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5/25/11 5:39:05 PM#61

As someone who actually enjoyed AoC to a degree and would definitely be playing "Freemium" AoC if it was done right, I am going to say the same thing about this as I did about EQII and CO's "Freemium" models. If you don't add more to a la carte, and allow people to pick and choose what features they want to buy, this will fail horribly just like it did for those titles. If you want to do it right, follow the businiess model that Turbine uses, otherwise forget about it right now. Also, I see that there are some weapons and armor that are oging to be buyable? Be VERY careful with this... 

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5/25/11 6:02:15 PM#62



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5/25/11 7:04:35 PM#63

All this will do is saturate the existing servers with people who are too cheap to invest in the game, forcing the existing player base to deal with them. If they really wanted to attract a better, more constistent playerbase, a good starting place would be to break out of the $15 a month mold and reduce the sub rate to $10.

As Turbine did with LOTRO, this is just a slap in the face to the people who already love the game by opening the Hyborian kingdoms up to an invasion by the worst of the WoW "community".  Good luck and godspeed.

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5/25/11 7:36:25 PM#64

I might be missing something still the 3 years of content seems very thin.


With the launch of the movie I would have expected something more: an Xpack.


The game has certainly been improved still many issues stands especially the bad UI that's killing the fun.

3 years later we are still unable to rebind some very important key nor scale the UI.


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5/25/11 7:36:48 PM#65

This game should of been f2p from the beginning it just isn't P2P worthy.

Sure the game has lots of classes to choose from and it's very different compared to other mmos but i played it and i payed but i quit after a week because i felt it didn't deserve my money every month.

It's a great game if it's F2P.


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5/25/11 8:01:16 PM#66


It's sad that it had to come to this, but I am glad I will get to play the rest of the game. Cause I just always had a hard time paying for it...

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5/25/11 8:24:44 PM#67

Honestly I thought they should have made a F2P option 6-12 months ago as low server populations were one of the main reasons I left, too few players means too few groups to go godslayer mode instances in khitai or run T3 and T4 raids which is basically all there is to do at endgame, oh and grind faction in Khitai yay.


Still even with a population boom there is little to do at endgame and I cant see this helping much longterm, they need a better endgame vision.


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5/25/11 8:34:19 PM#68
Originally posted by Golelorn

This will probably turn AoC into a major powerhouse. It was only lacking population, imo.


I hope EQ2 does this. I'd love more players to fight in the BGs. Only the 30-39 tier has any action.

 EQ2 did this a year ago, lol its called eq2 extended the live servers are seperate and there keeping the free to play seperated from that sub model.


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5/25/11 8:37:56 PM#69


After struggling to get AOC working again, and finding solutions, I got it up and running this morning, then found this news:

#1 The expansion I was going to buy is now useless unless I sub.  I was planning on buying it for 10$ and deciding whether I would stay after a month.


#2 Two of my 3 character classes are on the restricted list.

#3 My preorder mounts are on the restricted list.

#4 This game is not polished enough for $15 a month.


They should have just lowered the sub fee to $5.

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5/25/11 8:43:22 PM#70

I played aoc at launch and returned for a month now and again and in my experience aoc had just about the worst community that I've ever experienced in a mmo with the exception of lotro when the floodgates opened on the ftp launch and  the waves of human trash desended on middle earth.

Should be interesting when the same caliber of players are unleashed in aoc and they can fight it out in hyboria this time.



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5/25/11 8:58:14 PM#71
Originally posted by Souldrainer

#1 The expansion I was going to buy is now useless unless I sub.  I was planning on buying it for 10$ and deciding whether I would stay after a month.

 #2 Two of my 3 character classes are on the restricted list.

I don't know how it is for your mount, but from what I read if you've bought the expansion and the original game, then you'll have access to those classes and content except for some dungeons and such, even if you decide to go F2P.

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5/25/11 9:00:58 PM#72

Too funny be far.

If your silly enough to listen to the defenders,the devs meant all along for the game to be unable to hold players.They spent all that cash, and time,and even put some work into the game all so they could slowly sink into a free to play disaster.....

And low and behold,this particular massive failure ,isnt really a failure,becuase other mmo dev teams have done just as badly.....


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5/25/11 9:07:06 PM#73

Great News!

I am giving this another try. Awesome setting and a great and exciting mood. Different and more mature than most MMOs out there.




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5/25/11 9:10:23 PM#74

This is correct anyone who already have the expansion will get acces if they go f2p.

f2p have  classes they can play if they start a new acount but old acount can still play thier old classes reguardless if they belong in the f2p or p2p section, you will be resticted to two characters however.

the biggest problem i currently see is the chat/trade restrictions. this might be come troublesome in order to hook f2p players and the current comunity. get teams going and alike.

a other "problem" people will face is the high end gameplay, make no mistake being a p2p or f2p player does not egual old time players. the Alternate advancement and pvp level ranking makes vet players almost godlike compared to new player, if the increase in players (f2p or p2p) is high enough then this might resolve itself (new 80's fight new 80's  old vets do thier own thing)  if its not then the new folks will defintly find themself laying down on the group in two hits alot.


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5/25/11 9:12:41 PM#75

All games should be subscriptionless. if can do it with Guild Wars, anyone can!



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5/25/11 9:29:38 PM#76
Originally posted by bigsmiff

 Lotro has the best f2p model on the market. I quit Lotro several times because I felt like I wasn't getting my bang for the buck. Then...I started playing when f2p was adopted and I really got into the content. Now I am a subscriber again. I am sure the same thing will happen with AoC if their f2p model is similar to lotro. I have several friends that have been waiting for this announcement. They wouldn't leave their current games to play AoC as a subscriber. But, they said they would go back to it in a second if it went f2p.

Hmm, I might have to try LOTRO sometime this week then.

It's PvE mostly, right (which I like)? Can you do dungeons even though you're not a full subscriber?


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5/25/11 9:31:04 PM#77
Originally posted by Arthineas
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Turbine has ruined LotRO with their F2P model (one that constantly moves towards selling more and more in game advantages and benefits exclusively in their store).

Is Funcom going to be honest about this or are they going to doubletalk through a bunch of marketing speak like Turbine does?

My bet is they will ruin their game for the hobbyist gamer and sellout to the insta-grat F2P crowd.

You think Turbine ruined Lotro with their F2P model lol?  Wow you are in the minority then.  I was a founder with Lotro and have since played it both as a free player and VIP post F2P.  Turbine has done a GREAT job with their F2P model.  As a matter of fact it is the best implemented of any company.  The only thing that comes close is their other game DDO.  The game itself has only continued to improve.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but like I said most people would disagree with you.  Hell even PC Gamer gave it their mmorpg of the year award and our own gave it F2P of the year. 

I probably am in the minority.  I am a founder that has finally cancelled my subscription after 4 years.

The sub no longer buys me a P2P game experience.  Turbine sells game advanatages in the store and not only that they sell store exclusive game advantages that are better than what you can earn in game.  That's a deal breaker and a game ruiner for me.

I would like to give Funcom the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not doing that for any publisher or developer anymore.  They can earn trust, respect and my dollars.  I like AoC, but I'm not a fan of hybrid or freemium models.  Every F2P or freemium game I've played has ended up leaving a bad taste in my mouth because it ends up costing an idiotic amount of money to play the 'full' game.

I'll keep and eye on Funcom and how they handle this, but I'll be surprised if they don't go for the money grab.  Just looking at their points page and costs, they are expensive.  I have 600FC points ($5) left over from purchasing a couple character slots a year ago.  That buys me pretty much nothing (the 5 potion pack).  The only decent thing they offer now is the account wide ports for $30 (ooh, what a bargain).

This is probably a great move for the insta-grat F2P gamer, but not likely as much for a dedicated hobby gamer.  I'm gladly paying $10/mo for RIFT and get it all for that price.

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5/25/11 9:34:03 PM#78

Yes you can play Lotro for free through the lonelands which gives you one instance in the Great Borrows which has 3 parts. You get points from playing the game and can then use them for other things in game. And yes it can be played for free. If people can go from 1-80 in AoC in a week then you can play Lotro Free just learn the starting deeds for Bree, Erud Luin and The Shire and you can earn about 900 to 1000 TP on one character if you do this a couple times you can earn alot of the content.

To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.


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5/25/11 10:18:41 PM#80
Originally posted by erictlewis
Originally posted by Golelorn

This will probably turn AoC into a major powerhouse. It was only lacking population, imo.


I hope EQ2 does this. I'd love more players to fight in the BGs. Only the 30-39 tier has any action.

 EQ2 did this a year ago, lol its called eq2 extended the live servers are seperate and there keeping the free to play seperated from that sub model.

No, EQ2 did nothing like what AoC is doing. In some warped, f-ed up way I guess its kinda like it, but in a very fail way.

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