Originally posted by rewone

i hate hackers 

They seem to me like a bunch of highly gifted whiny attention whores, but they did expose some gaping holes in Sony's security system.  Hopefully Sony learns from this, protects their network, and goes about tracking down the hackers the right way.

Don't say the Station. 

Say the Crack ('d) Station.

NO SOE FOR ME!

Latest news feed is saying 25 million more accounts got hacked today, and SOE hopes credit cards were not compromised along with the accounts.

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by rewone

i hate hackers 

 

They seem to me like a bunch of highly gifted whiny attention whores, but they did expose some gaping holes in Sony's security system.  Hopefully Sony learns from this, protects their network, and goes about tracking down the hackers the right way.

Nothing gifted about a bunch of script kiddies. It's not like they discovered the vulnerabilities themselves. They ran scripts against servers and got a report that said such and such port is open or such and such vulnerability is available. They then exploited it. The only real thing crackers (the correct term, fyi) have is the will to do wrong.

So SOE was hacked two weeks ago and they just discovered it now? 

Wow, that's just pathetic...

Originally posted by SpectralHunt

So SOE was hacked two weeks ago and they just discovered it now? 

Wow, that's just pathetic...

 

I guess you havent been a customer of SoE very long:D   you see, how SoE works is that, unless they admit something happened, then it didnt happen:D   just like bugs in their software, unless they ADMIT there is a bug, then there is NO bugs in their software....   ever :D

any/all EQ1 player can agree on that fact:D  what they will do is next week they will roll out the new expansion to the hack and charge everyone another $35 to log into their new hacked login server "expansion" with bigger and nastier hacks so you will forget about the hacks from this week.  and you will need to anticipate a few weeks of emergency nerfs for them to fix the hacks so that EVERYBODY can take a few more days off from online addiction compliments of SoE:D

See now this right here is the kind of stuff that will make me write off a company all together. bad games no, bad CS no, getting my info taken from a company that was suppose to keep it safe, yeah thats big enough to do it.

I'm still unsure if i was hit by this or not. I will err on the side that i was and take the proper precuations. But this is the one thing that will stop me from dealing with a company. Pity to. I liked EQ and SWG. Now they are out.

The only way i will be willing to go back is if they can ensure that they have taken every precuations needed to increase secruity and even at that i'm going to be extremely cautious and unlikely to sub. Usernames and passwords i can change. CC info, and personal info i never should have to worry about.

/emote shakes head at sony.

Originally posted by whilan

See now this right here is the kind of stuff that will make me write off a company all together. bad games no, bad CS no, getting my info taken from a company that was suppose to keep it safe, yeah thats big enough to do it.

I'm still unsure if i was hit by this or not. I will err on the side that i was and take the proper precuations. But this is the one thing that will stop me from dealing with a company. Pity to. I liked EQ and SWG. Now they are out.

The only way i will be willing to go back is if they can ensure that they have taken every precuations needed to increase secruity and even at that i'm going to be extremely cautious and unlikely to sub. Usernames and passwords i can change. CC info, and personal info i never should have to worry about.

/emote shakes head at sony.

Not making excuses for SOE at all or see this situation lightly, but you'll be surprised how many big companies get hacked on a regular basis.  Every year you hear a credit card company gets hacked,  Ever year you hear a health insurance company lost their data tape which just happen to contain all their patient data, which just happen to include social security #'s and everything.  Every other month you see hackers taking down government websites, penetrating specific databases, stealing customer information from online merchant stores, etc..

This is just a sample of some recent hack incidents. 

So again, not to excuse SOE at all, but I think you have to expect this to happen more and more as more and more things go online.  When you have a server that's online taking data, then chances are if hackers want to get in bad enough they can get in.  And as mentioned before, sometimes hacks start from within.  Disgruntled employee or someone who wants to get paid more than their salary would sell vulnerability information just to make extra bucks.  It happens more than you think.  The good that can come from it is that usually when something big like this happens, this is when the company spends a lot of money and resources to get it "right".

I don't know heck how secure the Sony systems were. But I find it remarkable that almost everyone is just angry at Sony and none against the criminals who did this. I'd suppose there is no system that is 100% safe. Just saying.

Originally posted by Elikal

I don't know heck how secure the Sony systems were. But I find it remarkable that almost everyone is just angry at Sony and none against the criminals who did this. I'd suppose there is no system that is 100% safe. Just saying.

 

 We are angry at Sony and SOE, because they stored our Account and Personal information UNSECURED in databases!

Not to mention they kept an UNSECURED database ONLINE with people's account, personal and credit information!! Outdated or not!

There is absolutely no excuse for this! A company that receives millions of dollars a month alone via subscription fees and Cash Shop purchases!

People underestimate the danger of their Login name (station account name) being stolen! Especially since many many people use this same Login name / account name for many online services. Passwords can be changed, but login names / account names cannot!

This will have severe concequences and is going to cause a lot of misery for people affected!

I sincerely hope John Smedly will finally be booted from the company! He has been laying off many people these past years due to his incompetence to run the company.

It is now his time to take responsibility for this FIASCO and leave the company! Any CEO would have been fired long ago already. That he is still at the helm is a down right insult!  This is really the last straw!

The trust in this company is just gone! And it will take new leadership and clean ship to even attempt a regain in trust towards their customers!

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

I don't know heck how secure the Sony systems were. But I find it remarkable that almost everyone is just angry at Sony and none against the criminals who did this. I'd suppose there is no system that is 100% safe. Just saying.

 

 We are angry at Sony and SOE, because they stored our Account and Personal information UNSECURED in databases!

Not to mention they kept an UNSECURED database ONLINE with people's account, personal and credit information!! Outdated or not!

There is absolutely no excuse for this! A company that receives millions of dollars a month alone via subscription fees and Cash Shop purchases!

People underestimate the danger of their Login name (station account name) being stolen! Especially since many many people use this same Login name / account name for many online services. Passwords can be changed, but login names / account names cannot!

This will have severe concequences and is going to cause a lot of misery for people affected!

 

I sincerely hope John Smedly will finally be booted from the company! He has been laying off many people these past years due to his incompetence to run the company.

It is now his time to take responsibility for this FIASCO and leave the company! Any CEO would have been fired long ago already. That he is still at the helm is a down right insult!  This is really the last straw!

How do you know they were unsecured? I assume they were secured, but security was broken?

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

I don't know heck how secure the Sony systems were. But I find it remarkable that almost everyone is just angry at Sony and none against the criminals who did this. I'd suppose there is no system that is 100% safe. Just saying.

 

 We are angry at Sony and SOE, because they stored our Account and Personal information UNSECURED in databases!

Not to mention they kept an UNSECURED database ONLINE with people's account, personal and credit information!! Outdated or not!

There is absolutely no excuse for this! A company that receives millions of dollars a month alone via subscription fees and Cash Shop purchases!

People underestimate the danger of their Login name (station account name) being stolen! Especially since many many people use this same Login name / account name for many online services. Passwords can be changed, but login names / account names cannot!

This will have severe concequences and is going to cause a lot of misery for people affected!

 

I sincerely hope John Smedly will finally be booted from the company! He has been laying off many people these past years due to his incompetence to run the company.

It is now his time to take responsibility for this FIASCO and leave the company! Any CEO would have been fired long ago already. That he is still at the helm is a down right insult!  This is really the last straw!

How do you know they were unsecured? I assume they were secured, but security was broken?

 Unencrypted! I should have worded it better. I am just pissed off all our personal information, account information and possible credit card information (latter being outdated or not) is lying open on the street!

Especially since it happened a week ago and it them first saying last week everything is fine and peachy... and now a whole week later suddenly saying it is not!

And who says their so called secured seperate recent financial / credit card database environment hasn't been hacked and stolen either?

No one is going to believe SOE now!  Not when they first said last week that nothing was stolen! So who says they are telling us everything right now?

They pretty much lost all their credibility right now as a company!

For those interested... I've just dropped 2 inquiries to politicians for inquiries and action.

First one is to the Dutch Socialist Party (SP), to ask both the Dutch privacy protection agency our minister of Justice & Security what they're about to do after a breach of personal security.

Second one is to the EU department of Internet & security, our own Dutch (and probably most powerful woman in the world): Neelie Kroes asking to look into the way SONY has stored the private data of so many persons without using any form of encryption. I also added to the eMail to her that the iinformation that's stolen can lead to identity theft. Knowing Neelie, she'll pick this up and start asking some tough questions to SONY ;-)

Call you credit card company, and have your card replaced with a new code. They do it free of charge if your card is linked to Sony. I just did it this morning.

Originally posted by Reizla

For those interested... I've just dropped 2 inquiries to politicians for inquiries and action.

First one is to the Dutch Socialist Party (SP), to ask both the Dutch privacy protection agency our minister of Justice & Security what they're about to do after a breach of personal security.

Second one is to the EU department of Internet & security, our own Dutch (and probably most powerful woman in the world): Neelie Kroes asking to look into the way SONY has stored the private data of so many persons without using any form of encryption. I also added to the eMail to her that the iinformation that's stolen can lead to identity theft. Knowing Neelie, she'll pick this up and start asking some tough questions to SONY ;-)

 I think everyone needs to do this, so enough attention is generated with those politians.

And yes Neelie Kroes is one tough lady that made Microsoft fall to their knees a couple years ago heh.

Originally posted by Yasou

Call you credit card company, and have your card replaced with a new code. They do it free of charge if your card is linked to Sony. I just did it this morning.

 My girlfriend and me are going to do it too. We are not going to take any chances with this.

I don't believe anything come out from SOE anymore about what has really been stolen or not. Not after how this has been handled. And pretty much how Sony has handled this whole affair themselves.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

I don't know heck how secure the Sony systems were. But I find it remarkable that almost everyone is just angry at Sony and none against the criminals who did this. I'd suppose there is no system that is 100% safe. Just saying.

 

 We are angry at Sony and SOE, because they stored our Account and Personal information UNSECURED in databases!

Not to mention they kept an UNSECURED database ONLINE with people's account, personal and credit information!! Outdated or not!

There is absolutely no excuse for this! A company that receives millions of dollars a month alone via subscription fees and Cash Shop purchases!

People underestimate the danger of their Login name (station account name) being stolen! Especially since many many people use this same Login name / account name for many online services. Passwords can be changed, but login names / account names cannot!

This will have severe concequences and is going to cause a lot of misery for people affected!

 

I sincerely hope John Smedly will finally be booted from the company! He has been laying off many people these past years due to his incompetence to run the company.

It is now his time to take responsibility for this FIASCO and leave the company! Any CEO would have been fired long ago already. That he is still at the helm is a down right insult!  This is really the last straw!

How do you know they were unsecured? I assume they were secured, but security was broken?

 Unencrypted! I should have worded it better. I am just pissed off all our personal information, account information and possible credit card information (latter being outdated or not) is lying open on the street!

Especially since it happened a week ago and it them first saying last week everything is fine and peachy... and now a whole week later suddenly saying it is not!

And who says their so called secured seperate recent financial / credit card database environment hasn't been hacked and stolen either?

No one is going to believe SOE now!  Not when they first said last week that nothing was stolen! So who says they are telling us everything right now?

They pretty much lost all their credibility right now as a company!

Again, how do you know this? I mean, it would be scandalous no doubt. But how do you know Sony did not take the same security measures as any other company? I mean, it is bad, yes. But no company or goverment as far as I know was ever 100% secure. There sure is enough reason to question Sony's handling of the information. But where do you get the info that Sony had any less security measures than any other company? I just think with enough criminal energy and knowledge a person could crack any security, encryption or hack into any computer. I mean, even FBI or CIA were hacked once and then.

Where is the outcry against the criminals? Just for the cases of justice: Sony here is the victim just the same as we!

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

I don't know heck how secure the Sony systems were. But I find it remarkable that almost everyone is just angry at Sony and none against the criminals who did this. I'd suppose there is no system that is 100% safe. Just saying.

 

 We are angry at Sony and SOE, because they stored our Account and Personal information UNSECURED in databases!

Not to mention they kept an UNSECURED database ONLINE with people's account, personal and credit information!! Outdated or not!

There is absolutely no excuse for this! A company that receives millions of dollars a month alone via subscription fees and Cash Shop purchases!

People underestimate the danger of their Login name (station account name) being stolen! Especially since many many people use this same Login name / account name for many online services. Passwords can be changed, but login names / account names cannot!

This will have severe concequences and is going to cause a lot of misery for people affected!

 

I sincerely hope John Smedly will finally be booted from the company! He has been laying off many people these past years due to his incompetence to run the company.

It is now his time to take responsibility for this FIASCO and leave the company! Any CEO would have been fired long ago already. That he is still at the helm is a down right insult!  This is really the last straw!

How do you know they were unsecured? I assume they were secured, but security was broken?

 Unencrypted! I should have worded it better. I am just pissed off all our personal information, account information and possible credit card information (latter being outdated or not) is lying open on the street!

Especially since it happened a week ago and it them first saying last week everything is fine and peachy... and now a whole week later suddenly saying it is not!

And who says their so called secured seperate recent financial / credit card database environment hasn't been hacked and stolen either?

No one is going to believe SOE now!  Not when they first said last week that nothing was stolen! So who says they are telling us everything right now?

They pretty much lost all their credibility right now as a company!

Again, how do you know this? I mean, it would be scandalous no doubt. But how do you know Sony did not take the same security measures as any other company? I mean, it is bad, yes. But no company or goverment as far as I know was ever 100% secure. There sure is enough reason to question Sony's handling of the information. But where do you get the info that Sony had any less security measures than any other company? I just think with enough criminal energy and knowledge a person could crack any security, encryption or hack into any computer. I mean, even FBI or CIA were hacked once and then.

Where is the outcry against the criminals? Just for the cases of justice: Sony here is the victim just the same as we!

 Are you for real? Re-read the press release from BOTH Sony and SOE, including their security updates!

Then go to that law firm's website (I posted that earlier in this same topic) and read the contents of the Class Action Lawsuit against Sony (and now most probably also SOE).

Yes! it is that bad!

I feel the same way. I've been an SoE customer for almost 11 years, and this will not stop me from playing any of their titles, or from trusting them with my information.  If people really cared that much about security with their personal info, why not try paying for subs with game cards bought in retail stores or use paypal accounts to do it.  I was a server in a well known restaraunt chain for a long time, you do realize that when you hand your card over to pay your bill that they have access to all of your information right, and if you are in a smaller communtiy they most likely know or can find out birthdate/address/email and everything else.  I just love how JK is on here raging all about SoE not taking care of our information when they are most likely not affected by this in anyway.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Elikal

I don't know heck how secure the Sony systems were. But I find it remarkable that almost everyone is just angry at Sony and none against the criminals who did this. I'd suppose there is no system that is 100% safe. Just saying.

 

 We are angry at Sony and SOE, because they stored our Account and Personal information UNSECURED in databases!

Not to mention they kept an UNSECURED database ONLINE with people's account, personal and credit information!! Outdated or not!

There is absolutely no excuse for this! A company that receives millions of dollars a month alone via subscription fees and Cash Shop purchases!

People underestimate the danger of their Login name (station account name) being stolen! Especially since many many people use this same Login name / account name for many online services. Passwords can be changed, but login names / account names cannot!

This will have severe concequences and is going to cause a lot of misery for people affected!

 

I sincerely hope John Smedly will finally be booted from the company! He has been laying off many people these past years due to his incompetence to run the company.

It is now his time to take responsibility for this FIASCO and leave the company! Any CEO would have been fired long ago already. That he is still at the helm is a down right insult!  This is really the last straw!

How do you know they were unsecured? I assume they were secured, but security was broken?

 Unencrypted! I should have worded it better. I am just pissed off all our personal information, account information and possible credit card information (latter being outdated or not) is lying open on the street!

Especially since it happened a week ago and it them first saying last week everything is fine and peachy... and now a whole week later suddenly saying it is not!

And who says their so called secured seperate recent financial / credit card database environment hasn't been hacked and stolen either?

No one is going to believe SOE now!  Not when they first said last week that nothing was stolen! So who says they are telling us everything right now?

They pretty much lost all their credibility right now as a company!

Again, how do you know this? I mean, it would be scandalous no doubt. But how do you know Sony did not take the same security measures as any other company? I mean, it is bad, yes. But no company or goverment as far as I know was ever 100% secure. There sure is enough reason to question Sony's handling of the information. But where do you get the info that Sony had any less security measures than any other company? I just think with enough criminal energy and knowledge a person could crack any security, encryption or hack into any computer. I mean, even FBI or CIA were hacked once and then.

Where is the outcry against the criminals? Just for the cases of justice: Sony here is the victim just the same as we!

 Are you for real? Re-read the press release from BOTH Sony and SOE, including their security updates!

Then go to that law firm's website (I posted that earlier in this same topic) and read the contents of the Class Action Lawsuit against Sony (and now most probably also SOE).

Yes! it is that bad!

Last time I  checked people were not guilty before the end of the trial. But maybe that changed. Who knows.

I just can't shake away the feeling people went into torch and pitchfork mode because it's Sony. If the same had happend to, say, Apple, I am sure everyone would defend the company. But Sony is a too easy target to pass, eh?

Again: Where is the rage against the criminals? Far from me be it to excuse Sony, but you guys just have priorities sort of upside down.