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  Akaronia

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Joined: 4/21/11
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5/03/11 5:37:27 AM#21
Originally posted by nomss

I was registered for DCUO. What should I be doing?

   Not to get off topic here but order a new card and then make sure your card is from and institution that supports secure code which is a newer, new security measure that debit and credit card companies have available.  Also in about 6 months you are going to want to get your credit report and get a hold of the proper authorities to ask what comes next.

     Well I can honestly say that any company who actually still has enough respect to compensate their consumers for something that went wrong is not bad in my eyes.  Sony does way more to make up to their consumers when something like this happens than say Blizzard.  And I have heard oh no of course not no one ever got personal information that Blizzard has.  Well if that were true then how were hackers literally turning on inactive account last year?  only way to do that is if you have personal information guys.  :D  And what did they do to make up for it?  Gave the stuff back that got stolen from a fake toon and said there you go now go secure your computer better than you have it secured now.........  And that was literally their response.  GM's and all.    They didn't even tell people how to secure them or what to do because your personal information is at risk just go make your computer less at risk so this doesn't happen again.  Hmmmm wonder how the people got into the people's computers in the first place if they were not able to hack WoW and keylog in?  Yeah maybe their could have been better measures taken, but honestly if this was an inside job incryption or no they would have managed to get through it anyway.

     I never have understood why people wait until something like this to come out of the closets and pounce on a company because of hate issues.  And honestly if their were that many Sony haters they would not have lasted this long.

  Everket

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5/03/11 6:04:21 AM#22

Such a good post Akaronia, I was thinking something similar, but didn't have the knowledge about the English language to type something like that.

  Faelan

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Oops - looks like I'm an internet dog who somehow learned how to type. What has the world come to?

5/03/11 7:07:21 AM#23
Originally posted by Akaronia

     I never have understood why people wait until something like this to come out of the closets and pounce on a company because of hate issues.  And honestly if their were that many Sony haters they would not have lasted this long.


My experience with SOE goes back to EQ in 1999. Frankly, during most of the time I've been a SOE customer, I've tried hard to ignore the feeling of constantly being treated like dirt. I've survived a barrage of revamps and what not. Tried to look at the positive side for most parts. Except the NGE which I could in no way stomach, but I moved on after the initial rage of having my beloved game ruined by a bunch of jerks with a brain hemorrhage. For a while, things looked a bit brighter with SOE taking over the Vanguard mess and trying to fix it, but then they completely abandoned it and decided to mess with EQ2 instead (which I haven't really been playing anyway, so meh). Now my personal info, credit card number, login, hashed password and maybe more has been leaked to people with questionable motives due to their incompetence.

Call me a hater if you must. I have no problem with that at this stage. They have screwed me over so many times that I've lost count. I can't say that about any other MMO company that I've done business with, except perhaps when GOA ran DAOC in the EU. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed... SOE isn't doing very well and hasn't for quite some time.

Anyway, I think I've given them more chances than they deserve and each time I've ended up feeling like the fool. No more I say.

Goodbye SOE.

I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  kado2

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Joined: 12/21/06
Posts: 80

5/03/11 7:12:24 AM#24

I can honestly say I'm not surprised in anyway. I mean after PSN was hacked I was just waiting for SOE to get hacked. With the amount of people out here that are tech savvy that they've upset over the years It really was just a matter of time before it happened. With this though, and the fact I've still yet to recieve information about my account possibly being hacked (which it was before) I have decided to end all future play of SOE games and concentrate on those of other developers.

Retired: EVE, SWG, STO, EQ2, Ryzom, AO, LotRO, FFXI
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  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5188

5/03/11 7:13:31 AM#25
Originally posted by Faelan
Originally posted by Akaronia

     I never have understood why people wait until something like this to come out of the closets and pounce on a company because of hate issues.  And honestly if their were that many Sony haters they would not have lasted this long.


My experience with SOE goes back to EQ in 1999. Frankly, during most of the time I've been a SOE customer, I've tried hard to ignore the feeling of constantly being treated like dirt. I've survived a barrage of revamps and what not. Tried to look at the positive side for most parts. Except the NGE which I could in no way stomach, but I moved on after the initial rage of having my beloved game ruined by a bunch of jerks with a brain hemorrhage. For a while, things looked a bit brighter with SOE taking over the Vanguard mess and trying to fix it, but then they completely abandoned it and decided to mess with EQ2 instead (which I haven't really been playing anyway, so meh). Now my personal info, credit card number, login, hashed password and maybe more has been leaked to people with questionable motives due to their incompetence.

Call me a hater if you must. I have no problem with that at this stage. They have screwed me over so many times that I've lost count. I can't say that about any other MMO company that I've done business with, except perhaps when GOA ran DAOC in the EU. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed... SOE isn't doing very well and hasn't for quite some time.

Anyway, I think I've given them more chances than they deserve and each time I've ended up feeling like the fool. No more I say.

Goodbye SOE.

 Well said!

Fact is, that John Smedly has practically run SOE halfway into the ground already with two major lay offs the past 2 years that support that feeling!

Instead of him being fired as a totally incompetent CEO, the real hardworking and competent people had to suffer and been laid off and him continue to sit where still sits.

I hope this latest debacle will be the final straw and him having to step down and go away. 

People can all say what they want. Fact is, that this was just a dissaster waiting to happen.  And now it did and all our personal (and financial) information is out on the street !

  jpnz

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Joined: 6/29/06
Posts: 3564

5/03/11 7:20:07 AM#26
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Faelan
Originally posted by Akaronia

     I never have understood why people wait until something like this to come out of the closets and pounce on a company because of hate issues.  And honestly if their were that many Sony haters they would not have lasted this long.


My experience with SOE goes back to EQ in 1999. Frankly, during most of the time I've been a SOE customer, I've tried hard to ignore the feeling of constantly being treated like dirt. I've survived a barrage of revamps and what not. Tried to look at the positive side for most parts. Except the NGE which I could in no way stomach, but I moved on after the initial rage of having my beloved game ruined by a bunch of jerks with a brain hemorrhage. For a while, things looked a bit brighter with SOE taking over the Vanguard mess and trying to fix it, but then they completely abandoned it and decided to mess with EQ2 instead (which I haven't really been playing anyway, so meh). Now my personal info, credit card number, login, hashed password and maybe more has been leaked to people with questionable motives due to their incompetence.

Call me a hater if you must. I have no problem with that at this stage. They have screwed me over so many times that I've lost count. I can't say that about any other MMO company that I've done business with, except perhaps when GOA ran DAOC in the EU. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed... SOE isn't doing very well and hasn't for quite some time.

Anyway, I think I've given them more chances than they deserve and each time I've ended up feeling like the fool. No more I say.

Goodbye SOE.

 Well said!

Fact is, that John Smedly has practically run SOE halfway into the ground already with two major lay offs the past 2 years that support that feeling!

Instead of him being fired as a totally incompetent CEO, the real hardworking and competent people had to suffer and been laid off and him continue to sit where still sits.

I hope this latest debacle will be the final straw and him having to step down and go away. 

People can all say what they want. Fact is, that this was just a dissaster waiting to happen.  And now it did and all our personal (and financial) information is out on the street !

Contrary to popular belief that an incident like this can 'destroy' a company, it won't.

Remember TJX? Yeah, look at their stock prices. It climbed 100% since their 'data leak' incident.

The general public has a very short memory.

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Nilenya

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Joined: 5/01/08
Posts: 341

5/03/11 7:29:38 AM#27

I think we can all expect that other companies are making sure they wont be next :) If something good is going to come of this its that SoE has bombed in the primetime news and not hidden away in some asian main feed like NCsoft. Hopefully Trion, Bioware, Mythic, Blizzard etc etc are all making sure they are safe as houses in this regard.

 

But lets not forget that NCsoft has had peoples information stolen on more than one occasion and been to court several times. SoE probably even knew about it in much more detail than any of us, and still slacked on their end.

And people do have short term memories. If they come out with a good product people will sign up and play it in the future I am sure.

 

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5262

5/03/11 7:32:22 AM#28
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Faelan
Originally posted by Akaronia

     I never have understood why people wait until something like this to come out of the closets and pounce on a company because of hate issues.  And honestly if their were that many Sony haters they would not have lasted this long.


My experience with SOE goes back to EQ in 1999. Frankly, during most of the time I've been a SOE customer, I've tried hard to ignore the feeling of constantly being treated like dirt. I've survived a barrage of revamps and what not. Tried to look at the positive side for most parts. Except the NGE which I could in no way stomach, but I moved on after the initial rage of having my beloved game ruined by a bunch of jerks with a brain hemorrhage. For a while, things looked a bit brighter with SOE taking over the Vanguard mess and trying to fix it, but then they completely abandoned it and decided to mess with EQ2 instead (which I haven't really been playing anyway, so meh). Now my personal info, credit card number, login, hashed password and maybe more has been leaked to people with questionable motives due to their incompetence.

Call me a hater if you must. I have no problem with that at this stage. They have screwed me over so many times that I've lost count. I can't say that about any other MMO company that I've done business with, except perhaps when GOA ran DAOC in the EU. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed... SOE isn't doing very well and hasn't for quite some time.

Anyway, I think I've given them more chances than they deserve and each time I've ended up feeling like the fool. No more I say.

Goodbye SOE.

 Well said!

Fact is, that John Smedly has practically run SOE halfway into the ground already with two major lay offs the past 2 years that support that feeling!

Instead of him being fired as a totally incompetent CEO, the real hardworking and competent people had to suffer and been laid off and him continue to sit where still sits.

I hope this latest debacle will be the final straw and him having to step down and go away. 

People can all say what they want. Fact is, that this was just a dissaster waiting to happen.  And now it did and all our personal (and financial) information is out on the street !

Contrary to popular belief that an incident like this can 'destroy' a company, it won't.

Remember TJX? Yeah, look at their stock prices. It climbed 100% since their 'data leak' incident.

The general public has a very short memory.

popular belief? .. there has never been a leak of this magnitude before.. Sony has created a new milestone in data protection.. or complete lack of it.. Sony might well survive this 'debacle' but there is no way it will not be severely damaged by it.. and.. as has already been noted.. Sony isnt exactly doing that well financially anyway.. hence the recent layoffs etc.. and if you think this will fade from the publics memory after a few days.. good luck with that.. this might well be the last straw that broke the camels back.. one more screw up though.. and it becomes a certainty.. .. and its not like Sony/SOE are a company that as a reputation for doing otherwise...

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5188

5/03/11 7:34:12 AM#29
Originally posted by Nilenya

I think we can all expect that other companies are making sure they wont be next :) If something good is going to come of this its that SoE has bombed in the primetime news and not hidden away in some asian main feed like NCsoft. Hopefully Trion, Bioware, Mythic, Blizzard etc etc are all making sure they are safe as houses in this regard.

 

But lets not forget that NCsoft has had peoples information stolen on more than one occasion and been to court several times. SoE probably even knew about it in much more detail than any of us, and still slacked on their end.

And people do have short term memories. If they come out with a good product people will sign up and play it in the future I am sure.

 

 Well that it is for sure. I work in the IT myself and this whole debacle with Sony and SOE is sertainly a hot topic right now.

Security awereness has sertainly gone up a few notchs and you can bet a lot of companies are going to look into their security right now.

  Yamota

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OP  5/03/11 7:35:49 AM#30

Hopefully the guy(s) who done this will get caught as well because this is some major theft we are talking about. A shame to see it go unpunished.

  jpnz

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Joined: 6/29/06
Posts: 3564

5/03/11 7:43:09 AM#31
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by jpnz
 

Contrary to popular belief that an incident like this can 'destroy' a company, it won't.

Remember TJX? Yeah, look at their stock prices. It climbed 100% since their 'data leak' incident.

The general public has a very short memory.

popular belief? .. there has never been a leak of this magnitude before.. Sony has created a new milestone in data protection.. or complete lack of it.. Sony might well survive this 'debacle' but there is no way it will not be severely damaged by it.. and.. as has already been noted.. Sony isnt exactly doing that well financially anyway.. hence the recent layoffs etc.. and if you think this will fade from the publics memory after a few days.. good luck with that.. this might well be the last straw that broke the camels back.. one more screw up though.. and it becomes a certainty.. .. and its not like Sony/SOE are a company that as a reputation for doing otherwise...

Financial market is a fickle thing. Like I said, unless Sony made products that will kill the user when properly used the public will forget. This isn't the first leak and it won't be the last.

Remember Facebook and how the profiles was being used?

Remember Google when they said 'China is hacking our Gmail'?

How about MS who isn't exactly 100% in the security field.

Right now, Apple is having a wonderful time with its 'locationgate'.

Did any of those companies suffer any long term issues? 

Answer, Nope.

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  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5188

5/03/11 7:43:50 AM#32
Originally posted by Yamota

Hopefully the guy(s) who done this will get caught as well because this is some major theft we are talking about. A shame to see it go unpunished.

 I really hope so. But if they are really that good, they probably have covered their tracks well enough.

Sad thing is tho. They got hold of all this data over 2 weeks ago, so it shouldn't come as a suprise if they already sold it on the black market for lots of money.

Personal data is worth a fortune on the black market. :-(

  spades07

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5/03/11 11:17:38 AM#33

this has now cost £6.99/month to watch out for identity fraud..

  Akaronia

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5/03/11 12:06:40 PM#34
Originally posted by Nilenya

I think we can all expect that other companies are making sure they wont be next :) If something good is going to come of this its that SoE has bombed in the primetime news and not hidden away in some asian main feed like NCsoft. Hopefully Trion, Bioware, Mythic, Blizzard etc etc are all making sure they are safe as houses in this regard.

 

But lets not forget that NCsoft has had peoples information stolen on more than one occasion and been to court several times. SoE probably even knew about it in much more detail than any of us, and still slacked on their end.

And people do have short term memories. If they come out with a good product people will sign up and play it in the future I am sure.

 

    Well everyone seems to forget that last fall there was a HUGE rash of hacking on WoW not only on active accounts but also inactive due to a company that Blizzard allows to do their addons.  curse.com was hacked and it hacked into WoW which in turn gave out people's information to their accounts not only were they hacking the accounts and getting people's information they were hacking entire servers within WoW and going underneath them.  Of course after the fact they stepped up security to the curse.com auto addon updater which allowed this in teh first place.  :)

   As said before short memories people still bought Cataclysm and Activision Blizzard netted over 4 Billion last year.

  nariusseldon

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5/03/11 1:13:01 PM#35
Originally posted by Yamota

Apparently accounts for way back of 2007 was compromised... not sure but I do thing I tried EQ 2 during that time and Vanguard.

My CC info is no longer valid though so thats good atleast...

 

Same here. I had an old EQ account that was never deleted.

  saxifr

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5/03/11 1:56:14 PM#36
Originally posted by Akaronia
Originally posted by Nilenya

I think we can all expect that other companies are making sure they wont be next :) If something good is going to come of this its that SoE has bombed in the primetime news and not hidden away in some asian main feed like NCsoft. Hopefully Trion, Bioware, Mythic, Blizzard etc etc are all making sure they are safe as houses in this regard.

 

But lets not forget that NCsoft has had peoples information stolen on more than one occasion and been to court several times. SoE probably even knew about it in much more detail than any of us, and still slacked on their end.

And people do have short term memories. If they come out with a good product people will sign up and play it in the future I am sure.

 

    Well everyone seems to forget that last fall there was a HUGE rash of hacking on WoW not only on active accounts but also inactive due to a company that Blizzard allows to do their addons.  curse.com was hacked and it hacked into WoW which in turn gave out people's information to their accounts not only were they hacking the accounts and getting people's information they were hacking entire servers within WoW and going underneath them.  Of course after the fact they stepped up security to the curse.com auto addon updater which allowed this in teh first place.  :)

   As said before short memories people still bought Cataclysm and Activision Blizzard netted over 4 Billion last year.

How many days did Blizzard have to take every single one of their products offline?

RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

  GreenKnight1776

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5/03/11 3:15:27 PM#37

How many days did Blizzard have to take every single one of their products offline?

 

 ALL of SOE is completely down as of now. It might be days before any of their systems are put back online. To add to the above, has anything of this magnitude happened to an MMO producer/publisher in the past?

  saxifr

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5/03/11 3:25:36 PM#38
Originally posted by GreenKnight7

How many days did Blizzard have to take every single one of their products offline?

 

 ALL of SOE is completely down as of now. It might be days before any of their systems are put back online. To add to the above, has anything of this magnitude happened to an MMO producer/publisher in the past?

^ I don't know if the responsible thing would have been for Blizzad to shut down and take stock.

 

I'm also surprised at the magnitude of the theft - SOE AND PSN

 

Around 100 million users total?

RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

  DLangley

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5/03/11 4:22:52 PM#39

Since there are multiple News items on this topic already, Ill be closing this up.

 

Locked.

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