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  User Deleted
5/24/11 10:52:31 AM#21
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by Vhaln

And while the graphics are impressive, it drove me crazy that Geralt always seemed to be blocking my view, with no way to either pan out, or switch to 1st person.

 

I think the camera is the weakest part of the game. I am hoping they fix it. I also hated the looting.

Everything else was great I thought (other than the QTE but that can be turned off).

Fully agree with the looting what a pain in the butt, kill wait wait wait loot ><

  Haegemon

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5/24/11 11:03:41 AM#22
Originally posted by ravtec
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by Vhaln

And while the graphics are impressive, it drove me crazy that Geralt always seemed to be blocking my view, with no way to either pan out, or switch to 1st person.

 

I think the camera is the weakest part of the game. I am hoping they fix it. I also hated the looting.

Everything else was great I thought (other than the QTE but that can be turned off).

Fully agree with the looting what a pain in the butt, kill wait wait wait loot ><

Stopping in-combat looting is fine, otherwise it should be like a 3-4sec animation where you leave yourselve wide open to being murdered, pushed back to last save, and physically reinforce why combat-looting wouldn't/doesn't happen.

 

Now, making the targeting of lootable crates/containers not suck, yes please. Targeting the bags and boxes all over is just tedious for how small an area they give you and how vague the "center-screen" point is when its just panning Geralt's head around.

 

Though for actual camera controls, I hope they don't do anything more than maybe one more setting of zoom out. I remember reading dev comments how the game is heavily inspired by Demon's Souls as well, and is probably taking camera cues from that.

A big part in both is that the camera can/should be used to accent information denial against the player. It's by design they don't want you seeing the battlefield 360, its by design that you have specific fields of view.

Can this design flex in some cases, say FOV angle and maybe a little more camera pull back, that'd be cool.

But IMHO, it should always have some sort of physical lock to Geralt where he's at least 10-15% of screen real-estate and no more than 240deg of situational awareness capability from any one facing.

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  gaeanprayer

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5/24/11 11:20:13 AM#23

Originally posted by slpr





Originally posted by causs






This games beates Bioware their RPGs by far (except Mass Effect 1&2). The Witcher was amazing in every way, the Witcher 2 is from another planet. The developer gives so much support as well.







 



It's your opinion, but i disagree.




Beats Bioware RPG's in what?! story? no. Combat? no, it's clunky and frustranting. Polish? no, the game is full of bugs and lacks optimization which is terribly annoying. Another over-hyped game... it's a good game, but isn't the best game ever. ME 1 & 2 and even DA: Origins are better and more fun than this. Hell i loved the original witcher, but i was really disappointed with this game. My personal review is 8/10.



 

This :-\ I don't understand why this game is so highly praised. I wouldn't have even given it an 8/10 just for that abysmal thing that call 'combat'. I don't care if it gets easier, I ~don't want it to get easier~, I want the combat to flow. I want to be challenged but still feel like I actually have control over my actions. I don't want to take an additional two steps forward after I stop moving, I don't want every sword swing to turn into an elven dance, how do people find this okay?

 

If all I cared about was story, I'd read a book. Which coincidentally is what I'm doing, reading the books. Hell of a lot more entertaining than playing the game.


 

Skyrim is the only thing that can save this year, and I have a lot of faith it will. Every other RPG that came out this year can kiss my ass.


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  delta9

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5/24/11 11:41:01 AM#24

The Witcher imo has awful combat and GUI (feels like its more designed for consoles), I tried it but I dont like it at all


It seems this game is either one you love or hate


Personally I dont rate it better than Biowares games what so ever


  Vagelisp

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5/24/11 12:16:49 PM#25

 

I miss the 3 fighting styles The Witcher 1 had. Why did they remove those? You can't use potions in combat. You hit z to highlight items in the world and you can't zoom out to get a better view of the action. It's like DA2 vs DA. It's looking amazing but it's not as enjoyable like its predecessor imo.

  shakermaker0

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5/24/11 12:18:25 PM#26

I think it comes down to what you want from an RPG - Witcher 2 is not an open world explorer in the vein of Bethesda and never proports to be so, it is a deep, engaging story-driven affair that is as good as the time spent with it learning every little detail and sub-plot. As mentioned the combat is hit and miss but not to the point of breaking the game, and the design is definitley not skewed towards console leanings - the game hasn't even been confirmed for a cross platform release yet.


The great thing about CD Projekt as a developer is that their games don't feel like BioWare or Bethesda or other RPG companies, they are unique and their own making - the Witcher series IMO is one of those great series that makes me proud be a goblin botherer.


  Gormok

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5/24/11 12:32:38 PM#27

  I don't get what all the hype is over this game.What nudity, cursing,ingame sex? Yawn I can get that on a Showtime channel. I played this game for 1 day and than unstalled it, i didn't find it interesting nor fun. I am glad I didn't go out and waste 50$ bucks on this.


  Requiamer

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5/24/11 12:36:10 PM#28

Originally posted by snoocky




Originally posted by Requiamer



Honestly i didn't liked The witcher very much, especially the combat system was horrible to me. Found Arcania Gothic 4 to be way way better, in pretty much every domain.







 




 That's because Arcania is to simple, and fighting is just like any Mmorpg, click, click click



 


 They have very similar combat system, when the combos are trigered by a good timing. But in Gothic 4 it just worked much better, and movement of the toon was also a lot better to me at least. In the witcher it was as if your toon need half a second to react, was very anoying especially because you needed to have a good clicking timing but your toon was just way of your timing, was plain bad.


 


Also maybe the combat is better in the witcher 2? How is it compare to The witcher?


  DJJazzy

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5/24/11 12:52:02 PM#29

The Witcher 2's combat is tolerable at least. In the Witcher it was downright horrible.

  Yavin_Prime

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5/24/11 1:17:15 PM#30
Originally posted by causs

This games beates Bioware their RPGs by far (except Mass Effect 1&2). The Witcher was amazing in every way, the Witcher 2 is from another planet. The developer gives so much support as well.

 Call me petty but I won't believe that untill they allow character customization. What I mean is gender. The game looks great, and I may go out and buy the first one later in the year just to see what I've been missing but on a personal note I've always hated RPGs that don't let you have some say in who you are in the game. I don't mind presets but give your players an option. On the flip side the game looks great as doe the screenshots. So don't think I'm bashing the game, I'll probably give it a shot, but when the price goes down a bit.

  GroovyFlower

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5/24/11 1:24:27 PM#31

I can understand why many like this game and i can't argue about taste.

But for me when i have limited freedom, a world with alot invisble barriers and glued to ground(no jump) camara specially in small areas is terible, plus fact that game specially in many cases forces you to fights they take away my freedom and i have feeling i need a gamepad instead of keyboard+mouse im out and give this game a 6/10 becouse its not a realy a pc game.

  Rawiz

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5/24/11 1:25:03 PM#32
Originally posted by Yavin_Prime
Originally posted by causs

This games beates Bioware their RPGs by far (except Mass Effect 1&2). The Witcher was amazing in every way, the Witcher 2 is from another planet. The developer gives so much support as well.

 Call me petty but I won't believe that untill they allow character customization. What I mean is gender. The game looks great, and I may go out and buy the first one later in the year just to see what I've been missing but on a personal note I've always hated RPGs that don't let you have some say in who you are in the game. I don't mind presets but give your players an option. On the flip side the game looks great as doe the screenshots. So don't think I'm bashing the game, I'll probably give it a shot, but when the price goes down a bit.

The Witcher is based on a novel series, and the main character in that tale is a MAN (in gender at least) named Geralt of Rivia. It's not a random fiction adventure like Mass Effect, where you can play either gender.

Personally I loved Witcher 1 and played it through several times, I've not yet finished Witcher 2, but I'm not disappointed to say the least.

  jpnole

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5/24/11 1:35:53 PM#33

Originally posted by Requiamer



Honestly i didn't liked The witcher very much, especially the combat system was horrible to me. Found Arcania Gothic 4 to be way way better, in pretty much every domain.



 


Myself, and apparently most others would disagree:


http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/arcania-gothic-4


http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings


  darkscape

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5/24/11 1:41:13 PM#34

Originally posted by slpr





Originally posted by causs






This games beates Bioware their RPGs by far (except Mass Effect 1&2). The Witcher was amazing in every way, the Witcher 2 is from another planet. The developer gives so much support as well.







 




It's your opinion, but i disagree.




Beats Bioware RPG's in what?! story? no. Combat? no, it's clunky and frustranting. Polish? no, the game is full of bugs and lacks optimization which is terribly annoying. Another over-hyped game... it's a good game, but isn't the best game ever. ME 1 & 2 and even DA: Origins are better and more fun than this. Hell i loved the original witcher, but i was really disappointed with this game. My personal review is 8/10.



 


Man you are so right. Those recycled maps, spawning out of thin air enemies and exploding mobs are awesome.


Not to mention how the entire game is built around Blood Mages but you just happen to speciailize in one and are rolling around town with no worry. The stupid dialogue wheel with options like "I want to be a Dragon" responses and othere idiotic thing is very very immersive.


DA2 is a steaming pile of poo. Look at user reviews, the majority wins and you are a fanboy.


 

  Larsa

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5/24/11 1:44:32 PM#35
Originally posted by DJJazzy

The Witcher 2's combat is tolerable at least. In the Witcher it was downright horrible.

Funny, because for me it's exactly the other way round: I find the combat in Witcher 2 horrible (I've stopped playing the game by now) and found combat in Witcher 1 just about tolerable. Just shows that different people have different preferences I guess.

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  DJJazzy

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5/24/11 1:56:14 PM#36

Fair enough Larsa, different strokes for different folks.

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5/24/11 1:59:15 PM#37

Based on what I have been reading, the majority of people seem to love this game, so I have been waiting to see what Gamespot would give it.  They gave it a 9.0, which is shockingly high, considering Portal 2 was given a 9.0 and was touted as a masterpiece by G4.com.  Love it or hate it, you have to give CDP props for coming out of left field with a game this unexpectedly good.  I had never even heard of them before this, but I suspect they will remain on people's radar from now on, simply for the quality of RPG they have created.

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  Rawiz

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5/24/11 2:04:38 PM#38
Originally posted by Raventree

Based on what I have been reading, the majority of people seem to love this game, so I have been waiting to see what Gamespot would give it.  They gave it a 9.0, which is shockingly high, considering Portal 2 was given a 9.0 and was touted as a masterpiece by G4.com.  Love it or hate it, you have to give CDP props for coming out of left field with a game this unexpectedly good.  I had never even heard of them before this, but I suspect they will remain on people's radar from now on, simply for the quality of RPG they have created.

Well, they were already well known for Witcher 1. Witcher 2 is not unexpectedly good, unless you've never even heard of the 1st game. Actually I came to expect Witcher 2 to deliver like it did for me at least, I wouldn't have accepted anything less from CD Projekt.

I can't imagine a proper RPG player who had not at least heard of Witcher earlier.

  Requiamer

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5/24/11 2:35:42 PM#39
Originally posted by jpnole

Originally posted by Requiamer



Honestly i didn't liked The witcher very much, especially the combat system was horrible to me. Found Arcania Gothic 4 to be way way better, in pretty much every domain.



 

Myself, and apparently most others would disagree:


http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/arcania-gothic-4


http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings

I'm not the kind of guy that will change his opinion listening to others.

I played both games and compared them with my knowledge, which is good enough i assure you.

I also played a lot of games people hated, and hated games other loved. So thats not a problem with me, its my opinion anyway i don't make critic over a list of grade or whatever would make it valid to people.

I still can backup my though when it come the THe WItcher (the first) and Gothic 4. Gameplay of the gothic is better and less buggy, animations the same, better quality history and dialogs for sure. Gothic is overall less rich, but just play way better, which is not strange since the witcher is made 3 years before Gothic 4.

Metacritic already made some nice mistakes, now i don't know about those particular games i never go to metacritic in fact. And honestly when i see they mark Gothic to less than 5 and The witcher to 8.7 i'm conforted in my opinion about metacritic. Obviously they don't use the same bases of judgement as i do. If anything would separate those game it would be a point or2 at most, the score is almost the double.

So what make you thing The witcher is twice as good? did it miss some of its features? did it have some bugs i'm not aware of?...

 

Last it seam nobody really liked the combat system of The witcher, its not like i'm the only one wiht that opinion here.

  chikso

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5/24/11 2:39:02 PM#40
Originally posted by Rawiz
Originally posted by Raventree

Based on what I have been reading, the majority of people seem to love this game, so I have been waiting to see what Gamespot would give it.  They gave it a 9.0, which is shockingly high, considering Portal 2 was given a 9.0 and was touted as a masterpiece by G4.com.  Love it or hate it, you have to give CDP props for coming out of left field with a game this unexpectedly good.  I had never even heard of them before this, but I suspect they will remain on people's radar from now on, simply for the quality of RPG they have created.

Well, they were already well known for Witcher 1. Witcher 2 is not unexpectedly good, unless you've never even heard of the 1st game. Actually I came to expect Witcher 2 to deliver like it did for me at least, I wouldn't have accepted anything less from CD Projekt.

I can't imagine a proper RPG player who had not at least heard of Witcher earlier.

They are mostly known for GOG which is one of the most respected online distribution services, other than their 2 games that is.

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