This article just reminds me of how awesome Warhammer Online should have been.

In all fairness, Trion spends a lot of effort keeping thier fansite base stoked up and pumping out PR. For my money, this was a completely unnecessary article and perhaps the author should have been encouraged to post it on her own blog. Basically, it just reads like another Rift apologist trying to rally the masses again. With the current recruitment promotion, there certainly is incentive.

I just hate the look and grafics of rift, so i cant play it :-(

Originally posted by Lonzo

I just hate the look and grafics of rift, so i cant play it :-(

I thought I was the only one! Looks like it was done by an impressionistic painter with 4 colors.....

Not a WOW replacement. In my opinion, WOW is a much superior game...

Rift feels like WOW except that the classes are not balanced and there is far less content in the world. They tried to out-WOW WOW, but they failed in my opinion.

Originally posted by WSIMike

WoW was never the first MMO they came into the MMO market much later then many other titles. These people who believe WoW was the first MMO are probably the same people who believe that George Washington abolished slavery or they really spent 500 million dollars a day for the president to visit India. 

"I swear, officer... He was rambling on about "not comparing Rift to WoW". Then - and I have no idea why - he suddenly just started ranting something about George Washington and 500 million dollars to go to India... and he just wandered off into the weeds. Hasn't come back out yet. I think he may have veered off the trail and gotten himself lost in there."

Sir, can you step out of the vehicle, turn around and place your hands together, fingers interlaced, behind you?

I enjoyed Rift initially, but didn't like the lack of PVP compared to WoW. Was disenchanted with the crafting system.

Liked the graphics. Liked the storyline. Liked the player combinations, which was outstanding.

Didn't like  the grind or have enough time to play the game.

Originally posted by tkoreaper

Originally posted by Manestream

Currently playing, see big problems though. Severa are empty of players meaning most servers dont see rift invasions at all (so much for doign certain quests and achievements on those) whilst others do see the odd rift invasion but cannot succeed against them, again too few in playerbase numbers to fight them off.

Servers are not empty... at the time of writing this there are only 5 servers at low population, the rest are medium or higher.

At a certain time every single server is marked Medium which is a load of utter CRAP, been on 5 from 11am-12pm over the first week and a half and didnt see no rift invasions at all in that time and not many other players to boot either. So the stats of medium is crap.

Then you also have rifts opening up, getting to bonus stage brings out an elite boss, now sometimes these can just cast a spell and everyone instantly dies, that includes players 2x in level (e.g instant deth when a lvl 20 cats or does a move and 3 lvl 21-25 players and a level 39 players go from 100% hp to dead). Some say its a bug. Other things take virtually no damage from some class's at all, but if another player under the mob level comes in his damage hurts the thing whilst everyones else's do nothing (again i was told this is a bug).

Most invasions bosses will have abilities... there aren't meant to be tank and spank mobs. There are abilities that you MUST watch out for. It's not a bug... There's also things that cannot be damaged until other things have been killed. Why would you keep attacking when you're seeing the word "Immune" spammed on your screen?

Not once did it have an immune appear over its head when getting to stage 5 of the rift (sometimes stage 6) and its always, always these new earth rifts that have the problem, fire/death/life rifts dont. I bet even a lvl 50 would go from 100% health to dead like everyone else when it does this move. I aint the only one who got pissed off with this (lvl 19 killed me lvl 24, a lvl 21 a lvl 25 and a lvl 39) with a move just after it pummels the ground (this is were everyone should run away from it). Best bet is to kill upto these boss's and then leave.

Now once you leave the starting area's, you come to ancient wardstones that must be opened via a new skill you get,  these then give daily quests, however if teh opposite faction has done this you have to wait for god knows how long for an invasion that clears them or a foothold assault, otherwose you will not be able to take it.

Completely wrong... You can take the wardstones at any time... all you must do is kill the enemies guarding it AND the wardstone.

Aye, and then as soon as you leave the area its back again with an elite that takes no fewer than 4 players or more to take out. Not fun spending 25-40 mins free'ing and then having to do teh whole thing again just to hand in a quest. Oh and there aint no invasion going on either.

Some footholds happen that take 25-30 minutes to get rid of, as soon as you dissapear to do the quest, you can bet your ass it will be retaken and become a foothold again within 2 minutes of your group leaving the spot. Very annoying.

Footholds do not just appear out of thin air... they're spawned by invasions. So long as YOUR wardstone is dead they can summon theirs in its place.

ye and you kill their wardstone and guards, get yours back to get your quest givers, take quest, go do it come back and then need to get another 5 man group or more (if there are anyone in the zone by then) to free it up again, oh and these footholds dont require a rift invasion to be let loose, just a normal rift would do.

Right now, i have 9 days left, as i have already started most servers on teh EU side are empty of players, there is1 server that has queue but is a PvP server, that means campd and ganked by lvl 40-50 all the time becuase they have nothign to do but kill low levels and then stay their doing that (sad but true), have checked out 6 of the (i think 10 PvE servers so far) and 5 are devoid of life, not sure about the 6th one, was late when i joined it (8pm) last night, so will see and find out sometime today if its dead or not. It does seem to me that servers merges are somewhat of a must do for this game though, probably bring them from 10 to 4 (PvE), cannot say much about the pvp ones, tried 2 1 is full the other has a little life on it, although more life than the PvE servers have. Ive just been put off from playing on these servers if thats what the game is like for high levels to go round and pawn low levels all day long. Had my fill of that lameness in other games.

I honestly don't understand how you're not seeing tons of people online... what server are you on? The vast majority of the EU servers right now are medium population.

I have just re-rolled on Steampike, it was absolutly dead come 11pm UK (10pm Gametime) last night, as stated i cannot give a proper opinion for that one yet as i only joined it at between 8pm and 9pm UK. Will be able to find out in the next hour if its worth playing on or just another server dump (would be 6 out of 10 PvE servers by then) English of course, not french or german.

Outcome

As it stands right now, i severly doubt that i will resub once my playtime runs out in 9 days time, not unless something drastically changes. Have i advised friends on this, yes. Will they join, not from what i have given in feedback nope. Also in my second week i did bring 2 friends to check it out and let them play a little on the full pvp server, but when they asked questions or for help they were either told work it out for yourself or (mostly) just met a silent wall. Community wise on full srvers is, there is no community spirit at all, case of jump/join a grp for rifts, never say or speak to anyone, kill rift leave rince repeat. Solo game with helpers that may as well be robots.

You can't blame a game for its community and based on everythign you've said.. there's still a whole lot that you're not understanding about the game and the fact that you've told all your friends this WRONG information only makes the game look bad.

Doesnt need me to make it look bad. Game has some nice Idea's about it but the execution i would not give more than 2/10.

So many things you've stated are wrong. I'll point them out.

 

This looks more like a commercial than a serious piece of journalism

What is the point of this article?

Rift is already starting losing lots of subscribers, just after a month after launch.

WoW has still 11.6 Million subscribers

How can anyone say that Rift is WoW replacement?

It simply ain't.

I am not denying that there are many people that likes Rift, but there are many that like Darkfall too.............

Can we have an article "Darkfall: The WoW replacement?", I will write it

It looks like someone is desperatly trying to make Rift appear as the real deal, when in fact in few months down the line the only game it will compete against will be Warhammer.

Those kind of article are seriously not need it MMORPG.com

Originally posted by Short-Straw

Originally posted by Lonzo

I just hate the look and grafics of rift, so i cant play it :-(

I thought I was the only one! Looks like it was done by an impressionistic painter with 4 colors.....

Yeah the game world is very drab in my opinion.

Originally posted by RyuichiDMyst

 

 

"The creators of RIFT have done several other things to create a much faster paced game than WoW. Besides the high degree of toon customization, mounts are available very early."

 

I really fail to see how customization, presumably physical, or having access to a mount early on result in "a much faster paced game than WoW". I'm not even sure how character customization has any affect on the pace of the game. Regardless, let's not confuse progression through content with the speed of interaction with residents within the environment. I'm certain I express the opinion of many when I say that WoW is about as fast paced as you can get in a MMO without it being a FPS, especially in the newest content.

I just had to respond to this comment.  Here's how Rift works.  Because you have four roles that do different 'jobs' as opposed to a game that gives you slightly variant options but do basically the same thing; you can switch your role to a 'job' that's more appropriate.  Run into a quest that needs CC?  Switch to a CC spec.  Need some healing to get by a boss?  Switch to a healing spec.  Need a tank?  Same.  DPS? same.  It allows you to complete content yourself without relying on others.  You also have options to swtich out roles to get LFG faster for dungeons.  Hint.  Being a tank gets you into instances faster.  So character customization is refering to the soul system I believe.  The one major thing that sets Rift apart from virtually every other game in the MMO genre.

Originally posted by ste2000

This looks more like a commercial than a serious piece of journalism

What is the point of this article?

 

Rift is already starting losing lots of subscribers, just after a month after launch.

WoW has still 11.6 Million subscribers

How can anyone say that Rift is WoW replacement?

It simply ain't.

 

I am not denying that there are many people that likes Rift, but there are many that like Darkfall too.............

Can we have an article "Darkfall: The WoW replacement?", I will write it

It looks like someone is desperatly trying to make Rift appear as the real deal, when in fact in few months down the line the only game it will compete against will be Warhammer.

 

Those kind of article are seriously not need it MMORPG.com

 

The amount of people playing Darkfall vs. Rift is beyond comparison.  Darkfall doesn't have close not by a long shot - the number that Rift has.  NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

The timing of the article is odd.  I wrote a much more in-depth review of the game when it was far more relevant to being a low level player than this. I also experienced dungeons and PvP along every step of the way. How is this relevant to mid-May?

Originally posted by watchawatcha

Originally posted by ste2000

 

I am not denying that there are many people that likes Rift, but there are many that like Darkfall too.............

Can we have an article "Darkfall: The WoW replacement?", I will write it

It looks like someone is desperatly trying to make Rift appear as the real deal, when in fact in few months down the line the only game it will compete against will be Warhammer.

Those kind of article are seriously not need it MMORPG.com

 

The amount of people playing Darkfall vs. Rift is beyond comparison.  Darkfall doesn't have close not by a long shot - the number that Rift has.  NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

Even the amount of player playing Rift against WoW is beyond comparison..............which is the point of my post

A vast majority of players still prefer WoW (a 6 y/o game) to Rift, yet in the article it looks like there is clear evidence that Rift is superior to WoW, so much so that is put forward as it's replacement (while numbers do not support the theory, and many bored players too)

That's what is wrong with this article, which to me looks like a MMORPG.com gift to Trion....................

I offer myself to write an article explaing why Rift won't be the WoW replacement...............I have even more arguments to support my theory  than the writer of this article.

The way i see it Rift and WoW are both very good games.  They each have there good and bad points and nether is really better then the other.  I have Played MMO's back when Altima online whats the sheez nit and on thru EQ and DAOC and so on and so on.  I see that Rift just brings a new outlook to the table and really gives your CPU a work out Graphics wise!  That has to be the one major advantage i see that Rift has over WoW! 

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by watchawatcha

Originally posted by ste2000

 

I am not denying that there are many people that likes Rift, but there are many that like Darkfall too.............

Can we have an article "Darkfall: The WoW replacement?", I will write it

It looks like someone is desperatly trying to make Rift appear as the real deal, when in fact in few months down the line the only game it will compete against will be Warhammer.

Those kind of article are seriously not need it MMORPG.com

 

The amount of people playing Darkfall vs. Rift is beyond comparison.  Darkfall doesn't have close not by a long shot - the number that Rift has.  NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

Even the amount of player playing Rift against WoW is beyond comparison..............which is the point of my post

A vast majority of players still prefer WoW (a 6 y/o game) to Rift, yet in the article it looks like there is clear evidence that Rift is superior to WoW, so much so that is put forward as it's replacement (while numbers do not support the theory, and many bored players too)

That's what is wrong with this article, which to me looks like a MMORPG.com gift to Trion....................

Actually not really.  You were saying that there's no justification for MMORPG to address if Rift could be a WoW replacement.  You then alluded that Rift and Darkfall are on the same playing field.  And they're not.  Darkfall is a niche game that might have 60k subs.  Rift is a AAA mainstream themepark that has 700k subs, but probably 1 million.  Rift is also the most successful selling PC game for the month of March. 

The article is suggesting that Rift COULD be a replacement for WoW.  It's not saying that it is.  Rift is a success.  Many are upset with that fact.  But a fact it still remains.  Doesn't mean the game will 'take over' WoW.  Most certainly doesn't mean that Rift would garner 11.6 million subs, ever.  I mean for them to have a shot at even attempting to compete with WoW sub wise, they'd need to sell their game in China.  Which is were a vast majority of WoW subs come from.

Originally posted by Deathofsage

Originally posted by WSIMike

WoW was never the first MMO they came into the MMO market much later then many other titles. These people who believe WoW was the first MMO are probably the same people who believe that George Washington abolished slavery or they really spent 500 million dollars a day for the president to visit India. 

"I swear, officer... He was rambling on about "not comparing Rift to WoW". Then - and I have no idea why - he suddenly just started ranting something about George Washington and 500 million dollars to go to India... and he just wandered off into the weeds. Hasn't come back out yet. I think he may have veered off the trail and gotten himself lost in there."

Sir, can you step out of the vehicle, turn around and place your hands together, fingers interlaced, behind you?

I want my phone call!!!

Originally posted by watchawatcha

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by watchawatcha

Originally posted by ste2000

 

I am not denying that there are many people that likes Rift, but there are many that like Darkfall too.............

Can we have an article "Darkfall: The WoW replacement?", I will write it

It looks like someone is desperatly trying to make Rift appear as the real deal, when in fact in few months down the line the only game it will compete against will be Warhammer.

Those kind of article are seriously not need it MMORPG.com

 

The amount of people playing Darkfall vs. Rift is beyond comparison.  Darkfall doesn't have close not by a long shot - the number that Rift has.  NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

Even the amount of player playing Rift against WoW is beyond comparison..............which is the point of my post

A vast majority of players still prefer WoW (a 6 y/o game) to Rift, yet in the article it looks like there is clear evidence that Rift is superior to WoW, so much so that is put forward as it's replacement (while numbers do not support the theory, and many bored players too)

That's what is wrong with this article, which to me looks like a MMORPG.com gift to Trion....................

Actually not really.  You were saying that there's no justification for MMORPG to address if Rift could be a WoW replacement.  You then alluded that Rift and Darkfall are on the same playing field.  And they're not.  Darkfall is a niche game that might have 60k subs.  Rift is a AAA mainstream themepark that has 700k subs, but probably 1 million.  Rift is also the most successful selling PC game for the month of March. 

The article is suggesting that Rift COULD be a replacement for WoW.  It's not saying that it is.  Rift is a success.  Many are upset with that fact.  But a fact it still remains.  Doesn't mean the game will 'take over' WoW.  Most certainly doesn't mean that Rift would garner 11.6 million subs, ever.  I mean for them to have a shot at even attempting to compete with WoW sub wise, they'd need to sell their game in China.  Which is were a vast majority of WoW subs come from.

 

Show me where you got this '700k, probably a million' current subs from.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by elocke

My thoughts exactly....until I hit level 50.  2 months after launch and I'm back to WoW .  I like Rift, but it doesnt' have enough content, i.e. alternate leveling paths for multiple alts, to keep me playing it the same I way I played Wow at launch.  For me the game, needs to double itself in order to keep me playing long enough to the next expansion or major content patch.

Also, while some of the game is faster paced, I have found that WoW quests obliterate Rift quests in every way.  I mow down 10 mobs much faster in WoW than I ever did in Rift.  Also, PHASING is just awesome to me.  It makes me feel like the quest was worth it.  Unlike in Rift where the quests don't really matter except as a vehicle to get me xp points.  And, if you want to just quest to level cap, you HAVE to do as many quests as you can, which again, ruins any replayability.

Also, those Rifts and footholds get old real fast.  At 50, when I was in Tier 2 gear, you basically are only closing Rifts and footholds for rep and achievements.  It got to the point where people would call "Invasion in Stillmoor!" and I wouldn't even bat an eye.  I just didn't care enough to go do it for the umpteenth time.

For me, WoW still wins hands down, but, RIFT is a great second alternative and I'm sure I'll be revisiting it a year or so from now after more content has been added.  

True... when a place gets invaded every 2-3 hours, it doesn't really seem like an invasion.  It just seems like "mob migration that denies you access to NPC's". 

 

Agree with both. But is last sentence that made me stop playing Rift. For some time.

This is insane. Have found myself 3 days in row to be unable to continue with my preffered alt at all playing because quest hub was "invaded" by npc invaders that were impossible to kill, because they killed nearly all npc and few players trying to do something. I have returned at random times 3 days in row (always at night). After 15 mins of impossible fights and 5 to 10 deaths ... just logged out.

Maybe month ago I remember with same alt in another area i was unable to continue for full 4 to 6 hours because that things with 130.000hp were constantly there and no high level player or more normal level players around. Was just frustrating. And it is happening constantly.

Have petitioned few times but do not have impression any1 is reading anything.

This are actually my 2 only real complains about Rift.

I can think about rifts as great idea ... but at the end they are just bothering factor. So many rifts and never enough players to destroy them. With exception of starting areas.

Otherwise Rift is great game. And it is unique in being great game without bugs. Never ever played any more smooth mmorpg. Looks very realistic yet runs better maybe on max settings then wow (where btw have 10 lv. 85).

Have not experienced however at all endgame in Rift and because of problems above ... guess this will not happen so soon.

Originally posted by watchawatcha

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by watchawatcha

Originally posted by ste2000

 

I am not denying that there are many people that likes Rift, but there are many that like Darkfall too.............

Can we have an article "Darkfall: The WoW replacement?", I will write it

It looks like someone is desperatly trying to make Rift appear as the real deal, when in fact in few months down the line the only game it will compete against will be Warhammer.

Those kind of article are seriously not need it MMORPG.com

 

The amount of people playing Darkfall vs. Rift is beyond comparison.  Darkfall doesn't have close not by a long shot - the number that Rift has.  NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

Even the amount of player playing Rift against WoW is beyond comparison..............which is the point of my post

A vast majority of players still prefer WoW (a 6 y/o game) to Rift, yet in the article it looks like there is clear evidence that Rift is superior to WoW, so much so that is put forward as it's replacement (while numbers do not support the theory, and many bored players too)

That's what is wrong with this article, which to me looks like a MMORPG.com gift to Trion....................

Actually not really.  You were saying that there's no justification for MMORPG to address if Rift could be a WoW replacement.  You then alluded that Rift and Darkfall are on the same playing field.  And they're not.  Darkfall is a niche game that might have 60k subs.  Rift is a AAA mainstream themepark that has 700k subs, but probably 1 million.  Rift is also the most successful selling PC game for the month of March. 

I think the problem is you're taking his post too literally at face value. You seem to have  completely missed the point he was making.

The point he's making is between the lines.

The article is suggesting that Rift COULD be a replacement for WoW.  It's not saying that it is.  Rift is a success.  Many are upset with that fact.  But a fact it still remains.  Doesn't mean the game will 'take over' WoW.  Most certainly doesn't mean that Rift would garner 11.6 million subs, ever.  I mean for them to have a shot at even attempting to compete with WoW sub wise, they'd need to sell their game in China.  Which is were a vast majority of WoW subs come from.

Again... you're taking what he said at face value.