Please refrain from baiting other users into an argument, thanks!

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by twodayslate

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by twodayslate

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by grunty

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by twodayslate

 and don't want their purchase history tracked and sold to whoever.

Rofl, tinfoil hat on a little too tight me thinks.

Almost every website you go to is passing some of your choices on to google-analytics.com. Well, if you don't block it.

And avoiding using something because someone somewhere might see that you bought object x is pure paranoia.

By the same token, why would you go out of your way to sign up for something whose only purpose on this earth is to tell Developer X that Shooter Y is trending as the most popular title in the genre?  That sort of thing only encourages other developers who want a piece of Developer X's success to continue to flood the market xerox copies of Shooter Y.  Marketing trackers always have, and always will, only serve to maintain mediocrity.

lol, yup, cause they need steam to tell them what games are selling, whatever lame excuse you want to make up for not using steam, not that i give a crap.

 

Better not buy any games from any  retailer then, cause game devs will find out and start making copies of it!

You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't have flamed someone for choosing not to use it.

whatever you say buddy, apparently you dont know teh difference between pointing out someones paranoia and caring whether they use steam or not.

Kroger's, a grocery store chain requires you to have a Kroger discount card in order to get the best shelf price of items in their store. They also use it to track purchases. I don't shop at Kroger's because they do track what I buy. Not what is bought most often but what I buy. That is why I am willing to pay a bit more at a store that does not directly track my purchases.

It's not paranoia. It's privacy. I used to like shopping at Kroger's. When they brought in those cards I immediately stopped shopping there.

Originally posted by grunty

 

Kroger's requires you to have a Kroger discount card in order to get the best shelf price of items in their store. They also use it to track purchases. I don't shop at Kroger's because they do track what I buy. Not what is bought most often but what I buy. That is why I am willing to pay a bit more at a store that does not directly track my purchases

It's not paranoia. It's privacy.

I'm not trying to bait or anything, but if they do track your purchases what are they going to do with that information?  I mean mainly its used for things like demographics.  I worked at kroger for a period of time and used my Kroger card plenty and never got any sort of mail that was out of the ordinary from the time I started to after, and I still use that card.  My parents get no mail from them or anyone remotely associated with them.

This is a FOR REALZ question.

Does steam pay or get paid to have game exclusively?

Do some games that cannot afford to advertise (see Magicka and the like) go from selling a couple thousand games to a couple hundred thousand games ++ because they used this system that was basically free advertisement?

People say they have had problems with connections and downtime and the like.  I have plenty of friends on steam.  None of them complain about it.  All of them really enjoy steam.  And gosh, some of them are REAL complainers in games about the game, so I know they'd be all over steam if it was bad like some of you people claim.  I really wonder how many of you have actually played games on their system.

No problems playing GA, Civ5 (meh), DoW2, or any other exclusive Steam game.  We must be part of a tiny minority who don't get problems. Lucky us <.<.

Originally posted by marinrider

Originally posted by grunty

 

Kroger's requires you to have a Kroger discount card in order to get the best shelf price of items in their store. They also use it to track purchases. I don't shop at Kroger's because they do track what I buy. Not what is bought most often but what I buy. That is why I am willing to pay a bit more at a store that does not directly track my purchases

It's not paranoia. It's privacy.

I'm not trying to bait or anything, but if they do track your purchases what are they going to do with that information?  I mean mainly its used for things like demographics.  I worked at kroger for a period of time and used my Kroger card plenty and never got any sort of mail that was out of the ordinary from the time I started to after, and I still use that card.  My parents get no mail from them or anyone remotely associated with them.

I made an addendum to my post but it's simple. They can track purchases in their store all they want. They can track what items are purchased at the same time. When they started tracking that I purchased those items they could go piss up a rope.

Several years after I stopped shopping there they sent a generic letter to me asking to shop at Kroger's. They also asked for my input on what would cause me to shop there. I replied telling them I used to buy from them. I also stated that until they got rid of their discount/tracking cards I wouldn't shop there again.

Albertson's got rid of their tracking cards shortly before Kroger's started theirs. I now shop at Albertson's.

ANOTHER edit. Having shopped there for several years before they introduced their 'discount' cards I was familiar with the prices of many items. The day they started requiring their cards I went in and checked the shelf prices for those items. I found on average that there were no discounts on any of those items when purchased with this so-called discount card. Right beside those prices in smaller type were prices averaging between 10% and 20% higher if you did not use their card.

There were no discounts. There were price hikes for those who didn't want their purchases tracked. That is why I no longer shop at Kroger's.

Originally posted by Adamai

ok ive been checking out a few games recently one of which dawn of war 2.. now ive come across a potentialy huge blunder.

 

the fact of the matter is you cannot install this single player offline game unless you do infact have an internet connection and steam account and installed on your pc..

so why is that..

 

what if people that dont have the interent want to continue their love for al things warhammer!! thay cant.. im getting a bit pissed off with how many games today require you to have an internet connection before you can actually play them. why should we have to have an internet conneciton to play a game thats not played over the internet???

 

and more importanly when will some one do something about it.

its anoying as hell, im sitting here scratching my head and in disbeleif that inorder to play this game i must go through steam to do so. it absolutely will not function unless im online with steam active, and to top it off it auto updates the game meaning you have to sit through a good hour of patching before you can run it..???  you cant bypass it or opt out of patching to play on your local machine in single player mode no no.. steam forces you to endure their shitty download speeds and wait for a patch you dont necessarily like in the first place..

 

 

its all abit wrong!!

nice comments guys, some one abovce said you dont need steam to play the game.. if thats true how come everytime i click the shortcut for certain games like supremem commander2 dow2 and shogun2 the game always start steam first.. also if i uninstall steam the game simply doesnt start.

they are actually forceing people to have internet connection to play products on their list. and whats worst is the products dont actually belong to steam. it has to be affecting potential sales. i know alot of people who dont use the internet who love playing their single player titles.

i dont suppose any one knows of any work arounds to cut steam out of the running process.. my games dont even start on steam and i have no clue why not because they used to. well about 5 years ago atleast when i was playing fear and halflife.

when i activate the game the creen preperation box pops up for one or two seconds then dissapears and thennothing happens. i have all the net.framework packs redist's and so on. latest graphics drivers sound drivers and so on. pc is more than enough to play the game. and its on windows xp so i shouldnt be having any problems at all running sp2

so yea its definately wrong to force people into useing steam like that to play certain games.

Originally posted by Sepulcher

I find that if you open steam games from you "games" folder, not your program list from the start menu, they dont have you go through steam to play them.  I have several RTS games that I got from steam and so far it works for all of them.

ok now i havnt tried this. im gonna give it a bash and keep you posted ;)

Originally posted by Swanea

This is a FOR REALZ question.

Does steam pay or get paid to have game exclusively?

Do some games that cannot afford to advertise (see Magicka and the like) go from selling a couple thousand games to a couple hundred thousand games ++ because they used this system that was basically free advertisement?

 

People say they have had problems with connections and downtime and the like.  I have plenty of friends on steam.  None of them complain about it.  All of them really enjoy steam.  And gosh, some of them are REAL complainers in games about the game, so I know they'd be all over steam if it was bad like some of you people claim.  I really wonder how many of you have actually played games on their system.

No problems playing GA, Civ5 (meh), DoW2, or any other exclusive Steam game.  We must be part of a tiny minority who don't get problems. Lucky us <.<.

you can get magika through impulse and its far less restrictive and doesnt require impulse to run. impulse is the same as steam inregaurds to game libraries but it doesnt force you to go through them to play the game, i have a few titles through impulse and i think its far better than this steam catastrophy.

Originally posted by Adamai

nice comments guys, some one abovce said you dont need steam to play the game.. if thats true how come everytime i click the shortcut for certain games like supremem commander2 dow2 and shogun2 the game always start steam first.. also if i uninstall steam the game simply doesnt start.

Go to C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\, find the folder for the game you want, right click on the .EXE file for the game and choose 'Send to > Create Desktop Shortcut'. A new icon for the game will appear on your desktop that will launch the game without running Steam. This may not work for all games but it does for the majority of them.

Edit: (Some games put the .EXE in a subfolder of the main game folder. If you search around a bit you should be able to find it.)

Bren

Originally posted by jadedlevir

Well what I find funny is when players try to justify priating games as some kind of moral crusade against the evil gaming corporation and their safeguards to pirates. Or even on stand on principle, or because of x  and y...

In some cases there is legit reasons to pirate games, but most of the time it's just because people like free stuff...and I've pirated my share of stuff, so I'm guilty of it too. But don't give this other BS, just say what it is.

i think the most legit reason for pirateing games has to be the war against cost and over pricing. granted it takes much more money to create a video game than it does to create a music cd.. but still the cost of a video game in comparrison is 4x more in some case 5 and if its an extended special edition it can be as much as 7-10 times dependent upon the title.

games are over priced. we all know they are because it only takes a few months for a new release to go from 40 pounds/dollars to as little as 25.99 and half a year later you can pick the game up for as little as 19.99 and then a year later its on offer for silly money.. like 6-7 quid..  

so if they can sell these games at 6-7 and still make a proffit why are they stinging us all with 40 pound/dollars releases from the start, all they are dsoing is cutting down the amount of products they sell by makeing it too exspencive. 40 bucks for a cd is alot of money and they must sell millions of copies of each title so they are definatrely makeing money even if the games are only 6-7 quid a peice.

the gameing industry is just a huge con.

take a look at the mmo games especially the ones liek sto with the pay to play system and microtransactions..

first you have to buy the game. on release it cost me 40 quid. sure i got 30 days free. but then it was something like 10.00 per month after that, and     you dont get the full game because some of it is locked away in the c-store. they claim it wont enhance the players and is meer cosmetics. thats just not true. their are items in there that buff your charecter and ship classes which are more powerful than the stuff you can getr in game. and to get it ingame they want you to do rediculous collections to unlock them. which if i may say so is takeing huge amount of time to do.

whats worse people are compliant with it. they pay for the game then they pay monthly to play then they pay to use the c-store lol.. now is that just madness or is that something i wont ever understand.

i think games should do one or the other and trying to have both is just theft.  and at the same time they are trying their level best to prevent people from pirateing their games and hqacking them.

i can see why people do hack and pirate games when they do things like this.. sto and its excessive cost to play  and steam games and its requirement to install and play games.

i miss the times when i could just go to a store purchase a game and play it and not have to faff around trying to get it to work.

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by Adamai

nice comments guys, some one abovce said you dont need steam to play the game.. if thats true how come everytime i click the shortcut for certain games like supremem commander2 dow2 and shogun2 the game always start steam first.. also if i uninstall steam the game simply doesnt start.

Go to C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\, find the folder for the game you want, right click on the .EXE file for the game and choose 'Send to > Create Desktop Shortcut'. A new icon for the game will appear on your desktop that will launch the game without running Steam. This may not work for all games but it does for the majority of them.

 

Bren

ok gonna try that now, bit of a pain in the rear end though dont you think to hve to do all that to make a game work lol surely we should expect these things to be user friendly, they are just video games. cheers matey ill give it a go

This has been discussed over and over and over again. I simply don't see why people are making this big of a deal of it. Everybody has an internet connection nowadays.

You don't want to get steam? Why the hell no? 

Besides when you purchased the game you agreed that you will need steam to install it. It's on the cover. Doesn't matter if you read it or not.

Originally posted by fivoroth

This has been discussed over and over and over again. I simply don't see why people are making this big of a deal of it. Everybody has an internet connection nowadays.

You don't want to get steam? Why the hell no? 

Besides when you purchased the game you agreed that you will need steam to install it. It's on the cover. Doesn't matter if you read it or not.

actually!! when you download the game from a thrid party site, it hardly ever says anything about having to have another third party online software to run the game..

and thats the whole point of the thread matey. and not all copies of all games listed on steam have that stated on the back of the box/case. ive been playing games for a long long time and i only have trouble with the stuff forced through steam.

infact i have so much trouble that the game ive been trying to get tow rok on steam according to steam pop up errors no longer exists in my library lol , but i can see the game is actualy in my library and installed and according to steam ready to play.

and clicking play now no longer doesnt run at all, but instead produces an error that says the game isnt their and dll files are missing.

so !!   any theorys on that?

and all i did was was reboot my pc.

Originally posted by fivoroth

This has been discussed over and over and over again. I simply don't see why people are making this big of a deal of it. Everybody has an internet connection nowadays.

You don't want to get steam? Why the hell no? 

Besides when you purchased the game you agreed that you will need steam to install it. It's on the cover. Doesn't matter if you read it or not.

having to use steam is not a problem i dont mind useing it, but i do mind when it doesnt work for any games. steam just isnt working for me with any game. ive installed it uninstalled it time and tme again. redownloaded all the games even tried to install my games on disc back onto the machine which now require steam to use lol.

so all those games i used to love playing that now go through steam cant be played.

so do you have any info on this little issue that could maybe be of help or anything informative to which may be causeing the problem. :)  because reading the back of boxes doesnt seem to work.

Originally posted by Adamai

Originally posted by fivoroth

This has been discussed over and over and over again. I simply don't see why people are making this big of a deal of it. Everybody has an internet connection nowadays.

You don't want to get steam? Why the hell no? 

Besides when you purchased the game you agreed that you will need steam to install it. It's on the cover. Doesn't matter if you read it or not.

actually!! when you download the game from a thrid party site, it hardly ever says anything about having to have another third party online software to run the game..

 

and thats the whole point of the thread matey. and not all copies of all games listed on steam have that stated on the back of the box/case. ive been playing games for a long long time and i only have trouble with the stuff forced through steam.

infact i have so much trouble that the game ive been trying to get tow rok on steam according to steam pop up errors no longer exists in my library lol , but i can see the game is actualy in my library and installed and according to steam ready to play.

and clicking play now no longer doesnt run at all, but instead produces an error that says the game isnt their and dll files are missing.

so !!   any theorys on that?

and all i did was was reboot my pc.

If the game has a 'Launcher.exe' file you have to shortcut that one instead of the one that is the <gamename>.exe. Sorry, should have put that in my last post. It may be a variation of that like Fallout: New Vegas is actually called 'NVLauncher.EXE' as an example.

Bren

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by Adamai

Originally posted by fivoroth

This has been discussed over and over and over again. I simply don't see why people are making this big of a deal of it. Everybody has an internet connection nowadays.

You don't want to get steam? Why the hell no? 

Besides when you purchased the game you agreed that you will need steam to install it. It's on the cover. Doesn't matter if you read it or not.

actually!! when you download the game from a thrid party site, it hardly ever says anything about having to have another third party online software to run the game..

 

and thats the whole point of the thread matey. and not all copies of all games listed on steam have that stated on the back of the box/case. ive been playing games for a long long time and i only have trouble with the stuff forced through steam.

infact i have so much trouble that the game ive been trying to get tow rok on steam according to steam pop up errors no longer exists in my library lol , but i can see the game is actualy in my library and installed and according to steam ready to play.

and clicking play now no longer doesnt run at all, but instead produces an error that says the game isnt their and dll files are missing.

so !!   any theorys on that?

and all i did was was reboot my pc.

If the game has a 'Launcher.exe' file you have to shortcut that one instead of the one that is the .exe. Sorry, should have put that in my last post. It may be a variation of that like Fallout: New Vegas is actually called 'NVLauncher.EXE' as an example.

 

Bren

thanx for trying buddy, but it dont matter now lol.. now its really just not working at all. im getting dll error messages and its saying its not installed. but it is ive been into all the files even made that short cut to the game and well according to steam the games not installed while at the same time its saying the game is missing dll files lol

i have no idea how that can happen. i know quiet a bit about computers and files and makeing things work on them but i cant do this.

this is just silly. its every game i have on steam. not just a few. funny thing is i never used to have any problems with steam.

but still it shouldnt force you to register the game and install through steam before you can even play it. 

steam is a right royal pile of toss.

In this day and age you practically cant escape being on the internet anyways.

Whats the problem?

I understand why you wouldnt like it but i mean come on, you got net cafe's and cell phones that run the internet.

Originally posted by Adamai

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by Adamai

Originally posted by fivoroth

This has been discussed over and over and over again. I simply don't see why people are making this big of a deal of it. Everybody has an internet connection nowadays.

You don't want to get steam? Why the hell no? 

Besides when you purchased the game you agreed that you will need steam to install it. It's on the cover. Doesn't matter if you read it or not.

actually!! when you download the game from a thrid party site, it hardly ever says anything about having to have another third party online software to run the game..

 

and thats the whole point of the thread matey. and not all copies of all games listed on steam have that stated on the back of the box/case. ive been playing games for a long long time and i only have trouble with the stuff forced through steam.

infact i have so much trouble that the game ive been trying to get tow rok on steam according to steam pop up errors no longer exists in my library lol , but i can see the game is actualy in my library and installed and according to steam ready to play.

and clicking play now no longer doesnt run at all, but instead produces an error that says the game isnt their and dll files are missing.

so !!   any theorys on that?

and all i did was was reboot my pc.

If the game has a 'Launcher.exe' file you have to shortcut that one instead of the one that is the .exe. Sorry, should have put that in my last post. It may be a variation of that like Fallout: New Vegas is actually called 'NVLauncher.EXE' as an example.

 

Bren

thanx for trying buddy, but it dont matter now lol.. now its really just not working at all. im getting dll error messages and its saying its not installed. but it is ive been into all the files even made that short cut to the game and well according to steam the games not installed while at the same time its saying the game is missing dll files lol

i have no idea how that can happen. i know quiet a bit about computers and files and makeing things work on them but i cant do this.

this is just silly. its every game i have on steam. not just a few. funny thing is i never used to have any problems with steam.

but still it shouldnt force you to register the game and install through steam before you can even play it. 

steam is a right royal pile of toss.

In the years I've been using Steam, I've never experienced anything close to what you're describing. 

If you're having trouble getting one game to run through Steam, you can try verifying the local files.  That should tell you if a file you need is corrupted or missing.  I'm at work so I can't describe exactly where this action is found but I know it's not well hidden.

But if you're having problems with all of your games, your Steam client is probably pooched and needs to be reinstalled.  It's possible that files the client itself needs to operate have been inadvertantly moved or deleted, making it impossible for it to launch any game properly.

I thought the same thing as the above poster actually when i read that all games were having issues. Made me think maybe try reinstalling Steam, that doesnt sound normal at all but whatevs.

Good luck!

Oh yeah the corrupt files thing can be found just by right clicking the titles name in your library.