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  Elikal

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OP  5/19/11 1:33:57 PM#21
Originally posted by madnagash

EDIT: THe game uses words for genitals and human waste materials EXCESSIVELY. While I don't mind it once and then, it seems every 3rd sentence is like some sailor is supposed to talk. When even Kings can't use a single sentence without talking about feces or genitals... it's just absurd and disgusting.

 

Well, tbh kings using "flowery" speech is a thing typical for fantasy. Historically, kings were nothing like they are portrayed in official chronicle entries, which where usually written by their request and where simply propaganda.

What is more, kings where known for their harsh manners, the ability to quickly lose temper etc. In addition, in most cases in Witcher kings appear in not very public situations, like eg. parades, but during battles or small conversations where they are not bound by any protocols.

In addition, I'd like to point out, that the author who wrote the original Witcher story is interested in mixing history and fantasy, and this is why the themes in witcher are more gritty and dark and all characters are shades of grey instead of being good and bad. If you go and read history books you won't find many clealy black and white characters - every historical character is judged differently by different authors and that is I think what the developers of the Witcher wanted to convey.

Dude, I have a university degree in history. I know the REAL Middle Ages were bleak and... well terrible. That's why we have fantasy. As I see it in our world people are devolving back into medieval behaviour patterns again. Why would I WANT that?

I want to be the good guy, save the day, slay the monster, get the prince and have my statue in the kingdom and everyone lived happily everafter. I mean, being Shreck only is fun so many times, ya know. Or: Wolverine was cool before EVERY hero was turned into a Wolverine. It loses it's coolness when ALL is dark. Has to do with contrast and storytelling.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  snoocky

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5/19/11 1:37:25 PM#22

Remember , Witcher 2 is not a mmorpg, it's a RPG!

Mmorpg's are basicly a lot easier then RPG's , that's why I like RPG's .

It has a story, no mmorpg could say that....Not kill 10 of these, gather 10 of those..

Ha!  I'm done with mmorpg's ...Witcher2, DS3, D3 and Skyrim FTW!

  Elikal

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OP  5/19/11 1:47:52 PM#23
Originally posted by snoocky

Remember , Witcher 2 is not a mmorpg, it's a RPG!

Mmorpg's are basicly a lot easier then RPG's , that's why I like RPG's .

It has a story, no mmorpg could say that....Not kill 10 of these, gather 10 of those..

Ha!  I'm done with mmorpg's ...Witcher2, DS3, D3 and Skyrim FTW!

Actually it's a mere action game with story.

There is no RPG element whatsoever.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  alextodo

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Joined: 8/09/06
Posts: 233

5/19/11 1:48:43 PM#24

I asume you failed at killing the Kayran ?!? That`s like 15% into the Game. Read some of the books on the Boss scattered throught the gameworld , talk to the locals , craft/buy some traps , craft some potions etc ....

You are a Monster Hunter in the game , so do some research on the monsters you have to kill. The more books you read about them , the more damage you do and also take less dmg from them.

  Dubhlaith

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5/19/11 1:49:14 PM#25


Originally posted by Elikal


Originally posted by madnagash



EDIT: THe game uses words for genitals and human waste materials EXCESSIVELY. While I don't mind it once and then, it seems every 3rd sentence is like some sailor is supposed to talk. When even Kings can't use a single sentence without talking about feces or genitals... it's just absurd and disgusting.


 
Well, tbh kings using "flowery" speech is a thing typical for fantasy. Historically, kings were nothing like they are portrayed in official chronicle entries, which where usually written by their request and where simply propaganda.
What is more, kings where known for their harsh manners, the ability to quickly lose temper etc. In addition, in most cases in Witcher kings appear in not very public situations, like eg. parades, but during battles or small conversations where they are not bound by any protocols.
In addition, I'd like to point out, that the author who wrote the original Witcher story is interested in mixing history and fantasy, and this is why the themes in witcher are more gritty and dark and all characters are shades of grey instead of being good and bad. If you go and read history books you won't find many clealy black and white characters - every historical character is judged differently by different authors and that is I think what the developers of the Witcher wanted to convey.


Dude, I have a university degree in history. I know the REAL Middle Ages were bleak and... well terrible. That's why we have fantasy. As I see it in our world people are devolving back into medieval behaviour patterns again. Why would I WANT that?
I want to be the good guy, save the day, slay the monster, get the prince and have my statue in the kingdom and everyone lived happily everafter. I mean, being Shreck only is fun so many times, ya know. Or: Wolverine was cool before EVERY hero was turned into a Wolverine. It loses it's coolness when ALL is dark. Has to do with contrast and storytelling.

It pretty much just sounds like the themes and ideas and overall design of this game is not for you (gritty, realistic, vulgar, hard). It is fine if you do not like it. Just don't play it. Why do you feel the need to complain about it? It isn't for you. Play something that is.


Edit:

Also, the statement that there is no RPG element is patently false, and a little ridiculous.

"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true — you know it, and they know it." —Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007

WTF? No subscription fee?

  alextodo

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5/19/11 1:50:39 PM#26
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by snoocky

Remember , Witcher 2 is not a mmorpg, it's a RPG!

Mmorpg's are basicly a lot easier then RPG's , that's why I like RPG's .

It has a story, no mmorpg could say that....Not kill 10 of these, gather 10 of those..

Ha!  I'm done with mmorpg's ...Witcher2, DS3, D3 and Skyrim FTW!

Actually it's a mere action game with story.

There is no RPG element whatsoever.

Character Progression , Talent Trees , branching decisions , crafting , loot ... sounds like an RPG to me.

  Elikal

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OP  5/19/11 1:52:34 PM#27
Originally posted by alextodo

I asume you failed at killing the Kayran ?!? That`s like 15% into the Game. Read some of the books on the Boss scattered throught the gameworld , talk to the locals , craft/buy some traps , craft some potions etc ....

You are a Monster Hunter in the game , so do some research on the monsters you have to kill. The more books you read about them , the more damage you do and also take less dmg from them.

No. I did kill the Kayran. It took me 2 hours. I did some damage, rolled behind a statue, waiting 10 min for HP to recover and did some damage again. Most boring combat ever. Why again are there no health potions?

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  alextodo

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5/19/11 1:54:38 PM#28
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by alextodo

I asume you failed at killing the Kayran ?!? That`s like 15% into the Game. Read some of the books on the Boss scattered throught the gameworld , talk to the locals , craft/buy some traps , craft some potions etc ....

You are a Monster Hunter in the game , so do some research on the monsters you have to kill. The more books you read about them , the more damage you do and also take less dmg from them.

No. I did kill the Kayran. It took me 2 hours. I did some damage, rolled behind a statue, waiting 10 min for HP to recover and did some damage again. Most boring combat ever. Why again are there no health potions?

There are potions that increase your HP regen ... just like everything else , has to be crafted. 2 Hours for the kayran ?!? Takes like 10 mins tops with a bit of prep. work.

  daelnor

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5/19/11 1:57:11 PM#29
Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 


Originally posted by Elikal


Originally posted by madnagash



EDIT: THe game uses words for genitals and human waste materials EXCESSIVELY. While I don't mind it once and then, it seems every 3rd sentence is like some sailor is supposed to talk. When even Kings can't use a single sentence without talking about feces or genitals... it's just absurd and disgusting.


 
Well, tbh kings using "flowery" speech is a thing typical for fantasy. Historically, kings were nothing like they are portrayed in official chronicle entries, which where usually written by their request and where simply propaganda.
What is more, kings where known for their harsh manners, the ability to quickly lose temper etc. In addition, in most cases in Witcher kings appear in not very public situations, like eg. parades, but during battles or small conversations where they are not bound by any protocols.
In addition, I'd like to point out, that the author who wrote the original Witcher story is interested in mixing history and fantasy, and this is why the themes in witcher are more gritty and dark and all characters are shades of grey instead of being good and bad. If you go and read history books you won't find many clealy black and white characters - every historical character is judged differently by different authors and that is I think what the developers of the Witcher wanted to convey.



Dude, I have a university degree in history. I know the REAL Middle Ages were bleak and... well terrible. That's why we have fantasy. As I see it in our world people are devolving back into medieval behaviour patterns again. Why would I WANT that?
I want to be the good guy, save the day, slay the monster, get the prince and have my statue in the kingdom and everyone lived happily everafter. I mean, being Shreck only is fun so many times, ya know. Or: Wolverine was cool before EVERY hero was turned into a Wolverine. It loses it's coolness when ALL is dark. Has to do with contrast and storytelling.


 

It pretty much just sounds like the themes and ideas and overall design of this game is not for you (gritty, realistic, vulgar, hard). It is fine if you do not like it. Just don't play it. Why do you feel the need to complain about it? It isn't for you. Play something that is.


Edit:

Also, the statement that there is no RPG element is patently false, and a little ridiculous.

/thread

  Jimmy562

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Posts: 1099

5/19/11 2:00:22 PM#30
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by alextodo

I asume you failed at killing the Kayran ?!? That`s like 15% into the Game. Read some of the books on the Boss scattered throught the gameworld , talk to the locals , craft/buy some traps , craft some potions etc ....

You are a Monster Hunter in the game , so do some research on the monsters you have to kill. The more books you read about them , the more damage you do and also take less dmg from them.

No. I did kill the Kayran. It took me 2 hours. I did some damage, rolled behind a statue, waiting 10 min for HP to recover and did some damage again. Most boring combat ever. Why again are there no health potions?

It revolves more around preperation than simply charging in.

  nybrat

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5/19/11 2:01:16 PM#31
Originally posted by Elikal

Generally, Witcher 2 is a nice game. It looks good, it has a nice grim humor... but overall, I regret having bought it. There are a few reasons, which just drag down the game in my personal opinion.

 

(SOME SPOILERS)

 

- essentially almost everyone is evil, an asshole and a traitor, down to almost the last person; while I don't need unicorns and rainbows, I just lack the motivation. I KNOW in the end, no matter whom I trust, no matter what side I fight for, ALL will be evil, traitor using me for their power games. It is a VERY bad Dragon Age 2 deja vu, where I ended up with the same bleak feeling like "ok, why again did I stay here??"

- EXTREME difficulty: some fights are VERY tough, even on the easy setting, I had to reload PLENTY of times and when you hit reload button so often, I sorta lose the fun

- console-type timed reaction boss fights: I REALLY hate these; I suck at them, and the last thing I expect and want in an RPG are those timed reaction boss fights.

- I had to give up the game due to difficulty: in the last 3rd of the game, there was a boss fight... I just could not win it. You know there is a walkthrough in the game box, but still... I tried it netto over 3 hours, again and again... but I just wasn't able to defeat this boss. So, sadly, the story ended for me. Geralt is dead, his mission failed and the entire lands are in flames. How fun.

Why again did I pay this??

 

You need to think before fighting. Running in blind wont give you anything. I can't comment on the difficult settings on normal or easy since i play on hard. Its difficult yes, but not impossible.

The "Console-type time reactions" are really easy. If you fell you don't have enough time to press the right buttons, no wonder you think the game is extremly hard.

  Tardcore

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5/19/11 2:01:45 PM#32
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by yevgenii
-snip-

Not putting you down OP, just pointing out that there are two perspectives :) I do agree that Witcher can get quite dark at times, indeed the novels were just the same - dark, real, intense. This isn't a game for the Zelda-megafan but that should have tipped people off when they saw the box art.

Novels?

There are books too?

Yes Andrzej Sapkowski's novels are where the game idea came from. If you like darker fantasy series such as The Black Company or The Song of Fire and Ice, I highly recommend them. Not sure if they have been translated into english yet though.

 

Now on to the OPs post. Well Elikal it looks like once again you have chosen to agonize over not liking yet another video game. There's a shocker. Now don't get me wrong, I respect you and enjoy reading your posts, but it really seems that you just don't like much of anything. Now you can continue to complain about how dark the Witcher universe is until the cows come home, the fact is the game makers are staying true to the intellectual property they took the game from. The first game was exactly the same, I do not see how the hell you came to be suprised by this. If this annoys you, you are the person at fault and not them. Next time do a little research before you spend your hard earned money on a game without seeing what it is all about.

And FFS stop crying about what you feel a game like this SHOULD be. If you want a game world tailor made to suit your likes and dislikes GO OUT AND MAKE IT yourself. Stop boo hooing here because the game fails to match up with your own ideologies.

 

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  maskedweasel

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5/19/11 2:13:38 PM#33
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by yevgenii
-snip-

Not putting you down OP, just pointing out that there are two perspectives :) I do agree that Witcher can get quite dark at times, indeed the novels were just the same - dark, real, intense. This isn't a game for the Zelda-megafan but that should have tipped people off when they saw the box art.

Novels?

There are books too?

Yes Andrzej Sapkowski's novels are where the game idea came from. If you like darker fantasy series such as The Black Company or The Song of Fire and Ice, I highly recommend them. Not sure if they have been translated into english yet though.

 

Now on to the OPs post. Well Elikal it looks like once again you have chosen to agonize over not liking yet another video game. There's a shocker. Now don't get me wrong, I respect you and enjoy reading your posts, but it really seems that you just don't like much of anything. Now you can continue to complain about how dark the Witcher universe is until the cows come home, the fact is the game makers are staying true to the intellectual property they took the game from. The first game was exactly the same, I do not see how the hell you came to be suprised by this. If this annoys you, you are the person at fault and not them. Next time do a little research before you spend your hard earned money on a game without seeing what it is all about.

And FFS stop crying about what you feel a game like this SHOULD be. If you want a game world tailor made to suit your likes and dislikes GO OUT AND MAKE IT yourself. Stop boo hooing here because the game fails to match up with your own ideologies.

 

Elikals are interesting animals are they not? I find him to be fantastic at snap judgements that later taper off.  He will go back and play the game and eventually beat it.  I do like these posts he writes though,  it lets me see the other side of things as I don't often run into issues like this in my play time with certain games, so a particularly harrowing experience is fun to read, even though I know its just a passing judgement by a perpetually frustrated player. :) 

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  Shodanas

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5/19/11 2:21:03 PM#34

The Witcher 2 is hands down the RPG GOTY. Bioware should learn a lesson from these guys about how DA2 should have been. And this comes from a die-hard Bioware fan. Yes, the majority of the fights are hard but judging from the thousands of extremely possitive player reviews people welcomed this feature.

The only major flaw is the poor optimization as the game runs poorly even on above average pc's with high settings enabled. Hopefully a patch will solve this.

  maskedweasel

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5/19/11 2:26:47 PM#35
Originally posted by Shodanas

The Witcher 2 is hands down the RPG GOTY. Bioware should learn a lesson from these guys about how DA2 should have been. And this comes from a die-hard Bioware fan. Yes, the majority of the fights are hard but judging from the thousands of extremely possitive player reviews people welcomed this feature.

The only major flaw is the poor optimization as the game runs poorly even on above average pc's with high settings enabled. Hopefully a patch will solve this.

I wouldn't doubt it, simply because ME3 got pushed to next year 

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5/19/11 3:06:44 PM#36
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by madnagash

EDIT: THe game uses words for genitals and human waste materials EXCESSIVELY. While I don't mind it once and then, it seems every 3rd sentence is like some sailor is supposed to talk. When even Kings can't use a single sentence without talking about feces or genitals... it's just absurd and disgusting.

 

Well, tbh kings using "flowery" speech is a thing typical for fantasy. Historically, kings were nothing like they are portrayed in official chronicle entries, which where usually written by their request and where simply propaganda.

What is more, kings where known for their harsh manners, the ability to quickly lose temper etc. In addition, in most cases in Witcher kings appear in not very public situations, like eg. parades, but during battles or small conversations where they are not bound by any protocols.

In addition, I'd like to point out, that the author who wrote the original Witcher story is interested in mixing history and fantasy, and this is why the themes in witcher are more gritty and dark and all characters are shades of grey instead of being good and bad. If you go and read history books you won't find many clealy black and white characters - every historical character is judged differently by different authors and that is I think what the developers of the Witcher wanted to convey.

Dude, I have a university degree in history. I know the REAL Middle Ages were bleak and... well terrible. That's why we have fantasy. As I see it in our world people are devolving back into medieval behaviour patterns again. Why would I WANT that?

I want to be the good guy, save the day, slay the monster, get the prince and have my statue in the kingdom and everyone lived happily everafter. I mean, being Shreck only is fun so many times, ya know. Or: Wolverine was cool before EVERY hero was turned into a Wolverine. It loses it's coolness when ALL is dark. Has to do with contrast and storytelling.

 

The Witcher storyline is about as far from unicorns, fairies, and happily ever after as a fantasy realm gets. A little bit of research would have saved you some money. It would have also saved you the time it took to come rant about how a game designed to be challenging and depict a realistic, gritty society... is neither easy nor fanciful. Do your research on the Game you're buying instead of buying it and complaining about it not being the type of game you wanted.
  jdnewell

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5/19/11 3:34:10 PM#37

Like some of the other posters have stated, do some prep work before you enter into major fights.

Potions, traps, ect ect.

No its not an easy game, I personally prefer it that way. Running into a fight with multiple enemies or " Boss " monsters should be difficult IMO.

The game may not be for you, nothing wrong with that, but not everyone wants an easy game. Doesnt mean its a bad game, just means its not for you. Not to worry tho, I am sure Bioware will release another Faceroll on keyboard easy game soon.

  etlar

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5/19/11 3:58:12 PM#38

The witcher 2 is for me, the most visually impressive game i have played to this date, and im still running around the forest around flotsam, cant wait to see more of the game, its very very hard, i died almost 20times in the prologue, but this game really brings back the whole reason i got into rpgs to start with.

to think a small polish company could achieve this is astounding.

 

oh and @ Elikal: dont say this game is not an rpg, come on, you know better :)

  Elikal

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OP  5/19/11 4:45:43 PM#39
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by yevgenii
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Not putting you down OP, just pointing out that there are two perspectives :) I do agree that Witcher can get quite dark at times, indeed the novels were just the same - dark, real, intense. This isn't a game for the Zelda-megafan but that should have tipped people off when they saw the box art.

Novels?

There are books too?

Yes Andrzej Sapkowski's novels are where the game idea came from. If you like darker fantasy series such as The Black Company or The Song of Fire and Ice, I highly recommend them. Not sure if they have been translated into english yet though.

 

Now on to the OPs post. Well Elikal it looks like once again you have chosen to agonize over not liking yet another video game. There's a shocker. Now don't get me wrong, I respect you and enjoy reading your posts, but it really seems that you just don't like much of anything. Now you can continue to complain about how dark the Witcher universe is until the cows come home, the fact is the game makers are staying true to the intellectual property they took the game from. The first game was exactly the same, I do not see how the hell you came to be suprised by this. If this annoys you, you are the person at fault and not them. Next time do a little research before you spend your hard earned money on a game without seeing what it is all about.

And FFS stop crying about what you feel a game like this SHOULD be. If you want a game world tailor made to suit your likes and dislikes GO OUT AND MAKE IT yourself. Stop boo hooing here because the game fails to match up with your own ideologies.

 

Elikals are interesting animals are they not? I find him to be fantastic at snap judgements that later taper off.  He will go back and play the game and eventually beat it.  I do like these posts he writes though,  it lets me see the other side of things as I don't often run into issues like this in my play time with certain games, so a particularly harrowing experience is fun to read, even though I know its just a passing judgement by a perpetually frustrated player. :) 

Hey, there are only 2 Elikals, me and the other dude from Israel making bullet proof vests and helmets. Go figure. ;)

But seriously: for me gaming has in the last 5 years gone considerable more difficult. I mean, hey I beat those REALLY difficult games of the past! The 1980ies, where RPGs were still really difficult. But I could beat them because it were around the CHARACTER skills, not my own nimble fingers! These days it's all those damn console type of hopping, jumping, evading and rolling around. Maybe I got old too, but more and more games just frustrate the living crap outta me, and I know 1000s of games in the past DIDN'T. Since I presume I did not change SO dramatically, *something* in these games must have changed. And not for better. In never used to "quit" a game in the past, and games like Ultima IV, Icewind Dale or Wizardry 6 were REALLY hard. Those RPGs would make mose kiddo players from today cry in their sleep!

But this... it just beat me. I am no bunnyhopping nimble finger guy, dammit! I didn't expect Witcher 2 bossfights to be like Kingdom Hearts!

 

@All: Kiddos, I played RPGs when most of you still wet' their diapers! I ain't need no advise about preparation! Now get off my lawn, whippersnappers.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  jdnewell

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5/19/11 6:37:25 PM#40

I am closing in on 40 here very soon, too soon IMO lol.

I played all the Baldurs gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape games too when they were released. =)

Dont think its all about being too old, games have changed and you will just have to find something more to your taste.

Sorry you dont like the witcher =( but it all boils down to what kind of games you enjoy. I like RPGs, but not every single one released. IMO DA2 was a waste of hard drive space, while other just love it.

Doesnt mean DA2 is a bad game, I just didnt like it. I did recommend it to a close friend, simply because i knew he would like it.

Bashing the witcher 2 on a forum because you dont like it doesnt make it bad.

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