Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general.   Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2.  We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it.    I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their.  however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations.  If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left.  Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

This is pure speculation about these games you  think won't be coming back when everything is fixed...unless you have some inside source?

I prefer to remain optimistic and if they do happen to go offline oh well, but until they say (vg,swg etc) are closed for good nobody knows what's going to happen.

Originally posted by gauge2k3

Originally posted by Sovrath

Well, I don't know about you guys but when Vanguard does come back online (if indeed it does, not sure why it wouldn't though maybe they will consider shortening it's life span)) I'll be there.

It''s only been a few weeks. I'm sure people don't always be to be plugged into a game.

There are plenty of other things in life to do, one doesn't have to always be playing a game.

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That isn't to say I don't agree with you.  I do.

well I suppose that depends on what you mean by "politically correct".

the thing is, I DO post exactly what I mean. However, I am a huge belliever in respecting my host (in this case mmorpg.com) and of course the people at the party (basically all of the members on this site).

And honestly, take it for what you will, my upbringing stresses a certain level of maturity. And I've lived a bit so I'm not some raw emotional individual with an axe to grind looking for a forum to let my ID explode.

Of course I can go on for hours on how we all are not mature (myself included). And I'd love to be a politician but I'm way too honest and actually believe in public service as opposed to furthering some "career and agenda".

but I'm here for discussion and the rules of the game are that we respect each other. So as long as my patience and "will" hold out, I'm going to respect you all. So help me...

If a game has received no attention for months on end, you have to assume it is moribund. 

Originally posted by thebigchin11

If a game has received no attention for months on end, you have to assume it is moribund. 

Thank you for making me google moribund :)

I see no reason why SOE will close those games down, including Vanguard.  Like someone said, several of their games already recieve relatively minimal resources and just piggyback off of more successful games.  The money making games aren't being closed down so why would they close down the games that don't cost them much to run.  SOE probably spends little to maintain several games at the moment (been that for way forever with VG).

Guys....It's SOE.  They have an uncanny ability to keep dead games going past their expiration date. 

Sorry, not being pretentious, it is a quote from Alan Partridge- Knowing Me Knowing You.  'I read a review that my show was moribund, so I looked it up in the Oxford English Dictionary and...'

Originally posted by thebigchin11

Sorry, not being pretentious, it is a quote from Alan Partridge- Knowing Me Knowing You.  'I read a review that my show was moribund, so I looked it up in the Oxford English Dictionary and...'

Haha no, I was serious.  It was a cool word!

Cheers, but upshot is (I played it one release and enjoyed it) they shifted the team to Aion and allowed it to flounder.  Its ashame because it could have been great.

ironically the day this went down I was thinking about giving this a try.

Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general.   Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2.  We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it.    I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their.  however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations.  If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left.  Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

Lol..you were saying?

https://www.soe.com/securityupdate/recentupdates.vm

Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general.   Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2.  We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it.    I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their.  however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations.  If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left.  Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

I hope you will be quite now and never try to make baseless assumptions.

https://www.soe.com/securityupdate/recentupdates.vm

If I had a nickel for everytime someone posted a "This is the End" post in the forum over the past 4 years I'd be a fricking millionaire.

Originally posted by boojiboy

If I had a nickel for everytime someone posted a "This is the End" post in the forum over the past 4 years I'd be a fricking millionaire.

Agreed and another nickel for everytime someone said population was increasing, the game was fixed or tried to organize some "lets save vanguard" effort.

We would have a lot of nickels.

SoE's planned compensations are so damn horrible its disgusting. I really hope they do more than what theyre saying theyre gonna do. 

Originally posted by NightAngell

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by ArcheAge

Originally posted by erictlewis

To be honest I think its the end of the line for SOE in general.   Games like vanguard, swg, pax nora, pirates of the carabine probably will not come back online.

It is still a guessing game about the two flagship games EQ, and EQ2.  We been down 9 days now and keep getting the same expansion, were working on it.

We have to be real, at some point it has to cost more to fix the game than save it.    I think we are rapidly getting close to that point for all the pc games at soe.

Now the PSN stuff they have 21 million ps3, psp out in the field so they still have a chance to save face their.  however I don't see how they can compensate for the games who already are suffering low populations.  If SOE keeps this up for the PC side games there not going to have much of a player base left.  Most of the people playing the PC based games are doing it because they truly loved them, however at some point even those folks will realize there just another sub number.

I think its a dark day for all us subscribers.

Lol more nonsense ,seriously i bet you any money that all the games you mention will come back online as soon as this is sorted out.

Belive it or not but players are still playing those games whether you like it or not.

 Just go ahead and think that. I been with soe since SWG and EQ2 rolled out.  I can tell you I watched our game populations decline a long time.  Right now our guild forums are full of unhappy folks,  the longer were down the more folks are going to look at other games, even the die hard defenders are questioning whats really going on.

Lol, and ive been with SOE since EQ1 rolled out under SOE .

You guild  does not make up the whole of SOE player base.

Speak for your guild not everyone else.

You are going to look silly once the server come back online lol.

 Yup your right my guild will be coming back maybe less a couple people but that happens anyway.

If a person leaves over this they are not that die hardcore anyway, so guilds will still go on.

Originally posted by monstermmo

SoE's planned compensations are so damn horrible its disgusting. I really hope they do more than what theyre saying theyre gonna do. 

Don't plan on it, it's SoE we're talking about here  :P   

Originally posted by Merlin1977

Originally posted by monstermmo

SoE's planned compensations are so damn horrible its disgusting. I really hope they do more than what theyre saying theyre gonna do. 

Don't plan on it, it's SoE we're talking about here  :P   

 What you read is what you got, that's it. Oh and you had to have an active account in good standing when the servers went down. Don't go thinking cool i will re-sub and get stuff.  It is not going to happen, its only for those who were impacted.  And yes the payback rewards as I call them were joke at best.

Looks like I might have been wrong,  everybody getting a free 45 days and all the benifits to games they did have.  So anybody who had vangaurd swg and all, can come back for a free 45 days.

Might just save this game if you can get logged in, i been hearing probably about the log in and time outs.

Originally posted by erictlewis

Looks like I might have been wrong,  everybody getting a free 45 days and all the benifits to games they did have.  So anybody who had vangaurd swg and all, can come back for a free 45 days.

Might just save this game if you can get logged in, i been hearing probably about the log in and time outs.

Yes you are wrong since the first post you made on this topic. However, the log in problem has been solved which was caused due to overload on servers.

Originally posted by erictlewis

Looks like I might have been wrong,  everybody getting a free 45 days and all the benifits to games they did have.  So anybody who had vangaurd swg and all, can come back for a free 45 days.

Might just save this game if you can get logged in, i been hearing probably about the log in and time outs.

Not might have been wrong,you are wrong and have been wrong throughout this whole thread.

Log in and timeout are fixed..

Originally posted by ArcheAge

Originally posted by Warny

With all the dramas etc there is know doubt we will loss Subs to SOE and VG,

So my question is will it be the end to VG, we all know that it's a great game but has suffered from low Pop for a long time, is this enough to tip SOE to turning it off, or could it be a saving grace.

If SOE have any sence they should allow a 30-60 day opening of all Vanguard accounts,it could be the saving grace. Many of the 200k plus who bought Vanguard but left after the first 30 days or 3 months have not played since then.

They don't relaise that Vanguard is not the same buggy mess it was 4 years ago and even with lack of updates a noob would have plenty to do.

Just levelling adventuring to top level 55 would take them 3+ months let alone crafting and diplomacy.

Uh, 200k players ? Thats the population of the first month.

It was over 400k players who actually bought the game.

Sadly, half of the players stayed only like minutes before they stopped playing. Probably because of the high hardware requirements.

Gives you an idea how successful Vanguard would have been if they had actually finished it before releasing. Just waiting longer so that people would have better hardware would already have helped.

I would like to add that making leveling slower so people wont rocket to the endgame and complain theres no such thing as said endgame would have helped, too.