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  Tekkaman

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5/27/11 3:10:05 PM#21

I've been building and selling prebuilt computer for who knows how long and I would like to let you know that I have very few people who actually require going to 8GB, let alone 6GB.

 

However, given the details, I would definitely cut some money from peripheral things that you are looking to purchase such as that mouse pad (despite your issues with the mouse, which I believe are the mouse and not surface problems) and the keyboard. Understand that while the additional macro keys on most gaming keyboards are useful, they are also able to be done with as little as a macro program or even in-game keys. Removing your hands from the standard WASD or the ESDF setups can greatly hinder you upon coming back to the regular keyboard. The idea behind changing your keyboard to ESDF instead of WASD was done so that the pinky could access the keys such as QWAZ easier, hence bringing you four additional keys that do no need to be on the side of a keyboard for you. Most people (standard gaming and consumer community) do not utilize RFVTGB when using standard WASD setups, but become much more available with an ESDF setup.

 

What I'm trying to say, is perhaps you may want to adjust your gaming habits to not only save you some money, but allow you to invest that saved money into additional RAM that others are telling you not to get.

 

The RAM, while not important to you now for your needs, may not be sufficient at a later date. You more than likely, for the next four years, will never use 6GB/8GB but having the additional RAM whenever the time comes will be a hassle you do not have to worry about.

 

Other than that, I think that your build is decent. I would completely rework it and pinch pennies everywhere I could for my own needs, but you are not me nor am I you. My only advice of something to change in your build as an upgrade is definitely the motherboard. I build systems like this often and there usually is not a problem, but as an overall build, it would greatly benefit from jumping up to a few of the motherboards already mentioned.

 

Best of luck and let us know how you like it!

  Betaguy

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5/27/11 3:14:39 PM#22
Originally posted by Tekkaman

I've been building and selling prebuilt computer for who knows how long and I would like to let you know that I have very few people who actually require going to 8GB, let alone 6GB.

 

However, given the details, I would definitely cut some money from peripheral things that you are looking to purchase such as that mouse pad (despite your issues with the mouse, which I believe are the mouse and not surface problems) and the keyboard. Understand that while the additional macro keys on most gaming keyboards are useful, they are also able to be done with as little as a macro program or even in-game keys. Removing your hands from the standard WASD or the ESDF setups can greatly hinder you upon coming back to the regular keyboard. The idea behind changing your keyboard to ESDF instead of WASD was done so that the pinky could access the keys such as QWAZ easier, hence bringing you four additional keys that do no need to be on the side of a keyboard for you. Most people (standard gaming and consumer community) do not utilize RFVTGB when using standard WASD setups, but become much more available with an ESDF setup.

 

What I'm trying to say, is perhaps you may want to adjust your gaming habits to not only save you some money, but allow you to invest that saved money into additional RAM that others are telling you not to get.

 

The RAM, while not important to you now for your needs, may not be sufficient at a later date. You more than likely, for the next four years, will never use 6GB/8GB but having the additional RAM whenever the time comes will be a hassle you do not have to worry about.

 

Other than that, I think that your build is decent. I would completely rework it and pinch pennies everywhere I could for my own needs, but you are not me nor am I you. My only advice of something to change in your build as an upgrade is definitely the motherboard. I build systems like this often and there usually is not a problem, but as an overall build, it would greatly benefit from jumping up to a few of the motherboards already mentioned.

 

Best of luck and let us know how you like it!

 Doesn't matter how whimsical you make your speech sound, you still don't need more than 4GB.... just sayin.

Open everything you run...take a screenshot and prove to me how you are even filling up 3GB of memory...go try  it now...

Oh and might I add, while you are playing an engaging video game.

  Redemp

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Joined: 7/30/05
Posts: 1058

If I didn't respond to you, chances are you're a idiot.

5/27/11 3:22:40 PM#23
Originally posted by sinjin
Originally posted by Redemp

 Win 7 rates its Physical memory usage diffrent from its actual used memory.

 For example ... Of my 8gb 768mb is considered Free memory, which is esentially wasted memory as the system is not allocating it to anything. The majority of my memory is allocated to prefetching ( as you stated ) , while some is delegated to the background processes and actual applications in use. I am aware that the majority is used towards prefetching, but thats not factoring in to actual physical memory used during my gaming sessions. I stated before that I run light loads during gaming sessions so there is no artificial bloat in the background. As a matter of my multitasking while gaming .. I consider it extremely light ...  compared to the majority of gamers I know and play with who normally have many more programs running which are actively being used during gaming.

 If the Orginal poster just wishs to simply play one game at a time , with minimal multitasking or none at all .. then 4gb is enough. If he is one of the ever expanding base of users who actually utilizes his systems capabilities to do more whilst gaming.. then I would suggest 8gb ram. Its cheap ... its effective, and it is far more substantial than any other upgrade to his system. Such as a high end Gpu  or as you mentioned,  a SSD.

 I have Win 7 64 bit, my game going, 5 internet tabs, utorrent, chat relay, notepad, calc, avast (Anti-virus) and some other trashware running and I still don't hit... Im sitting at 1.66GB used...I really don't know what you could be running beside a shit ton of viruses that eat up memory to reach 4GB... I'm floored at you guys.

 I don't get viruses , nor any other meritless software.

 All of my peripherals run their own software , inluding some alternate software running for my headset. ( You never know when a voice mod will be fun ) I typically have one or two voip programs open dependant on what i'm playing. Firefox is always running .. with several other mods attached which surely factor in. Theres the typical security software,  sometimes pandora or itunes. Games are mostly fps's or mmogs ,  rarely do I have more than one running at a time ... unless I am in a mmog multi boxing.

 

 I still don't understand your vendetta against 8gb of ram ..... when clearly there are better choices made in the refrenced build to adjust costs on bloated hardware. Atleast you can utilize more than 4gb ... so the money isn't wasted as you suggest.

  Tekkaman

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Joined: 5/17/05
Posts: 160

5/27/11 3:33:53 PM#24

 Doesn't matter how whimsical you make your speech sound, you still don't need more than 4GB.... just sayin.

Open everything you run...take a screenshot and prove to me how you are even filling up 3GB of memory...go try  it now...

Oh and might I add, while you are playing an engaging video game.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/only4gbneeded.jpg/

 

Believe me, I have many things that require RAM. Although you may not require 4GB, does not mean that others do not. This machine only has 9GB right now and will have 24GB in a few days coming for MY uses. Not yours, MINE.

 

I constantly play with more than one client of games or multiple games going at the same time. I run graphic intensive sites that require heavy caching and am always running multiple avenues of communication. Simply put, I use more than 3GB on a daily basis. I use more than 4GB on a daily basis. And at night, while rendering video, transferring data from drive to external, and running games over night, I am always using 9GB.

 

What may be useless to you is not always useless to others.

 

Thank before you become hurt. This is not the thread to do this, but as proof of operation, I have provided a screenshot of my regular applications open and other things that require memory. 

 

Aside from probably 4 or 5 services which take up no more than 50MB in total, I am familiar with every single task/service running and their needs for my daily life.

 

Next?

  Betaguy

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Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 2620

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5/27/11 3:38:15 PM#25
Originally posted by Tekkaman

 Doesn't matter how whimsical you make your speech sound, you still don't need more than 4GB.... just sayin.

Open everything you run...take a screenshot and prove to me how you are even filling up 3GB of memory...go try  it now...

Oh and might I add, while you are playing an engaging video game.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/only4gbneeded.jpg/

 

Believe me, I have many things that require RAM. Although you may not require 4GB, does not mean that others do not. This machine only has 9GB right now and will have 24GB in a few days coming for MY uses. Not yours, MINE.

 

I constantly play with more than one client of games or multiple games going at the same time. I run graphic intensive sites that require heavy caching and am always running multiple avenues of communication. Simply put, I use more than 3GB on a daily basis. I use more than 4GB on a daily basis. And at night, while rendering video, transferring data from drive to external, and running games over night, I am always using 9GB.

 

What may be useless to you is not always useless to others.

 

Thank before you become hurt. This is not the thread to do this, but as proof of operation, I have provided a screenshot of my regular applications open and other things that require memory. 

 

Aside from probably 4 or 5 services which take up no more than 50MB in total, I am familiar with every single task/service running and their needs for my daily life.

 

Next?

 Not realistic, get a life troll.  I laughed when I seen all the services running in your startup.......... Dude your not gaming with all that shit running..... who does that then complains there computer is slow or the game is not running great....oh yeah... people like you! ROFFLE, you seriously made my day, hell my month... Im a technical guru and I bet even the guys over at Nasa are having a laugh at that screenshot too...

  Redemp

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Joined: 7/30/05
Posts: 1058

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5/27/11 3:44:31 PM#26
Originally posted by sinjin
 

 Doesn't matter how whimsical you make your speech sound, you still don't need more than 4GB.... just sayin.

Open everything you run...take a screenshot and prove to me how you are even filling up 3GB of memory...go try  it now...

Oh and might I add, while you are playing an engaging video game.

 I'm running at 4.18gb used right now .. the rest is cached to prefetching.

 

Applications running  over my idle 1.6-1.72gb used  :   SC2 ,  Win Live email ( I'm at work ) , Two Firefox's , Ventrilo , Itunes and Mspaint.

You can exspect it to drop marginally when I shut my office down for the day, as soon as my buddies are ready to go for the evening you can exspect to have 2-3 voips running instead though.

 

Tekk actually doesn't have that many programs running in his startup , its probably to many for people who only run 4gbs though. We don't complain because we built our systems to be able to handle the load ...  imagine that. My system doesn't so much as stutter when I'm gaming .. or I upgrade.

 

Excuse us for actually utilizing the systems we built ?

 

( Just shut Sc2 down ... it was using atleast 1.8gb ram,  never knew )

  Tekkaman

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Joined: 5/17/05
Posts: 160

5/27/11 3:55:16 PM#27

I was stating that, when playing, I am using more than the shown GB of RAM. I do not claim my computer is slow. As you can see, less than 15% overhead required for daily tasks. The single game open is taking 1.2GB of RAM right now.

 

Sometimes, people use their computer for additional things. This is now you attempting to create the argument of who uses 4GB rather than stating reasons that the original poster should or should not go from 4GB and higher.

 

You are isolating your case based off of your experiences, which from the sounds of it, are not limited but in comparison to my own and others here, are limited. In your situation you may not require more than 4GB. In my situation, I do.

 

Sometimes running a web server/hosting files and constant caching requires this additional RAM. I would love to see you say that someone running a Linux/Unix based box does not require more than 1GB RAM because it uses so little. Prefetching/Caching is perhaps beyond you sir.

 

As I said, any and all processes running are required on a daily basis for this specific machine's use and it is my daily machine.

 

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To the original poster:

 

I hope that, if you have read through any of this nonsense, that you see where your uses may lie and that you can make an educated guess as to what your standards and requirements are for the new machine.

 

My suggestion is definitely the motherboard upgrade over anything else. It is much easier to replace RAM than an entire motherboard later on.

 

Best of luck!

  Tekkaman

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Joined: 5/17/05
Posts: 160

5/27/11 3:58:23 PM#28
Originally posted by Redemp
Originally posted by sinjin
 

 Doesn't matter how whimsical you make your speech sound, you still don't need more than 4GB.... just sayin.

Open everything you run...take a screenshot and prove to me how you are even filling up 3GB of memory...go try  it now...

Oh and might I add, while you are playing an engaging video game.

 I'm running at 4.18gb used right now .. the rest is cached to prefetching.

 

Applications running  over my idle 1.6-1.72gb used  :   SC2 ,  Win Live email ( I'm at work ) , Two Firefox's , Ventrilo , Itunes and Mspaint.

You can exspect it to drop marginally when I shut my office down for the day, as soon as my buddies are ready to go for the evening you can exspect to have 2-3 voips running instead though.

 

Tekk actually doesn't have that many programs running in his startup , its probably to many for people who only run 4gbs though. We don't complain because we built our systems to be able to handle the load ...  imagine that. My system doesn't so much as stutter when I'm gaming .. or I upgrade.

 

Excuse us for actually utilizing the systems we built ?

 

( Just shut Sc2 down ... it was using atleast 1.8gb ram,  never knew )

 

Ha, good look on SC2. I didn't know it ate up that much either. I just run it because *gasp* I have the RAM to and never have to complain.

 

All in all, well said and defended. He doesn't seem to understand that everyone's uses are different. Also, due to my skinning, you can only see I believe 9 open applications, not including the background ones in the bottom right. These are simple, common tasks.

 

Eh, to each his own hahaha.

 

The real question is - What is utilization?

 

DUN DUN DUN!

 

Have a good day folks.

  Quizzical

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5/27/11 4:00:57 PM#29

The reason that actual memory requirements for most people will stall for quite some time short of the 4 GB mark is largely due to the transition from 32-bit programs to 64-bit.  A 32-bit program cannot address more than 2 GB of memory.  Essentially all games are 32-bit programs.  That means that the game cannot use more than 2 GB of system memory.

If you have 4 GB, then that leaves at least 2 GB for everything else on your system that you have while a game is running.  That's more than enough for Windows 7 itself, plus a browser with dozens of tabs open, a spreadsheet, a voice chat program, and some other assorted junk.

Games tend not to come close to that 2 GB cap, either, so in reality, you have substantially more than 2 GB available for everything except the game.  I'm guessing that game designers are hesitant to come near the 2 GB limit, as if you briefly go slightly over the limit, I'm not sure what would happen, but it would probably be bad.  The program crashing is my best guess.

That cap will remain in place until games move to 64-bit programs.  But there are some strong reasons for games not to do this just yet.  For starters, a 64-bit program will not run on a 32-bit operating system.  Make your game 64-bit, and you lock out a large fraction of your potential customers.  According to the Steam Hardware Survey, more than 1/5 of gamers running Windows 7 use a 32-bit version.  That includes a lot of relatively new computers, and people won't be able to run 64-bit programs until they replace the machine, likely years from now.

Thus, even if a game wants to make a 64-bit version of the game, they pretty much also have to make a 32-bit version.  And that means you either have two very different code paths to maintain and debug, or else the 64-bit version has to be nearly identical to the 32-bit version and respect the same 2 GB memory cap.  Or both.  And two different code paths for a single game isn't practical for the overwhelming majority of the market.

By the time 64-bit operating systems are ubiquitous enough that game companies commonly feel free to make a 64-bit game that uses over 2 GB of system memory, a computer that you buy today will likely be obsolete and replaced.  Even if not, 8 GB of memory then will be cheaper than 4 GB today.  For that matter, 16 GB then might be cheaper than 4 GB today.

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When to move from 4 GB up to 8 GB in a build is a matter of budget and priorities.  It's pretty obvious that someone looking to spend $2000 excluding peripherals should get 8 GB.  Someone looking to get a $500 gaming computer excluding peripherals obviously should not.  Where to draw the line depends considerably on how the person will use the computer, and is partially a matter of opinion.

Excluding peripherals, before moving to 8 GB of memory, I'd prioritize:

Core i5 2500 or better processor

A relatively cheap aftermarket processor heatsink and fan

GeForce GTX 560 Ti or Radeon HD 6950 or better video card

A good solid state drive with over 100 GB of usable capacity

A high end power supply (loosely, the Seasonic or Super Flower gold platforms)

A high quality P67 motherboard that is substantially overengineered for what is needed at stock speeds

Now, a lot of those are debatable.  I put more value on reliability than most gamers, which is why I have a UPS and do daily incremental data backups along with periodic image backups of my SSD.  And I wouldn't even recommend prioritizing all of those over 8 GB of memory to other people, though a gaming system really does need the processor and video card, at least.

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Actually, what really matters for usage patterns is how the person buying the computer will use it.  Check how much memory you're using at the busiest times, in the way that you use your current computer.  If you're never touching 3 GB today, then 4 GB is plenty.  If you're already pushing past 4 GB in use today and running into noticeable slowdowns from paging to disk, then you need to get 8 GB in the new computer.

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You play StarCraft II at work?

  Karesh

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OP  5/27/11 4:13:10 PM#30
Originally posted by Tekkaman

I was stating that, when playing, I am using more than the shown GB of RAM. I do not claim my computer is slow. As you can see, less than 15% overhead required for daily tasks. The single game open is taking 1.2GB of RAM right now.

 

Sometimes, people use their computer for additional things. This is now you attempting to create the argument of who uses 4GB rather than stating reasons that the original poster should or should not go from 4GB and higher.

 

You are isolating your case based off of your experiences, which from the sounds of it, are not limited but in comparison to my own and others here, are limited. In your situation you may not require more than 4GB. In my situation, I do.

 

Sometimes running a web server/hosting files and constant caching requires this additional RAM. I would love to see you say that someone running a Linux/Unix based box does not require more than 1GB RAM because it uses so little. Prefetching/Caching is perhaps beyond you sir.

 

As I said, any and all processes running are required on a daily basis for this specific machine's use and it is my daily machine.

 

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To the original poster:

 

I hope that, if you have read through any of this nonsense, that you see where your uses may lie and that you can make an educated guess as to what your standards and requirements are for the new machine.

 

My suggestion is definitely the motherboard upgrade over anything else. It is much easier to replace RAM than an entire motherboard later on.

 

Best of luck!

Yeah it's definitely helped. I'm planning on getting a cheaper keyboard and putting that money to use in a better motherboard and higher ram. Maybe a different power supply too.

  Onigod

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5/27/11 4:20:42 PM#31

that wil work but ASUS really has bad costumer service and they are famous for their high amount of laptop / computer screens that tend to break from the inside after some time.

  Redemp

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5/27/11 4:20:52 PM#32
Originally posted by Quizzical

"SC2 , Win Live email ( I'm at work )"

You play StarCraft II at work?

 I have an awesome job, yet its boring most the time.

Hurry up and wait is a daily rule.

  Tekkaman

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5/27/11 4:44:16 PM#33
Originally posted by Karesh
Yeah it's definitely helped. I'm planning on getting a cheaper keyboard and putting that money to use in a better motherboard and higher ram. Maybe a different power supply too.

Corsair branded PSU/power supplys  are made from some of the better ones out there, so no worries on that. If you want to stick with the modular power supply (the kind that allows you to add and remove cables as you need, rather than it coming with a billion cables you may not use), then the one you chose is not bad. Personally I don't always care about modular connections but it may be a bit cramped in your case unless you route your wires behind one of the side panels very well.

 

If you decide to not go with a modular power supply, you can definitely go with:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&cm_re=650w_corsair-_-17-139-005-_-Product

 

Definitely not bad and nets you an additional $30 to use.

 

That extra $30 can bring you to GTX 560 levels, which will be one of the most noticeable differences in your gaming experience.

 

As was previously said, the Sandy Bridge processors from Intel would be my recommendation around this price point because they make such a huge difference compared to even last year's i3, i5, and i7 processors. Something like this may be worth your while:

Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146025

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073

Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128487

Graphics Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231179

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136767

Monitor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236100

Speakers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121014

 

Subtotal - $987.91

I tried to keep it within $100 of your original build.

NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811146025
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
 
-$30.00 Instant
$89.99
$59.99
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811146025
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
 
-$30.00 Instant
$89.99
$59.99
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811146025
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
 
-$30.00 Instant
$89.99
$59.99
  Redemp

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5/27/11 4:49:56 PM#34

 I can't stress enough how important airflow will be in your build,  if you choose not to go with modular AND stick with that case you need to spend a good while ensuring everything is ziptied down and not clumping the critical areas.

  Tekkaman

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5/27/11 4:51:39 PM#35
Originally posted by Redemp

 I can't stress enough how important airflow will be in your build,  if you choose not to go with modular AND stick with that case you need to spend a good while ensuring everything is ziptied down and not clumping the critical areas.

Agreed.

 

Not sure where else to pull from unless the OP has additional room for the budget.

 

If you do have room, go for the modular and save yourself an extra hour of setting up zip ties and routing so many wires and getting mad when some cables won't move where you want because the others are too stiff and block your other wires hahaha.

  Redemp

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5/27/11 4:55:25 PM#36

Edited this out : The cases are to similar to really compare against each other. One offers increases space to support airflow ,  the other a management system and less space.

 

Sorry for the confusion.

  lunatis

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5/27/11 4:59:52 PM#37

It's a nice DX11 system, are you sure that the motherboard has all the inputs that you need? Does your processor come with a heatsink already?

Just the few things to check and you're good to go!

  gigat

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5/27/11 5:18:41 PM#38

For casual computer users, I don't see a need for more than 4GB. For power users, 4GB+ is good.

 

In my case, I like to run virtual machines. I run a Linux host, and a Windows 7 guest. My Windows 7 guest has 2GB allocated. Then on top of that, with 8GB of physical memory, I can run a few more guests. In addition, I can play a video game. I can also run Inkscape and Monodevelop, and various other apps.

 

I'm a developer, so I tend to push my computer to its limits. I can develop .Net applications in Linux with Mono, then test them on my Windows 7 guest. Or the other way around.

 

 

If you think you'll need more than 4GB, then get more. Otherwise save your pennies.

  thexrated

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5/27/11 5:41:31 PM#39

That is a lower tier gaming PC at the moment. You will not be able to run the latest games with a high resolution and all the candies on (or even half). However, if you are satisfied with that, I suppose its ok for less than a year or so.

With few dollars more you could get a card like GTX 560 Ti Cu Top (overclocked version). Which should able you to run games with slightly better look.

"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."

  Redemp

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5/27/11 5:45:06 PM#40
Originally posted by thexrated

That is a lower tier gaming PC at the moment. You will not be able to run the latest games with a high resolution and all the candies on (or even half). However, if you are satisfied with that, I suppose its ok for less than a year or so.

With few dollars more you could get a card like GTX 560 Ti Cu Top (overclocked version). Which should able you to run games with slightly better look.

 He should be able to run all the latest and greatest games pretty darn close to max with his current build, his Gpu is perfectly adequate for anything he can throw at it. He will have to keep his resolution to a acceptable size .. but other than that the system will perform.

 

 I run a comparable system to the one he is building, with a few minor diffrences and I can run everything I want on high settings at 1900x1200 ( native ). There is a huge diffrence between bleeding edge technology and its actual use when it comes to gaming. The fiscally minded buyer should always look for the price point on his purchases,  don't settle on an inadequate build ... but don't over pump it with hardware that won't ever be utilized.

 

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