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Vesavius
Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
5/31/11 4:02:04 AM#21
Originally posted by Dinendae
Yeah maybe, or it may be have been included in the sales deal to allow them to continue the use of the license. If so, this puts the D&D NWN IP in the hands of PW, which is fucking tragic imo. |
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Lobotomist
Elite Member
Joined: 5/20/07
I got so much |
5/31/11 4:08:19 AM#22
Originally posted by Cacaphony
Perfect World are actually far better than Atari |
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5/31/11 4:11:07 AM#23
Originally posted by vesavius Who else would really want them, other than an Asian company looking to make a presence in North America (or expand that presence)? "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan |
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5/31/11 4:14:20 AM#24
Originally posted by vesavius Atari can't sell the license to another compnay, since Hasbro owns the D&D I.P. (and is suing Atari to revoke said I.P.), but they may be able to sub-license the game to PW. I wonder if Atari has the stones to do that though, considering that they're currently still trying to settle with Hasbro? "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan |
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5/31/11 4:18:48 AM#25
Originally posted by Dinendae Western companies know it would be cheaper to wait for the company to crash and then look to pick up the pieces in a fire sale. PW would seem to want an intact company to ... well, we'll see. |
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5/31/11 4:20:30 AM#26
Originally posted by Lobotomist I couldn't agree more. I used to test games for Infogrames/Atari, and I can attest to the way that everything they touch turns to utter crap, or comes damn near to it.
I was working out of their Sunnyvale, CA offices when they were publishing the first Neverwinter Nights. They sent a small crew of us to Edmonton, Canada to work directly with BioWare's dev team to test the final beta stage of NWN, but we were ill-prepared, and we were sent there to make up for the lack of progress while testing in-house in the states.
I have never felt more ashamed or embarassed as I was in the presence of such cool, talented folks like the guys at BioWare, representing the FailTeam sent up from Infogrames/Atari to pick up the last-minute slack on their baby. It was truly an honor to have worked on the title, even if we were a big let-down for them. While I was up there, I got to see all the various concept art and sample levels they were play testing for Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic at the same time. I left Infogrames/Atari as soon as I returned to the states. That company is truly garbage, and the only thing they're good at is looking for smaller development houses that need a helping hand, snapping them up, then running their franchises into the ground. |
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5/31/11 4:23:11 AM#27
Seems like a good investment for PWI cos Cryptic will produce f2p MMO every 2 years. Bad for Cryptic is that their company will turn to a sweatshop company lol. Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :) |
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5/31/11 4:23:59 AM#28
Great news indeed, now Cryptic can't ruin the great IP of Forgotten Realms with thier Neverwinter. If it's not broken, you are not innovating. |
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5/31/11 4:30:30 AM#29
Originally posted by Torgrim That's not 100% for sure there; remember that Atari may be able to contract out the NWN (while they still hold the franchise license, anyway). "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan |
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5/31/11 4:37:21 AM#30
Here is another article on the sale, basically the same as the first: Link I especially like the following part: "Cryptic Studios, Inc. is a leading developer of massively-multiplayer online role playing games, with a reputation for delivering profitable, on-time, on-budget titles." Ceyptic hasn't been a leader since they sold CoH/Cov to NCSoft. Other than CoH/CoV, neither of Cryptic's current MMOs have been all that profitable; if they were, Atari never would have divested Cryptic. "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan |
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5/31/11 4:42:33 AM#31
Originally posted by Dinendae
For the love of god i really hope not that Atari are that dumb and do that. If it's not broken, you are not innovating. |
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5/31/11 5:00:25 AM#32
Originally posted by Torgrim Actually it would be rather smart of Atari to do that; after all, Cryptic's new owners PW would now have to foot the bill and then give Atari and Hasbro their cuts. This all assumes that PW would even be interested in doing so; after all, NWN isn't going to be a MMO. "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan |
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5/31/11 7:06:47 AM#33
In b4 liquidation. It's going to be a rough time in STO now. I regret ever buying this game and subbing. Now the game is owned by a chinese publisher.. great.. just what I needed *sigh*. Well that's pretty much made this game Free2Play now.
I'm joking about the Liquidation lol. |
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5/31/11 11:19:20 AM#34
And WAY MORE financially-sound and safe. IF anything, this means that hundreds of millions of dollars are on the way towards cryptic new and old titles and future PWE games will have a jump in graphics(due to the purchase of cryptic engine).
Not to mention that for WoTC it would make sense to shfit the rights for that certain title game to Cryptic, since Atari would not even dream in their wettest corporate dreams about the money PWE holds(hint: Atari makes less in a year than PWE in quarter) # A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY |
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Darth_Osor
Apprentice Member
Joined: 2/17/09
Just because you are unique does not mean you are special |
5/31/11 11:40:34 AM#35
Well since Cryptic makes games of F2P crap quality, them being bought by a Chinese company specializing in F2P crap makes sense. I LOL'd when I read "Cryptic Studios' highly reputable development team" in the press release. Here's hoping they just bought Cryptic for their generic engine and folds the studio. |
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5/31/11 7:22:57 PM#36
Originally posted by Yuui Perhaps PW would be interested; then again Torchlight doesn't have a lawsuit hanging over it, that if successful, would revoke all rights to the I.P. Hasbro (which owns WotC) can't shift anything though, not until they win the lawsuit to revoke Atari's rights to the D&D franchise. As for money, ANY company that is in the black, even by $1.00, makes way more money than Atari; Atari has not shown an actual profit for years. PW does have a large amount of money, but don't do what people did at STO's launch and set your hopes too high; I highly doubt that PW is going to throw hundreds of millions of dollars Cryptic's way. What we should see is a larger budget (compared to what they have now) so that the teams might be able to finally expand, and more than likely a move towards STO going the freemium or ftp route, since that is PW's preferred business model. "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan |
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5/31/11 10:31:05 PM#37
All I have to say about this is "Atleast it wasnt SOE that picked up Cryptic". SOE had their shot at scifi MMO's and they blew it. First with aquiring The Matrix Online(which in their defence was already failing) and second with the release of the NGE patch for SWG. Personally I wish it was picked up by a company like BioWare. "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?" |
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6/01/11 1:10:00 AM#38
Originally posted by akiira69 I'd rather see Bioware have about a year's worth of post SW:TOR launch experience (since this will be their first MMO) and then get a license to do their own Star Trek MMO, rather than trying to clean up after Cryptic. "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan |
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6/01/11 1:28:31 AM#39
Originally posted by akiira69 Bioware belongs to EA, they're not going to buy anything unless Daddy gives them the cash |
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6/01/11 1:32:59 AM#40
Originally posted by Darth_Osor I really feel sorry for all those trekkies who bought life time sub to a game that more likely than not will become a Chinese pay to win grinder. |
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