If it's not EVE - MMORPG Fanboy game of choice... It will get slammed unfortunately =(

Best way to judge a community is a look at the "ratings" on the site.  Unless you think EvE is best think on the planet ever, you probably won't find many people with similar tastes here =(

Still, it's a good source for new game releases and information on them.

Originally posted by Painlezz

If it's not EVE - MMORPG Fanboy game of choice... It will get slammed unfortunately =(

Best way to judge a community is a look at the "ratings" on the site.  Unless you think EvE is best think on the planet ever, you probably won't find many people with similar tastes here =(

Still, it's a good source for new game releases and information on them.

That doesn't even make sense. According to the reviewers on this site, EVE is the 10th highest scored game. And according to players it's the 5th highest rated.

And yet EVE is 3rd in the world for paid subscribers. So you could argue the scores/ratings are under-represented.

Originally posted by musicmann

Here's what i posted in another thread yesterday. Even though i am a sandbox gameplay fan, it sums up this site pretty good and why TOR will always get bashed.

SWTOR for alot on this pro sandbox gameplay site is looked upon as the man, the establishment. Therefore, they are on the opposite side of that. so this game can and never will be done right for them. As a matter of fact no game will do unless it is a pure, open world, FFA pvp with corpse looting and being able to plant trees and flowers and change the world with dynamic events all the while sitting in there house that is in their guild city looking at themselves in a mirror that they repositioned themselves a hundred times over gleeming with excitment on how the graphics in the game is so life like and real, they can't tell the difference between real life and the game.

I think that sums up why they have a problem with TOR.

For me, i think TOR is gonna be a blast to play for along time to come.

 

Yeah I have to admit that game you described sounds AMAZING!  But I'll be happy with TOR. TORs graphics are average, if you look at the 20 or so MMOs released in the past 5 years. TORs music and sound effects are above average.

TORs killer feature is the fully voiced and acted NPCs. They walk, talk, pick up things, have facial expressions, yawn, sit in chairs, kick their feet up on the table, laugh, cry, throw things across the room. NPCs that actually some depth to them. Like like OMG like an RPG. lmao  I think having a believable NPCs, fully voiced NPCS, and a good complex story in an MMORPG will be a nice change.  Cause uh I haven't seen it done before successfully.

yeah, the trailers look awesome lol

Originally posted by Erstok

People debating and not liking video games, on a forum? MADNESS!

Meet me in Triboar, I have a special pearl vault to show you.

Originally posted by SlothnChunk

Originally posted by Painlezz

If it's not EVE - MMORPG Fanboy game of choice... It will get slammed unfortunately =(

Best way to judge a community is a look at the "ratings" on the site.  Unless you think EvE is best think on the planet ever, you probably won't find many people with similar tastes here =(

Still, it's a good source for new game releases and information on them.

That doesn't even make sense. According to the reviewers on this site, EVE is the 10th highest scored game. And according to players it's the 5th highest rated.

And yet EVE is 3rd in the world for paid subscribers. So you could argue the scores/ratings are under-represented.

EVE and WoW dominate this site if you look at the popularity and forum hits they get. EQ2 and Rift manage to get up to the top sometimes. But it's a good laugh because EVE and WoW or are so popular and sooooooooo... similar?   <.<

The only pet peeve I have is the people who try to speak for everyone. When someone says "we" dont want this feature or "nobody" likes this game or "our" preferred taste isnt being represented here, I usually just tune them out.

If your case isnt strong enough to be able to confidently speak for yourself, then its probably a case not worth bringing up.

It's funny you say this because until quite recently the game seemed to be getting almost nothing but anticipation. Most people were only worried because of how they've been failed before.

Originally posted by Kaynok

Vintage TOR fanboy trying to do the impossible. Not everyone is going to like the game. And mostly everyone will criticize it in some way shape or form. This is an MMO site community. If you really think you wouldn't see criticizing, then you definitely don't belong on sites like these.

People don't have to play the game in order to criticize it. I don't think people realize how just seeing it is really valuable to an opinion. There are certain things you can tell by just seeing a game in action.

on the other hand most normal people who don't have ulterior motives don't hover in an area that don't like. For example, I played Vanguard, I liked the open areas, but the animations, lack of population, graphical glitches, running around forever boring questing, had me leave. You know how many times I still post there? maybe once in the last 3 years!!! Why is it that there are those who like to use fanboy as if it is something negative hover in places they are not interested in? Maybe because their responses have less to do with open discussions and more about negative publicity? maybe? how u like them apples!!! lol

Originally posted by ajax7

If you don't like the game don't play it, so many people make comments on the game and they haven't played it yet.

Yet most of those that have played it say they liked it. 

Thanks Alex

 

Well first off my response would be.   How do you know?   How many people who say they like the game have actually played it?  How do you know that most people who have played it like it?

Is there some kind of stat tracker?   Beyond a few events with limited time I'm fairly certain anyone with "long term" playtime is under an NDA currently.   I could say I played it at some show and loved it!!  But I've never actually played it... I could say I hate it and you'd say I never played it.. but maybe I am playing it every day.

You started  your post with an assumption of fact and no fact to back it up.

Beyond that games are art and art is subjective.   100 million people could tell you they like this game and that its the best game ever.   You could be all excited .. buy it when it comes out.. log in and think it was garbage.

Who cares what someone else has to say about a game?   Negative or Positive... either YOU are going to like it or you won't.   Which is why when I post stuff about games.. I try to make it clear that what I post is just my opinion.

and even if I like a game... it comes acrosed a bit odd to only like posts that agree with my personal feeling.   Its rather hard to get a broader point of view if I only want to hear the "positive" things because they basicly agree with my personal view.

I love the various viewpoints on this site.   (that's my opinion ;p)

*edit*  oh I wanted to say I saw someone implying this Site was like some kind of EvE fanboy site.   The only reason I ever came here.. well.. lol.. my forum date can clue that in pretty fast...  I play EvE now and again but hardly ever talk about it here.

Originally posted by ajax7

If you don't like the game don't play it, so many people make comments on the game and they haven't played it yet.

Yet most of those that have played it say they liked it.  I'm tired of reading people say they don't like this about the game and they don't like that about it. Stop following the game till one comes out that you like. "Doubt that will happen."

Then I would say to these people well make your own game then. "Not going to happen."

I have been following this game since roumors where coming out of Austin and people where grabbing stuff from biowares garbage.  I have been waiting and watching and I'm quite pleased with this game and how it looks and plays.

Soon I will be enjoying this game with many others StarWars fans in Galaxy far far away from these negative fourms.

From all I've seen the Game is going to do well and have a very good fan base.

These are my positive opinons I hope other positive people reply.

Thanks Alex

 I think the simple solution would be...dont read them then.

Originally posted by ajax7

If you don't like the game don't play it, so many people make comments on the game and they haven't played it yet.

Yet most of those that have played it say they liked it.  I'm tired of reading people say they don't like this about the game and they don't like that about it. Stop following the game till one comes out that you like. "Doubt that will happen."

Then I would say to these people well make your own game then. "Not going to happen."

I have been following this game since roumors where coming out of Austin and people where grabbing stuff from biowares garbage.  I have been waiting and watching and I'm quite pleased with this game and how it looks and plays.

Soon I will be enjoying this game with many others StarWars fans in Galaxy far far away from these negative fourms.

From all I've seen the Game is going to do well and have a very good fan base.

These are my positive opinons I hope other positive people reply.

Thanks Alex

 

Sorry but there's nothing that can be done about that. This site is notorious for being filled with negative nancies who get all hot and bothered that the newest game isn't being catered to them. They haven't realized that the industry has changed since 2004 and players will no longer tolerate boring and tedious grind fests. So anything about this game no matter how small and insignificant  is going to get blown out of proportion. It doesn't matter that this game looks to be leaps and bounds better than any game from the past and is moving the genre to something more interesting. They don't care about voice overs, they don't care about player choice that affects your character and dismiss everything else that is bigger or better than what came before it. They are  like the old fans of silent pictures who fought tooth and nail to stop sound from getting into movies. Some people are just afraid of progress. 

Most people that complain falls into one of these 3 categories:

1. Fans of SWG. These people are upset because they think Star wars games should be like pre-cu SWG and think that Lucasart owns them that.

2. Star wars fans that thinks TOR is messing up the IP. They actually have some point, applying general MMO mechanics to a IP like that isn't without problems. The focus on gear, looting and the holy trinity doesn't fit perfect in the genre and some fans are upset because of that.

3. Fans of released or unreleased games that are scared that TOR will become the next Wow. Not that complaining helps the least but that never stopped people. A new Wow would not be great for the genre, the best would be if a few different games splitted on the top instead so not all games were copies of eachother like they have been the last few years.

Of course there are a few people that can't stand the graphics for estetical reasons as well, but they are a minority.

I hope this game will be really fun to play long term but we just have to wait and see. As a old SW fan I wish they had made the mechanics a little more customized to fit the IP better but that isn't gonna happen. This game do deserve a chance and I will try it, if it is fun enough I will sub to it...  If not then there are other games releasing.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by ajax7

If you don't like the game don't play it, so many people make comments on the game and they haven't played it yet.

Yet most of those that have played it say they liked it.  I'm tired of reading people say they don't like this about the game and they don't like that about it. Stop following the game till one comes out that you like. "Doubt that will happen."

Then I would say to these people well make your own game then. "Not going to happen."

I have been following this game since roumors where coming out of Austin and people where grabbing stuff from biowares garbage.  I have been waiting and watching and I'm quite pleased with this game and how it looks and plays.

Soon I will be enjoying this game with many others StarWars fans in Galaxy far far away from these negative fourms.

From all I've seen the Game is going to do well and have a very good fan base.

These are my positive opinons I hope other positive people reply.

Thanks Alex

 

Sorry but there's nothing that can be done about that. This site is notorious for being filled with negative nancies who get all hot and bothered that the newest game isn't being catered to them. They haven't realized that the industry has changed since 2004 and players will no longer tolerate boring and tedious grind fests. So anything about this game no matter how small and insignificant  is going to get blown out of proportion. It doesn't matter that this game looks to be leaps and bounds better than any game from the past and is moving the genre to something more interesting. They don't care about voice overs, they don't care about player choice that affects your character and dismiss everything else that is bigger or better than what came before it. They are  like the old fans of silent pictures who fought tooth and nail to stop sound from getting into movies. Some people are just afraid of progress. 

There is a differance between "Graphics" and "Asthetics"

This game has really good graphics, but the Asthetics is AMAZING!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3201-Graphics-vs-Aesthetics

In my opinion there isn´t much negativity yet. People liked or disliked the goods and bads of the presentations, dev talks, trailers.

Generally it becomes more negative around a game´s release, when the ugly things become apparent.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by ajax7

If you don't like the game don't play it, so many people make comments on the game and they haven't played it yet.

Yet most of those that have played it say they liked it.  I'm tired of reading people say they don't like this about the game and they don't like that about it. Stop following the game till one comes out that you like. "Doubt that will happen."

Then I would say to these people well make your own game then. "Not going to happen."

I have been following this game since roumors where coming out of Austin and people where grabbing stuff from biowares garbage.  I have been waiting and watching and I'm quite pleased with this game and how it looks and plays.

Soon I will be enjoying this game with many others StarWars fans in Galaxy far far away from these negative fourms.

From all I've seen the Game is going to do well and have a very good fan base.

These are my positive opinons I hope other positive people reply.

Thanks Alex

 

Sorry but there's nothing that can be done about that. This site is notorious for being filled with negative nancies who get all hot and bothered that the newest game isn't being catered to them. They haven't realized that the industry has changed since 2004 and players will no longer tolerate boring and tedious grind fests. So anything about this game no matter how small and insignificant  is going to get blown out of proportion. It doesn't matter that this game looks to be leaps and bounds better than any game from the past and is moving the genre to something more interesting. They don't care about voice overs, they don't care about player choice that affects your character and dismiss everything else that is bigger or better than what came before it. They are  like the old fans of silent pictures who fought tooth and nail to stop sound from getting into movies. Some people are just afraid of progress. 

Right because the old 6 year old stand by of raid, BG, heroics that every main stream game uses ISN'T a grind fest or stale old hat these days. I think you need to give your hard on for SWG vets a rest and wake up to the fact that quite a few of the people bitching about this game aren't oldschool MMO vets but part of the new blood that are sick of modern MMOs following a similar template to the games they started with. I agree quite a bit of criticism about this game has been unfair, but not all of it. I think you need to stop letting your prejudices blind you to the fact that even the newer players are tired of very similar games with a few neat and new bells and whistles. And whether you guys like it or not, they have just as much right to voice their opinions as you do.

There are many many visitors to this forum who basically want to "Stick it to the man" they all played Pre NGE Starwars galaxy, they all tried Wow but quit at level 10 (despite knowing its intricacies inside out), every last one of them will tell you that a triple A sandbox is the future of MMOs and yet will happily trash games like Arch Age.  The fact is this is a place of negativity, the silent majority who will play SW ToR and probably love it dont often voice their opinions here because frankly they dont care to.

SW ToR will be a success it will be a good solid MMO which does a lot of things that other games did well but it will do them all in one place and add a story to them and a bioware narrative.  A few people here cant accept that and want to lable it as vaporware or a failure but and I dont need a crystal ball for this, they will be wrong.

I still find it funny that you have some people still hiding behind this is a place for discussion and if you don't want that then just leave. Yes, this is a web site about MMORPG's. Yes, each game here has a forum for discussion. The problem i'm seeing is that, you have some people who just can't be happy with certain mmo's that they are not interested in.

Why must some people feel like every new game that is coming out, they must have an opinion on it. I couldn't care less about EVE's incarna or even about GW2, AA or TERA. I do find TSW to be interesting, but i have not posted once in that forum.

I really feel like some people are just suffocating the genre in general, by trying to make every game be what they want it to be. Little secret. I drive a toyota, but really want a rolls royce. No matter what i do, it will always be what it will be and nothing more. The same can be said for every mmorpg.

TOR will be what it was created to be, nothing more. You can accept this and move on to another game that suits your playstyle or not. There's no need to try and convice other gamers to see things in a particular way that fits another's playstyle. There's really no need to continue bashing and moan about a certain system that games have that doesn't fit into what is deemed fun.

Don't like a traditonal mmorpg that has upgraded combat, crafting, story, companions, VO and moral choice systems, find one that you do like and go there. It would be more benificial to give feedback to a game's community that has systems that is pointed in the direction you're heading, than in one you could care less about.

Now if you just don't care about this and are just trolling here for jokes and such, then you can be labeled as a douchbag.

Back last September, I started a thread which went on forever with a theory that the negative puplicity is only going to help SWTOR. I still believe this to be the case. It has attacted so much attention and controversy it pulls people from under rocks that will try the game regardless of their posts here. I bet you that even some of them won't admit that they will end up liking it lol. I'd be more worried about the pedistal that this site has GW2 on, because the only place for that game to go is down if they don't meet their rather lofty expectations.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/293290

Originally posted by Kothoses

There are many many visitors to this forum who basically want to "Stick it to the man" they all played Pre NGE Starwars galaxy, they all tried Wow but quit at level 10 (despite knowing its intricacies inside out), every last one of them will tell you that a triple A sandbox is the future of MMOs and yet will happily trash games like Arch Age.  The fact is this is a place of negativity, the silent majority who will play SW ToR and probably love it dont often voice their opinions here because frankly they dont care to.

 

SW ToR will be a success it will be a good solid MMO which does a lot of things that other games did well but it will do them all in one place and add a story to them and a bioware narrative.  A few people here cant accept that and want to lable it as vaporware or a failure but and I dont need a crystal ball for this, they will be wrong.

I love how blind people let themselves be. My whole Vaporware kick is nothing more than a humorous eye poke at the ludacris and shrill level of fanboi and hater hysterics and pants wetting that has surrounded this game since the day it was announced.