Will people that were alive during launch ever see Mordor?  I have my doubts that it will ever exist in this game before it is scrapped, or the IP runs out.

afaik there is still rhun, the whole gondorian shore(including minas tirith vicinities), the iron mountains, harad aswell

Mordor will probably be the last, expect it in 2 years or so unless they rush and all these other areas sucks bad

Im guessing we are going to see Mordor within 5 years, with Isengard we are halfway through the trilogy and its been 4 1/2 years. But there is alot left to add to ME after that before its finished.

It will likely be very close to when the license runs out. 2016 would be my guess.

Its going to take a serious breech in lore to allow anyone who isn't Sam and Frodo to go into Mordor.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong there, LOTR fans.

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Its going to take a serious breech in lore to allow anyone who isn't Sam and Frodo to go into Mordor.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong there, LOTR fans.

Runekeepers and Loremasters . . .

Well, they finally got into the second book so 10 years if they get the license renewed. If they early gets told that it wont get they will release it a year before they have to close down the gmae, 2015?

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Its going to take a serious breech in lore to allow anyone who isn't Sam and Frodo to go into Mordor.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong there, LOTR fans.

That never stopped them before...

Originally posted by zeowyrm

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Its going to take a serious breech in lore to allow anyone who isn't Sam and Frodo to go into Mordor.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong there, LOTR fans.

Runekeepers and Loremasters . . .

Oh, I know.

I stopped playing the game because it stopped feeling like it was Middle Earth to me.   Got really really themeparky.  Almost as bad as Star Wars Galaxies where everyone is a Jedi and a Boba Fett now.

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Its going to take a serious breech in lore to allow anyone who isn't Sam and Frodo to go into Mordor.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong there, LOTR fans.

Oh I dont know, I think it could be done.

Without any breach.

Remember, our characters are following the fellowship. I could easily see the devs making it so that we become one of the "distractions" to allow frodo to get to Mt. Doom or scouting ahead or some such thing.

I dont' really believe that adding sub stories that don't change the main thrust of the world really breaches any "lore". If there is indeed going to be a world of middle earth then there are other characters that have a part in it. Allowing players to play those "what if" parts isn't going to detract from the story provided they don't do anything drastic such as allow a player to stand by while frodo fights gollum or has a player swoop in on an eagle as a mount and rescue frodo and sam.

By making it so that players can play in middle earth they essentially allow additional stories to be told. But again, provided that these stories don't fly in the face of the books and the world.

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Originally posted by zeowyrm

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Its going to take a serious breech in lore to allow anyone who isn't Sam and Frodo to go into Mordor.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong there, LOTR fans.

Runekeepers and Loremasters . . .

Oh, I know.

I stopped playing the game because it stopped feeling like it was Middle Earth to me.   Got really really themeparky.  Almost as bad as Star Wars Galaxies where everyone is a Jedi and a Boba Fett now.

Yeah, that's definitley a problem that the game has.

I'm also not convinced they'll do it because it essentially means they've reached the end of the books and then where does the story go?

Its like Star Wars Galaxies,  if SWG had followed the theme's timeline then Return of the Jedi would've already taken place in realistic time.

Of course, that game completely fell apart and there hasn't been any real content added to the game in ages.  But had SOE and LucasArts not screwed that pooch, then... same problem as LOTRO.

My firends and I were talking about that when this game first came out.  The suggestion was made to expand back to the first or second age.  Basically a remort system. 

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

I'm also not convinced they'll do it because it essentially means they've reached the end of the books and then where does the story go?

Its like Star Wars Galaxies,  if SWG had followed the theme's timeline then Return of the Jedi would've already taken place in realistic time.

Of course, that game completely fell apart and there hasn't been any real content added to the game in ages.  But had SOE and LucasArts not screwed that pooch, then... same problem as LOTRO.

No problem is SW. There are a lot more books that never have been made into movies, that is the reason it started with episode 4. 

Tolkien also have written stuff about what happens after the one ring is destroyed, even if it wouldn't be popular since the elfs leaves.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

I'm also not convinced they'll do it because it essentially means they've reached the end of the books and then where does the story go?

Its like Star Wars Galaxies,  if SWG had followed the theme's timeline then Return of the Jedi would've already taken place in realistic time.

Of course, that game completely fell apart and there hasn't been any real content added to the game in ages.  But had SOE and LucasArts not screwed that pooch, then... same problem as LOTRO.

No problem is SW. There are a lot more books that never have been made into movies, that is the reason it started with episode 4. 

Tolkien also have written stuff about what happens after the one ring is destroyed, even if it wouldn't be popular since the elfs leaves.

Yeah, exactly. Which is probably like 60%+ of the playerbase.

I do not have a link to where the devs said this, but they do have plans for content after the ring is destroyed. What that is I have no idea. I have been with lotro since late 07 and I will continue to play it until the servers are shut down.

And to people saying rune-keepers and lore-masters are a breach in lore I don't see the big deal. Its an MMO they will be on the border line between lore breaking and following lore. If they just stuck with the lore in the lord of the rings books it would probably be a very boring game. Turbine is trying to follow the books as close as possible and to the best of thier abilities they wil NEVER satisfy everyone. Plus when they made the classes they got the ideas from different characters in the lore. I think you can find that info in the lorebook or on lotro wiki.

But I guess it does not bother me since I do not nit pick every single little thing, how the heck can anyone enjoy something if they do that? Nothing will EVER be perfect it will always have some type of flaw. Whether it is Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, D&D etc. it will never be perfect, especially when it comes to MMORPGs.

Originally posted by gundamwing

If they just stuck with the lore in the lord of the rings books it would probably be a very boring game.

Well, I highly disagree with you. Adding jets in a game based on the civil war might mix it up a bit but it doesn't work.

Adding high powered rifles to a game based on the Bronze age might be exciting but it doesn't belong.

I see this over and over but to my thinking anyone who actually wants to play in middle earth would find the actual middle earth a pretty amazing place.

To say that it needs something because the existing material just doesn't excite doesn't really give the original source material its due.

Oh sure, to translate it into a game means that some game conventions might have to be used. But there is a difference between allowing it to operate as a game and adding things becuse some people are more interested in a Middle Earth by way of Dungeons and Dragons.

In any case, I do think that going into Mordor and continuing the game after Mordor is possible but only because the world itself is already very rich and vibrant.

I'll just go back to rocking on my porch, polishing my shotgun and keeping those damn kids out of my bean garden.

I think that LOTRO is already boring.  Another of the driving factors as to why I can't play it anymore.  It makes me really sleepy.

I'd really like an MMO for Lord of the Rings that is a hybrid of the films and the books. With the appearance and soundtracks from the movies and the strict lore of the novels.

I think the best LOTR game I ever played were the movie based games that came out on the PS2.  Man, those games werea blast. Wish an MMO that had that kinda combat existed for the IP.

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

 

I'd really like an MMO for Lord of the Rings that is a hybrid of the films and the books. With the appearance and soundtracks from the movies and the strict lore of the novels.

 

I'll admit I share this idea.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by gundamwing

If they just stuck with the lore in the lord of the rings books it would probably be a very boring game.

Well, I highly disagree with you. Adding jets in a game based on the civil war might mix it up a bit but it doesn't work.

Adding high powered rifles to a game based on the Bronze age might be exciting but it doesn't belong.

I see this over and over but to my thinking anyone who actually wants to play in middle earth would find the actual middle earth a pretty amazing place.

To say that it needs something because the existing material just doesn't excite doesn't really give the original source material its due.

Oh sure, to translate it into a game means that some game conventions might have to be used. But there is a difference between allowing it to operate as a game and adding things becuse some people are more interested in a Middle Earth by way of Dungeons and Dragons.

In any case, I do think that going into Mordor and continuing the game after Mordor is possible but only because the world itself is already very rich and vibrant.

I'll just go back to rocking on my porch, polishing my shotgun and keeping those damn kids out of my bean garden.

 First I will say that I should have explained my opinion more which caused you to read that part of my comment the wrong way.

No they should not add stuff like the gnome helecopters or whatever in WoW that would be way out of the lore, that would be dumb. What I am saying is that what they have done right now seems fine to me. They have stuck with the books very well, better than I thought they would. I could see this game being different, sort of sanboxish, but it is not.

Thats all I am going to say, I never do like getting into "lore battles" since everyone has their own view of what the game should be like and will not be happy until it is what they want. Like I said no game will ever be perfect, which is why I don't nit pick games.