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5/27/11 5:45:06 PM#41
A few general responses.
I see a lot of recommendations that are good but what the OP seemed to imply.. they are outside of the scope..
At the moment I'd agree that the 2500k and 2600k are pretty much the benchmark place to be. However, running relatively moderation resolutions (which are likely on the monitor listed) combined with the 6850... I doubt you are going to notice much of an increase going from the AMD build to the 2500/2600.
Taking that "blue" hard drive out of the build and going for a better performance hard drive will be noticed.
The power supply is a bit expensive.. but corsair is my brand of choice. That said my 850W corsair PSU cost about the same as the 650 listed. When you are looking at various PSU's mentioned in this thread look at the 12V rail Amp ratings... you are likely going to put more of a load on that rail and that is one reason I like Corsair PSU's.
Related to memory I don't see a reason for the OP to go beyond 4GB in their build. What I would recommend is they look at the GSkill 2x2 kits that are CAS 7... for about 11 dollars more. (ripjaw series pretty much).
You can have a very nice low cost build there and alleviate all the bottle neck you can as well. Later on you can always add a better video card etc perhaps when the next generation of cards comes out.
Its a solid build tho I would take one of these...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
lol no paticular reason beyond the fact I love the case. I used it when I bought one of the AMD X3's a while back... I had some of the ballistix ram with the flashing LED's .. it was a trip at night. |
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5/27/11 5:49:09 PM#42
Originally posted by Redemp I am sorry, but that is just a fantasy. His machine will be outdated very quickly. That always happens when you buy the lowest tier of current components. In fact, I currently have more powerful machine (even tho its about two years old) than he is about to buy and still can't run games with anywhere near the max, so please stop lying. Even the card I suggested to him is not going to fix the issue completely (however, it does have a good price/performance ration atm), but at least he would be able to run current games with comfortable resolution for a year or so. "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 5:54:43 PM#43
Originally posted by thexrated You're off your rocker champ, My System : ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
You need to do some research in perfomance bottlenecks for gaming before you begin to question what my machine can and can't do. Every game installed on my system runs at High settings in 1900x1200. |
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5/27/11 5:56:51 PM#44
I am sure they do, as a slide show ;) "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 5:59:36 PM#45
Originally posted by thexrated You want to back up your claims or are you just going to wave your ignorance all over this thread? How about listing the details of your " 2 year old machine" that is better than his?
Also to this " With few dollars more you could get a card like GTX 560 Ti Cu Top (overclocked version). Which should able you to run games with slightly better look. " The 560 Ti score marginally better than the 6850 ... thats a few percent increase in performance, for what? There is no game out there currently that will push this card to the extreme in typical resolutions. Thats also almost a $90.00 jump in price . How about you actually do some research .. here is a good place to start : http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Gamer-Index,2673.html
I'm Still waiting ...... |
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5/27/11 6:20:26 PM#46
Originally posted by Redemp I have few parts that are older and few that are younger,
And some other junk. Processor, MB and memory are a bit older than yours, My new updates coming next week from Germany will be:
And even with that I know that I won't be able to run every game at 1900*1200 with highest settings.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 6:25:30 PM#47
Originally posted by Redemp The normal GTX 560 yes, but not that model I mentioned. It is about 33-35% performance increase to 6850, which quite significant when it comes to frame rates in games. Here is a review of those cards. Check results yourself. http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_asus_gtx560ti/ "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 6:28:40 PM#48
Originally posted by thexrated That system is not better than his .... |
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5/27/11 6:31:14 PM#49
Originally posted by thexrated It absolutely is not ... as long as he is over 60fps you will NEVER notice a diffrence, EVER. It is also not even close to that much of a performance increase ... Here is another chart for you : http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Enthusiast-Index,2674.html
Notice the Frames ? 85 - 72 , with the low grade being 62.
Buying top end hardware is a waste of money , you won't ever utilize it as nothing out currently can. Hell our quad cores are WASTED. |
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5/27/11 6:31:25 PM#50
never get Logitech anything (invest in Razer mouse and keyboard). and get a really good, spaceous mobo to futureproof your box. |
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5/27/11 6:36:04 PM#51
What ever m8, run your games with highest settings at 1900*1200 in your fantasy land. I am out from this discussion, could luck for the OP. I still think you should check that card I mentioned, there have been some very good offers for them at least here in Europe.
here is somethign to ponder for few extra dollars:
"The GTX 560 Ti is a card that is in a position to really make a case for an upgrade. You get performance that is better than the HD 6870, GTX 470, and GTX 460 — all cards that at one point had been or are currently at the $250 price point. The thought process with the naming leads you to believe that the GTX 560 Ti is going to replace the GTX 460, when in fact it is the drop in replacement for the GTX 470. On its own merits, the reference card offers considerable performance improvements due to its revamped architecture and increased clock speeds that allow it to be a game changer for those working on their 3-year upgrade cycle looking to save some loot. The success of the GTX 460, with its serious overclocking credentials, led NVIDIA to really design this offering for the gaming enthusiast. The GTX 560 Ti gets a four phase power circuit, 5Gbps rated GDDR5 memory, all the transistor level tweaks of the GF110, and a cooling solution that really keeps the GF114 core running cool. Even when the voltage and clock speeds were maxed out, the core never went higher than 75 degrees Celsius under load. That alone is impressive for a Fermi-based card. My, how times have changed! As a card designed to hit the right price point for gamers, the rest of the NVIDIA ecosystem needs a mention as well since combining two of the GTX 560 Ti's will bring additional options to get you into an immersive gaming environment. You have 3D Vision to give you that stereoscopic 3D rush, Surround that can be combined with 3D Vision to add to that experience, PhysX for added realism in games that support it, and the GF114's parallel computing architecture that can use CUDA for accelerated image processing in games. All in all, a win. Not only did I look at the stock-clocked reference card from NVIDIA, but also the ENGTX560 Ti DirectCUII TOP from ASUS that takes the performance to another level with its 900MHz core clock speed right out of the box. What I got with this card was a card jam-packed with ASUS-exclusive features that make the card like the Bionic man — Better, Faster, Stronger! ASUS built this card with its Xtreme Design feature set as well as its new SAP (Super Alloy Power) components that include proprietary construction methods for the chokes, MOSFETs, and capacitors. This technology uses highly magnetic, heat resistant, and anti-corrosive metals to reduce power loss, enhance durability, and in the end, have a cooler running component. The end results are chokes that run 35 °C cooler, capacitors that see a 2.5x increase in useful life, and a Super Hybrid engine that gets a 15% performance boost. Lowering the heat output and increasing component life are good things. ASUS took care of the heat from the GPU with its DirectCUII heat pipe, direct contact cooling solution. Instead of a single fan, ASUS equipped this version with dual dust-proof fans that should allow you to keep the card cooler for an extended duration. Everything about this card from ASUS is meant to increase reliability for the long term. You also get GPU Guard, which includes a method of preventing PCB flex with both an adhesive under the GPU socket and a structural brace attached to the spine. These are all features available for a slight upcharge over the suggested e-tail cost of the reference GTX 560 Ti. By slight, we are talking $20. Improved cooling alone is worth that! The performance was good right out of the box with both of these cards and when it came time to overclock them, I was able to hit over 1GHz on the GF114 cores of both cards and well over 1150MHz on the GDDR5 memory. These bumps in performance from overclocking were not just small bumps, but significant jumps in performance, allowing the GTX 560 Ti from NVIDIA and ASUS to wipe the floor with the HD 6870, its direct competitor. Either AMD has some price drops coming soon or it will be conceding the $250 price point to the performance of the GTX 560 Ti." "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 6:37:32 PM#52
Hmmm, well those actually familiar with video card tiers will know where the 5870 still stands in today's specs and I can safely say that there are maybe two games that I cannot run with every single thing on high or maxed @ 1920x1200. The 6800 series is nothing but a power saving version of the 5800 series and the naming scheme changed as well. The 6950 is a bit faster than the 5870, while the 6870 is slower than the 5870. So be aware of that for those who do not know.
The GTX 560 Ti Cu Top is, according to benchmarks, ~5% better than what I have in regular gaming.
Granted, "maxed" may mean different things to different people. Do I need 500x AA? Not @ 1920x1200. Is there a real world, noticeable difference to me of AF x372162 or even in general? Not so much in games where it is twitch or I'm playing a game and paying attention to the combat in front of me, of which AF will only help bring back the details lost in the thin depth of field.
It depends on the eye and preferences, but considering the OP is talking about a 22 inch monitor, I doubt there is much need to worry about AA higher than x2 or x4, let alone a huge bump in AF. |
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5/27/11 6:38:42 PM#53
Originally posted by thexrated Hang your head as you go, you apparantly know jack all about gaming perfomance, much less the capabilities of his system or mine.
@ Tekk -- I'm sure there are some powerhouse games out there that might need something knocked down a bit, nothing I have ever played though. High and Highest settings are subjective in their own right . It just agitated me that someone who comes across as limited in his performance knowledge would look down on someones new build, budget build or not. |
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5/27/11 6:45:41 PM#54
Originally posted by Tekkaman
You might be right that it means different things. Also 5870 is still fairly good card, just like GTX 295 is (except no DX11), the reason I am changing is because of a lot less power consumption and DX11 support. However, 6850 is not even as good card as 5870, as seen on those tests (in my last post). Just as a reminder, my GTX295 actually outperforms 5870 in tests, and I know for a fact that there is no way I could put 1900x1200 on full settings. I can get nice settings sure, but I also know that my processor/mb/memory is getting old. "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 6:48:16 PM#55
Yeah we're not feeding this guy pipe dreams or anything. Plus, who knows what he's coming from really and what his expectations are? That's the whole name of this game.
Either way, good info here for folks to read! |
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5/27/11 6:50:55 PM#56
I've been doing the 1920x1200 (1080p essentially) for well over a year and have seen games come and go. SLI issues aside, the 295 is still a very nice card. There are other variables to performance of course, such as my i7 which helps greatly especially in well done multithreaded games. The architecture is just that much more efficient than even the E7xxx/8xxx series. Those were some of the best chips you could buy for the money during that time. Great choice there. |
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5/27/11 6:51:38 PM#57
Originally posted by Redemp 30-40% performance increase is marginal like you said, but time to get sleep before I actually start thinking that it is possible to win an argument in the internet ;) gn folks. "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 6:55:17 PM#58
Originally posted by thexrated Where in the hell are you getting 30-40% performance increase from? If the 560 Ti was 120% of a performance increase it still begs the questions ... why would you need it? Nothing utilizes the sort of power higher end cards generate. Thats ignoring that the Ti is marketed as a mid-range card , start adding on extras like your listed card has makes that questionable though. |
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5/27/11 7:00:31 PM#59
Originally posted by Redemp You can get the 30-40% from many of the tests in this article: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_asus_gtx560ti/ "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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5/27/11 7:07:40 PM#60
Originally posted by thexrated Just figured out that scripts were turned off on their site, reviewing the charts now. The most i've seen is a 28% diffrence at a 137 - 84 fps , which is close enough to give the 30% increase. Thats only in Arkham ... the rest of the charts are around 5% percent increase. Thats still a $100.00 jump at least for something he does not need. No one will EVER notice a diffrence between 137 frames and 84 .... ever , its a flat out waste of money. His build is a budget build ... just encase we all forgot that. If I was to build a new system today would I buy his card ? No .. simply because I want as close to top end as I can get ( for bragging rights among my buddies ) without exceeding the current markets price points. I drop around 2k every year or two to build a new machine though ... I'm not the budget gamer.
Just so we don't forget what our personal arguement was about "That is a lower tier gaming PC at the moment. You will not be able to run the latest games with a high resolution and all the candies on (or even half). However, if you are satisfied with that, I suppose its ok for less than a year or so. " Which was and is patently absurd, I prove that every time I load a game. I think even Tekk stated he runs at 1920x1200 with high settings on some games, with only two being out of reach. So the statement that he won't be able to run at a high resolution with the candies on .. is absurd.
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