Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Pyrostasis

And if you dont believe a Doc, with a PHD, testifying under oath, before congress... then thats cool man. Rock on with your bad self.

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Ever heard of fallacy of defective induction named appeal to authority?

You would not get far with IT security with such attitude.

Love my quote. ;)

A recap from MSNBC about this issue...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42919262/ns/technology_and_science-games/

Sony said its video game network was hacked into at the same time it was defending itself against a major denial-of-service attack by Anonymous. A denial-of-service attack makes a server or system unavailable by overwhelming its network with Internet traffic.

The attack that stole the personal data of millions of Sony customers was launched separately, right when the company was distracted protecting itself against the denial-of-service campaign, Sony said.

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Originally posted by UNATCOII

Love my quote. ;)
A recap from MSNBC about this issue...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42919262/ns/technology_and_science-games/
Sony said its video game network was hacked into at the same time it was defending itself against a major denial-of-service attack by Anonymous. A denial-of-service attack makes a server or system unavailable by overwhelming its network with Internet traffic.
The attack that stole the personal data of millions of Sony customers was launched separately, right when the company was distracted protecting itself against the denial-of-service campaign, Sony said.

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Yes, this is known for a while from the letter Sony send to the congress upon the decline of the invitation to the hearing.

Originally posted by Minn

Hacking is a criminal act so therefore hackers are criminals. I hope when they are caught that they all recieve a lengthy prison sentence where they all become Big Bab Bubbas bottom bitch.

In certain countries the act of 'hacking' is not criminal. Also, hacking is a tool and sometimes the tool is used for a country (ie, government sanctioned) or privately. Obviously if your government asks you to hack XYZ, you'll get immunity even if hacking was illegal.

Yeah, the Google Gmail vs China incident.

Originally posted by Kruul

Report: Hackers plan third attack on Sony

By Wilson Rothman

Hackers are planning a third "major" attack on Sony websites, according to a Cnet report. The allegation comes from an observer in a chat channel used by hackers, who saw discussion of a plan to launch an attack this weekend. The witness relayed the info to the tech news site.

The hackers allegedly already have access to some of Sony's servers, and plan to go public with the personal information they find in their attack. It is not clear from the report whether or not these hackers are part of the Anonymous group. Whoever they are, it is not likely that they're acting as part of the group, as Anonymous has stated it was not involved in the recent attacks on PlayStation Network and Sony Online Entertainment servers.

Or it is just tough talk from some script kiddies. I dont believe that criminal hackers (crackers) start boasting in such a public channel before acting. And what is there to hack if Sony hasnt got the services back online?

Sony videogame divisions might die if they manage to take PSN/SOE down again next week. That would be shame :/

Bad hackers! Bad!

I wonder since all this began that if they been working all around the clock to get things going again.......

Originally posted by hulahoopnkr

Originally posted by Dromedarr

Sony videogame divisions might die if they manage to take PSN/SOE down again next week. That would be shame :/

Bad hackers! Bad!

Does anyone know WHY this is happening?

As in, did the invaders leave any notes to replace the down system?

   Yes a note was left signed Anonomys We are Legion.  The 3rd attack \was actually the reason they were not able to come back up Friday.  There was information put into an inactive server.  People's information who were signed up for a sweepstakes in 2001.  And supposedly this attack was that was threatened was that they had access to Sony servers and were going to release people's information on those servers online.  I think this is all about keeping them offline or just simply threatening us more either way grrrrrrrrr at these hackers.  They are really playing dirty pool and I think this may be the reason that Sony is not updating a lot atm is due to this crap of them threatening more attacks they don't want anyone to know ETA"s or anything like that.

2 weeks for SOE so far + 1 free month for all subs (welcome back program) = $22.5 loss per active account. How many accounts do they have across all P2P MMOs? 1mil?  that's $22 500 000 loss and still counting. Kinda big deal for SOE

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Originally posted by Akaronia

The 3rd attack \was actually the reason they were not able to come back up Friday.  There was information put into an inactive server.  People's information who were signed up for a sweepstakes in 2001. 

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Do you have any reliable sources that would imply that any actual 3rd attack took place and personal information posted was NOT from previous data theft?

Is it related to PSN and SOE networks in any away?

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Originally posted by Dromedarr
2 weeks for SOE so far + 1 free month for all subs (welcome back program) = $22.5 loss per active account. How many accounts do they have? 1mil?  that's $22 500 000 loss and still counting. Kinda big deal for SOE

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Lots of those stolen accounts are duplicities and/or inactive as well as non-paying customers.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Dromedarr
2 weeks for SOE so far + 1 free month for all subs (welcome back program) = $22.5 loss per active account. How many accounts do they have? 1mil?  that's $22 500 000 loss and still counting. Kinda big deal for SOE

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Lots of those stolen accounts are duplicities and/or inactive as well as non-paying customers.

ONE MILLION ACTIVE ACCOUNTS (and I think it's even more)

I'm not talking about 26 mil accounts in database

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Originally posted by Dromedarr

ONE MILLION ACTIVE ACCOUNTS (and I think it's even more)
 
I'm not talking about 26 mil accounts in database

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I have posted accidentally before my post was finished, sorry :/

Yeah, I wanted to say the same. Even though data theft was massive, active customers number will be much lower but it is still huge loss for SOE.

Is it just me, or is Sony the biggest gaming company to loose 22 million over a hacker attack, and no one caught in 24 hours?

But is it just me, or was sony not warned about such, and failed to use even 1 million of that to upgrade security and holes that could have prevented this, no everything isn't secure but seriously what are they doing with all that money when they rarely updated their games either like I played Planet Side, and wait months for new content, More players and nothing at all, and Ever Quest 2 is now a failure with all the instanced zones, outdated engine, and character models absolutely suck?

Here is what I think will occur in the near future.

SWG will Die due to SWTOR

EQ 2 will die out due to outdated engine & Models, and need replacement by EQ3 as a p2p game without items shop or station cash, sony needs to come up with new Intellectual Property and fast, and even if they do will players trust them anymore, and if so how many?

Sony Failed to release The Agency, It looked like it would have been a good hit, and can't tell me they didn't have the money to finish it.

Aion will go down due to their nature of milking cows with P2P + F2P items, and Tera will become the next popular title.

So yeah I am not a troll, but I am really serious about this why has sony let the customers of their service down so much for all these years, and now this.

Originally posted by Renoaku

Is it just me, or is Sony the biggest gaming company to loose 22 million over a hacker attack, and no one caught in 24 hours?

But is it just me, or was sony not warned about such, and failed to use even 1 million of that to upgrade security and holes that could have prevented this, no everything isn't secure but seriously what are they doing with all that money when they rarely updated their games either like I played Planet Side, and wait months for new content, More players and nothing at all, and Ever Quest 2 is now a failure with all the instanced zones, outdated engine, and character models absolutely suck?

Here is what I think will occur in the near future.

SWG will Die due to SWTOR

EQ 2 will die out due to outdated engine & Models, and need replacement by EQ3 as a p2p game without items shop or station cash, sony needs to come up with new Intellectual Property and fast, and even if they do will players trust them anymore, and if so how many?

Sony Failed to release The Agency, It looked like it would have been a good hit, and can't tell me they didn't have the money to finish it.

Aion will go down due to their nature of milking cows with P2P + F2P items, and Tera will become the next popular title.

So yeah I am not a troll, but I am really serious about this why has sony let the customers of their service down so much for all these years, and now this.

Aion is not SOE game :)

and yes, SONY's been in war with hackers and they forgot to put some protection on their servers against hacks. :l

you people who glorify these cyber terrorist need help.  People also need to stop reading shit on the internet and believe what they're reading.  NONE OF YOU KNOW what type of security Sony had did not have did not upgrade or upgraded you know nothing and its funny watch people say oh im sueing lol tough words for internet tough guys.

Unless there is a smoking gun like an Sony employee who says the security was flawed and Sony knew about it none of these lawsuits stand a chance.  YOU CANNOT WIN A LAWSUIT without proving the company knew about the issue and ignored it or should of known about it.  Good luck proving any of this.

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Originally posted by Dromedarr

Aion is not SOE game :)

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Who cares about details such as verified information or reasoning? Any information that suits your case - bashing a game or game related company, is good.

The rumor about outdated and unpatched server is just a good example.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

Who cares about details such as verified information or reasoning? Any information that suits your case - bashing a game or game related company, is good.

The rumor about outdated and unpatched server is just a good example.

LOL :)

The security expert looks legit to me. Why would he lie about such thing for no reason?

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Originally posted by Dromedarr
 
The security expert looks legit to me.

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Appeal to authority isn't legit, no matter what.

He was only reading some discussion on 3rd party boards about it. No more than hearsay.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Dromedarr
 
The security expert looks legit to me.

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Appeal to authority isn't legit, no matter what.

He was only reading some discussion on 3rd party boards about it. No more than hearsay.

well SONY's been down for 3 week to update their security. Someting was not right for sure

Some real info:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54812756/Senator-Blumenthal-Letter-from-Sony

Interesting article with some new information for consideration:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20060661-83.html

Just quick quote from the article there related to non-updated servers rumor:

"Meanwhile, Sony denied assertions by computer security expert Gene Spafford during a Congressional hearing Thursday that it had been running outdated versions of Web server software and had not been using a firewall on its servers. In a statement from Patrick Seybold, Sony's senior director, Corporate Communications and Social Media, that's expected to be published on Sony's PlayStation blog, the company was using updated software and had "multiple security measures in place." "