Thanks to SWG Vets I missed on great mmorpg.

Don't take that line too serious hehe.

But still - I'm reading this forums for years, and at times, when I'm looking for opinions about games I want to play/buy, my choice is based on opinions found here.
So now you know why I never really played SWG, and was sticking with other mmos.
[and I will keep this story that short lol]

You probably all know that SOE activated all old accounts for 45 days.
I have old SWG trial account, and last week decided to give this game a proper try.
I AM AMAZED by the number of features in this game.

- Crafting is the BEST I ever experienced, EVERYTHING can be made by players
- Spaceships!! I can freely pilot them, walk on them, make them, sell them, shoot them and even customise them!
- When I feel like questing there is legacy questline, and I went to see jabba palace just totake some screenshots but ended up working for the man!! [slug] And as I'm doing quests for him I'm getting access to more parts of his palace - great stuff :)
- Galactic Civil War - players are fighting to controll cities/planets, open world pvp
- Bounty Hunting on planets and in space. Hunting REAL players for money - how cool is that!
- Chronicles - players can make quests!!! And both - one who made it and one who finished that quest are getting some rewards. And by participating I'm improving my chronicler level so I can create more complicated and challenging quests - I'm doing it with friends and it's great!
- Players can build houses that are NOT instanced, build CITIES and run election for city mayor!
- Collections/achievements are giving me physical rewards like items I can use to decorate my
  house or enchance my spaceship or character!!!

And I'm sure thats not all!!!
Keep seeing ppl looking for groups to do some haroic missions [I googled hoth battle video -what other mmorpg gives you THAT?]
There are normal instanced dungeons and bosses too, with rare loot and tokens.
I heard there is special space pvp zone where people are fighting on MULTIPLAYER ships - pilot/gunners like 3, 4 ppl on one ship!!
There even is a fishing leaderboard for guilds - have to get myself a fishing pole then :D

OK game was different back then and you liked it more - BUT why to bash it to death now ?
SWG gives me more than ANY new mmorpg that is out there atm. Played them all btw.
Im level 50 tank/dps in RIFT, 85 tank/dps in WoW, played Darkfall, Mortal Online, damn even things like TIBIA. And I couldn't enyjoy them games for too long.
I'm logging in to WoW, and beside killing raid bosses it feels like there is NOTHING to do.
I was done with Cata xpack in a month and then what? Hard mode ? Please...

If games like SWG will die, and all you can hear about them will be negativity - who is going to invest money in games witch that kind of features/content ?
 I bet no indie company can pull of a project that can beat SWG. And what u gonna play - Xyon ? Oh yea this is great finished game that I can enjoy NOW huh...

You should encourage new players to try SWG, not the opposite.
If they only know WoW all they want is just another WoW clone.

I'm playing my newbie Bounty Hunter and Commando and I'm recording videos as I go.

You can see them here : http://youtu.be/iv-8_r0-wKo?hd=1

p.s. I really just wanted to say  - I started to play SWG and frikkin LOVE it :) oh well :D

That's why i play what i want. If i don't like it o'well, at least i know why i don't like that particular game. Im talking about any mmo in general. Just because someone says they don't like it doesn't mean you won't.

Originally posted by SpeedMann

That's why i play what i want. If i don't like it o'well, at least i know why i don't like that particular game. Im talking about any mmo in general. Just because someone says they don't like it doesn't mean you won't.

I'm not saying I always listen to what people say. For example - I'm Final Fantasy fan and I sent 40 euro down the drain when FF14 came out. And I WAS reading all that negative beta feedback but I just wanted to see this game and wanted them Square ppl to succeed.

In my country of birth, average working class people in my home town are getting like 300 euro a month. So you can imagine how hard it can be to convince my friends to invest money in mmorpg that have almost no good reviews/opinions?

Sometimes I'm buying few copies of mmo lets say on steam, I'm sending codes to my friends back there and we are testing new game together. I did that with RIFT and we all ended giving up on it super fast. Only my sub is still running coz I went for that founder pricing crap... AH and my GF coz she forgot to cancell huh. Funny thing - she's back in wow since  last week :)

I tried a trial of this games years ago. As exciting as those features sound, when I played I couldn't get immersed into the game. I love Star Wars but SWG just couldn't satisfy me.

Maybe one of these days I will give this game a 2nd chance and maybe I will actually enjoy it? Who knows. :P

Yea, do it now as your old account was reactivated for 45 days, and space expack is included in basic game now.

And just think, SWG used to be about a million times better than even that. Glad you like it.

Originally posted by COOKERpl

OK game was different back then and you liked it more - BUT why to bash it to death now ?

Perhaps because if SOE decides tomorrow that the "proper" SWG experience is playing as a small blue squirrel using a WII controller interface they would do it in a week without telling you...probably right after selling you an expansion pack??

Old SWG had problems, but rather than work on fixing them SOE decided to mislead ~250k paying subscribers for months and then suddenly attempt to relaunch a totally different game in pursuit of what turned out to be a mythical larger audience. That they have spent the years since making that relaunched game better doesn't make those of us burned by them any more likely to trust them again.

But also consider if you where playing a game with those features and much more nearly 10 years ago, and then they where removed and the population killed.

While some of those features have been added back in very slowly over that time, it is not as good as it once was. But the features they left in, or have added back in later that you are now enjoying are what the vets have wanted all along.

Do those features make it better  than most other MMOs out there? yes

Is it, or will it ever be as good as it once was? no

But I think for fresh players who have not experianced what it could be, then there is certainly good times to be had in the game, and im glad you have found out what us "VETS" - (bio engineer RIP :P) once enjoyed playing :)

Or those of us that ground for countless hours to finally unlock our force sensitive slots just to hear... "Now EVERYONE can be a Jedi!"

.... >.>

Son of a...

Thanks SOE, this is a time in the lore when there were maybe two Jedi around, aside from those in hiding, and you covered Naboo in so many lightsabers it looked like a 24/7 rave.

I saw all your 3 vids and have to say, it looks pretty neat. And what surprised me the most, there are quite some players online as well.

Originally posted by COOKERpl

Yea, do it now as your old account was reactivated for 45 days, and space expack is included in basic game now.

What does the space expack give me at a low level?

No offense to people who love this game but I could not really get into it much.  I loved the whole bio-engineering thing since it added something that I personally wish a lot of other games lacked.  However, I could not stand all the bots killing all the mobs I was trying to kill trying to level up my pets.  After contacting customer support several times they basically told me they did not care that people botted and that is when I threw in the towel.

Wish you well in the game but I'll never go into this or any other Sony product again.

Originally posted by iceissocold

Originally posted by COOKERpl

Yea, do it now as your old account was reactivated for 45 days, and space expack is included in basic game now.

What does the space expack give me at a low level?

When I played it was a separate function all together, different leveling etc, so it would give you what it would give a lvl 80. if it's still that way that is.

It is silly to read what vets have to say about SWG and avoiding the game on basis of that. Luckily, i never cared for what they say and tried SWG last year. And its been one year now and i recently took a break. It has been one of the best MMO experince i had since EQ and EQ2. SWG is perfect mix of themepark/sandbox element and number of things to do in SWG are mind boggling. 

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by iceissocold

Originally posted by COOKERpl

Yea, do it now as your old account was reactivated for 45 days, and space expack is included in basic game now.

What does the space expack give me at a low level?

When I played it was a separate function all together, different leveling etc, so it would give you what it would give a lvl 80. if it's still that way that is.

 Yea, from what I experienced so far, it looks like you can be say level 1 Smuggler as combat profession, and still max out your pilot level - think it's called Ace Pilot.

Only thing is - you need money for better spaceships and parts to get there. I'm not sure if pure pilots are getting enought money from their missions to cover all the expenses ???

I think I'll just be proactive and remind people that this discussion could be good or might go down the road of "it's a darn shame".

Again, I'm just being a bit proactive  just in case this thread might decide to go "south".

So far people are respecting each other and it's starting as a decent discussion but it could easily become ugly given the topic and game.

Discuss the topic, respect each other and we'll keep the thread open.

Originally posted by COOKERpl

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by iceissocold

Originally posted by COOKERpl

Yea, do it now as your old account was reactivated for 45 days, and space expack is included in basic game now.

What does the space expack give me at a low level?

When I played it was a separate function all together, different leveling etc, so it would give you what it would give a lvl 80. if it's still that way that is.

 Yea, from what I experienced so far, it looks like you can be say level 1 Smuggler as combat profession, and still max out your pilot level - think it's called Ace Pilot.

Only thing is - you need money for better spaceships and parts to get there. I'm not sure if pure pilots are getting enought money from their missions to cover all the expenses ???

You can make some good credits (gold/cash)  from selling the loot either the junk to npc's or good stuff to crafters who use them to re -engineer them.

Atm in the proces of testing the game out again, I am a early swg player from beta and left the game after the NGE when the mayor amount of towns (and whit it gameplay)were utterly destroyed whitin a few weeks in the exodus.

While the class system ofc still a mayor downgrade compared to the old way the rest of the game has bin given mayor upgrades, I dont know any game that has so many diferent things to do and even crafting has had its own upgrades , customisation is beyond everyting any game has ever offered.

I have yet to do any "serious" game play (herorics, new pvp system) but looking forward to it, and as said I can always go fishing, or do quest for some neat stuff, or grind "elite" mobs in hopes for treasure chest (all old items like NS bracers,painting, crystals drop now as Rare loot from high end mobs, small%chance)

Logging in at 10am I was highly suprised by the amound of people online , while not on pair whit way way back I can say that the farstar( as im playing on that one) server is quite healty , ad spammers, entertainers and cantina crawlers, duel pvp nerts its all there , the new guild searts function is also rather handy to see how active they realy are and quite a lot  had a 95-100% activity ratring (%is based on member count and uniqe logins so not just 1 member logging in each day)

As for the classes, diversity is "ok" no more or less then your other random MMO, I supose having played many other mmo's now and 90% of them being stuck in the class system makes it now easyer to accept swg and its class system for me.

It will be intresting to see how peak times behave tonight and how bussy the server will be and most importand for me how many roleplayers are around.

Looking forward to it.

LF guild interface is another thing imo that is so much ahead of new games.

Only things is, they should move it to main menu [thats handy for newbs like me], coz I was told there is a tool like that, but couldn't find it. Few HELPERS in Mos Eisley couldn't help me eighter, coz they say - if you don't have to use it you forget about it :)

Originally posted by COOKERpl

Thanks to SWG Vets I missed on great mmorpg.

Don't take that line too serious hehe.

But still - I'm reading this forums for years, and at times, when I'm looking for opinions about games I want to play/buy, my choice is based on opinions found here.
So now you know why I never really played SWG, and was sticking with other mmos.
[and I will keep this story that short lol]

You probably all know that SOE activated all old accounts for 45 days.
I have old SWG trial account, and last week decided to give this game a proper try.
I AM AMAZED by the number of features in this game.

- Crafting is the BEST I ever experienced, EVERYTHING can be made by players

No decay, only real need for crafters repeat business is from power ups. No decay, so no real economy.

- Spaceships!! I can freely pilot them, walk on them, make them, sell them, shoot them and even customise them!

Space is done well in the game. Oddly enough it's the one thing that has been fucked about with the least, tells you something about the dev teams abilities...

- When I feel like questing there is legacy questline, and I went to see jabba palace just totake some screenshots but ended up working for the man!! [slug] And as I'm doing quests for him I'm getting access to more parts of his palace - great stuff :)

You think the Legacy quest is good? Er okay fair enough if you like it I guess.

- Galactic Civil War - players are fighting to controll cities/planets, open world pvp

I don't think so Tim. The GCW in terms of pvp is meaningless and as for open pvp.. inb4 Restuss being the only viable zone to either A) Find anyone and B) That has anywhere near enough hamsters for large scale pvp.

- Bounty Hunting on planets and in space. Hunting REAL players for money - how cool is that!

It would be cool if the majority of bounties were not 50k credits with the rest being on spies.

- Chronicles - players can make quests!!! And both - one who made it and one who finished that quest are getting some rewards. And by participating I'm improving my chronicler level so I can create more complicated and challenging quests - I'm doing it with friends and it's great!

It's handy, given the fact the quests turned out by the dev team  are pretty poor.

- Players can build houses that are NOT instanced, build CITIES and run election for city mayor!

You can't build houses, you can dump them. And boy do people dump them. Ghost cities, ghost cities everywhere.

- Collections/achievements are giving me physical rewards like items I can use to decorate my
  house or enchance my spaceship or character!!!

Grinds in the place of actual content. Oh look I got Meaningless Plant Part 11/1467743 for the 15th time, woot!

 

And I'm sure thats not all!!!
Keep seeing ppl looking for groups to do some haroic missions [I googled hoth battle video -what other mmorpg gives you THAT?]

Try it a few times then get back to us.

There are normal instanced dungeons and bosses too, with rare loot and tokens.

Mini pve raids, many of which can be 2-3 manned.

I heard there is special space pvp zone where people are fighting on MULTIPLAYER ships - pilot/gunners like 3, 4 ppl on one ship!!

I think you are refering to either Deep Space or Kessel, why are you bigging it up if you haven't actually been in it? Oh I see this is a bad advertorial post.

There even is a fishing leaderboard for guilds - have to get myself a fishing pole then :D

OK game was different back then and you liked it more - BUT why to bash it to death now ?

I don't agree when bitter vets bash the game and hark back to the 'glory days'. But I for one and many others simply think the game as it stands now is not up to par.

SWG gives me more than ANY new mmorpg that is out there atm. Played them all btw.

Cool, it certainly didn't give me more than any other mmorpg out there. More importantly it has very poor core elements. Pvp is a joke. The economy is broken. The server tech is attrocious. There is zero risk factor in the game.

Im level 50 tank/dps in RIFT, 85 tank/dps in WoW, played Darkfall, Mortal Online, damn even things like TIBIA. And I couldn't enyjoy them games for too long.
I'm logging in to WoW, and beside killing raid bosses it feels like there is NOTHING to do.

Wait a minute, didn't you just try and point out swg's rather pathetic mini raid heroics as a plus point?

I was done with Cata xpack in a month and then what? Hard mode ? Please...

If games like SWG will die, and all you can hear about them will be negativity - who is going to invest money in games witch that kind of features/content ?
 I bet no indie company can pull of a project that can beat SWG. And what u gonna play - Xyon ? Oh yea this is great finished game that I can enjoy NOW huh...

UO, EVE, Archeage, WoD. DF in terms of pvp and the actual feeling of being in vast sandbox. SWG ceased to innovate years ago and has instead been adding in (poor) themepark content. Hardly sterling work.

 

You should encourage new players to try SWG, not the opposite.

There is a free trial, oddly enough many try it and think it's not good enough and quit without the egging on from 'bitter vets'.

If they only know WoW all they want is just another WoW clone.

There is not some WoW vs SWG split. Many simply don't like the game whether they liked/played WoW or not.

 

I'm playing my newbie Bounty Hunter and Commando and I'm recording videos as I go.

You can see them here : http://youtu.be/iv-8_r0-wKo?hd=1

 

p.s. I really just wanted to say  - I started to play SWG and frikkin LOVE it :) oh well :D

Glad you like it.

 

People shouldn't be put off by bitter vets and they should try games. But there are plenty of things you bring up that I disagree with there. Perhaps when you have spent a little more time in the game and have seen what it has to offer at 'endgame' so to speak you may change your mind somewhat.

Haha, who ever wrote the in red parts in the post above this one has clearly not spent a min in game since 2006 or so.

Even this first day of testing the game out again shows that, exsample being pvp.. it has expanded quite a bit. how involving it is I dont know (since its my first reteurn day) but theres a whole lot more going on then a single pvp zone on rori these days.

Basicly from waht I seen is that every planet now had about 10 or so pvp zones (towns and "special zones")  that can eb captured by either side. dont know about rewards for capturing them or real use but meh..thinking back to the old system , towns and random spotts bases could be placed and planets "captured" it would chance the npcs in city's to the side that captured the planet.  but it was compleet meaningless beyond providing hotspots to pvp so even if the new system offer nothing but that again nothing changed between now and the old system besites the zones being a little more static now.