keep in mind that goes for most any game though and in some cases it is worse for games that have already been released.  Personally, I highly doubt I'll be reading any forums for a long while after SWTOR releases, but then again, I am a fan of BioWare's stories.

Originally posted by Ojass

This crap needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

How many things at E3 this year wree announced in 2008?

Most of the stuff that was announced at E3 was announced for the first time.

 

A lot of people were there knowing what was going to avalaible. Individuals didn't show up knowing what new game would be coming out on the XBOX 360...

 

Now for your "awards".

Electric Playground – Best of E3 2011

Other winners of that same award,

Streetfighter CROSS Tekken

Skulls of the Shogun

Need for Speed

Star Trek

BloodRayne

Prototype 2

Batman Arkham City

Bastion

Mass Effect 3

Uncharted 3

BioShock Infinite

Sound Shapes

Modern Warefare 3

Prey 2

Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City

and Skyrim

 

Yes... Congrats SWTOR.

 

You earned the same award. BTW.... for those of you who didn't know. The highest budget for any one of those games I just listed is around 100 million. SWTOR is well over 200 million at this point.

 

"Success" I see it more as a "Failure", since SWTOR didn't win best in show as the highest budget game there.

GamePro – Best MMO

GameSpy – MMO Game of Show

Massively – Best MMO of E3 2011

Meristation – Best MMO

MMOCrunch – Most Anticipated MMO

MMORPG – Most Anticipated MMO of E3 2011

VGChartz – Best Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game

 

What other MMOs were there? LMAO. Seriously? Do you people have any critical thinking ability.

 

GW2 didn't go, and yet, SWTOR was still nearly beatout by a NEW concept MMO (Trion's Defiance) which has a budget of 1/5 that of SWTOR.

 

SWTOR won those titles by default. The contenders didn't show. Reason being their games speak for themselves. Bioware is hiding their game behind cinematics.

 

Lets move on...

 

PC Gamer – Most Valuable Game

Please tell me you guys looked at the other winners?

Here is a list of the other winners of,

GamesRadar.com Most Valuable Game Award powered by Future

Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Batman: Arkham City
Battlefield 3
BioShock Infinite
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Dark Souls
Dead Island
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Gears of War 3
HALO: Anniversary
Hitman: Absolution
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning
Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword
Mass Effect 3
Prototype 2
Rage
Rayman Origins
Saints Row The Third
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
The Darkness II
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Tomb Raider
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
XCOM

 

Note. SWTOR didn't make the list.

 

Now for the PCGamers list of "Most Valuable".

ArmA 3
Batman: Arkham City
Bastion
Battlefield 3
BioShock Infinite
Blacklight Retribution
Defiance
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Ghost Recon Online
Mass Effect 3
Metro: Last Light
Prey 2
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Serious Sam 3
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

 

SWTOR isn't the only one with the title. Please tell me you people have some level of critical thinking and looked for this stuff on your own?

 

Meristation – Best MMO

Meristation – Best Trailer

 

Meristation is a Mexican game news company.

How many US games make it to Mexico?

Regardless, take a look at their site, and you will see why their claims don't carry much weight.

 

Massively – Best Trailer of E3 2011

Best E3 Trailer: SWTOR "Return"

It's a fucking cinamatic. Who the FUCK CARES. It's a CINAMATIC.

 

Machinima – Best PC Game

How many PC only (that is what they are refering to here guys, PC only game) were present at E3?

BTW, here is a quote from their explanation for the award "It’s not exactly common to see a game at E3 three years in a row".

 

Seriously guys. Critical thinking. Bioware didn't perform. SWTOR didn't perform.

They got the 8 year old sportsmanship trophy. They got the trophy that was given out by every company that got an interview.

 

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This is realy funny , I just read similiar thread http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/318624/E3-2011-awards-nominations.html on TERA forums ... :D There is quite a few BEST MMO OF E3 awards too.

Awards from press means nothing and say nothing about game direction. Press is here to sell you the game not to give often harsh truth.

i wanna make a statement. awards are awards. does not mean squat intil game actually comes out. Look what happen to warhammer fantasy online. they won tons of awards when game was not out. it became utter fail.

I love how these games get awards before they are even released. 

It's complete BS to do this.

This is like extending credit to someone that hasn't held a job yet.  Sure, you have seen their high school and college diploma's... but what will they do in the real world?  What happens when they aren't graded on a curve?  The harsh, cruel world filled with millions of critics. 

The earliest a game should be able to receive an award would be 90+ days after launch.  Let players play it and let sub numbers begin to solidify.... then hand out some awards.

All of this hype moves boxes, but it also places the credibility of the award providers in serious jeopardy.

Again... 'game of the year' should NEVER  belong to a game that hasn't been released yet.