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  aRtFuLThinG

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4/26/11 8:08:52 PM#41

Originally posted by Axeshun


Originally posted by Shroom_Mage

The Pay to Chat feature is little more than a way to allow PWE to profit from gold spammers. MapleStory had this feature, too, and it's probably second to none when it comes to bots and spammers.


 





Originally posted by Axeshun

And I realize that this wasnt covered in his article, but what the hell is wrong with the camera/movement relationship?  WASD movement,  but A and D straffe?WTF?  And there is no way to change it?(to my knowledge) And u have to manually turn the camera with the mouse for every minor turn or else you toon will be facing you.  Total fail in controls. 





 


I'd be surprised if you couldn't change your controls, but WASD movement (with A and D as strafe) is pretty much the way it's played. Using keys to turn is FAR too slow in almost every case, and even if sped up, it doesn't offer the accuracy of a mouse in any circumstance. Most games do not default to this, and it is always the first thing that I and many, many others change. Defaulting to a more practical control scheme is hardly "total fail".



Using A and D too slow to turn?  Thats a first....  Ive played way too many MMOs to list and I can only recall a couple that were defaulted to this broken control scheme.  And most of the majority of them had straffe and turn options such as Q and E strafee A and D turn W and S for foward and back.  That is pretty much the standard.  


But by the look of your other comment, I guess you are a blind defender of FW so nvm.



 


 I don't know what level you are pvping at but none of gladiator level pvpers in WoW or top pvpers in WAR that I know ever uses keyboards to turn - you map A and D to strafe so that you free up Q and E keys for mapping quick stun/crowd control/escape moves. Using Q and E for strafing is very wasteful.


Also, you are basically just ripping on the person that you've just quoted for no apparent reason then that fact that he is saying what true for most top level players and that you don't like his opinion. He didn't eve mentioned that he likes FW or that he even plays FW in there.


  User Deleted
4/26/11 8:18:22 PM#42

I like the pay to chat kills the gold spammers they dont over run the game like they do 90% of the f2p title


  LeviCG

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Joined: 1/12/06
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4/26/11 9:00:52 PM#43

There is false information in this feature list. You get a free respec, it's called a Talent Compass. Everyone gets atleast 1 for free. You don't have to use the auto route feature if you do not wish to do so. It's simply there for convenience. As you start getting higher leveled 20+, you even get quest that don't allow the auto-route feature. There's also several ways to obtain "world flutes" other than buying them from the CS. I question the author of this feature list about his actual level before writing this article? Also, there's several several several forms of instruction on how to's. There's not really any info overload. Concerning the "Shards" you can obtain them through normal questing and monster slaying. Please get a little bit more experience before "defining" a game.


  Ouriel

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Joined: 3/25/10
Posts: 72

4/26/11 9:26:46 PM#44

Even the pay to chat doesn't help when there are tons of idiots posting on the world chat(I don't like to use offensive words, but there are seriously many idiots there.)


The crystals in the cash shop are used for adding gems to your gear and are only obtainable via cash shop(I haven't seen a vendor that sells them.) Other thing to know for the game is that the Mastery and Resistance trainings are game breaking. There was a post on the FW's forum and the price was calculated how much money it will cost you to max out the Mastery and Resistance training. The price was 24800$ and that is a huge price. 16800$ for the mastery training and 8000$ for Resistance training. With 248000$ you can buy a car.(Need clarification on this, don't know if the price is correct.)


Other thing the writer didn't mention was their unoptimized engine. The game's engine seems like it's not reaching the CPU and thus the players with good PC's have low FPS from about 10 to 22 FPS on a top notch machine.


The game is also repetitive and it's very dependant on God's Trial dungeon. The God's Trial dungeon is a dungeon that gives you a experience. The dungeon is opened twice a day can be done once a day. If you haven't done the dungeon in the last three days, the dungeon stacks and you can enter it thrice in that day. The God's Trial will give you a full level, but that depend on what level you are.


 


The problems with the F2P games is that they are more expensive than the P2P games. In the P2P games you pay 15$ or 12.99€ and enjoy the whole game without to have a game breaking items, while on the F2P side you can spend more than 100$/€ a month and even more in a year.


Other thing I have noticed about the companies who publish most of the F2P Asian games often times they have a cash shop that ruins the gameplay and it's PvP and PvE. Lucky that Riot Games is an exception.


  Axeshun

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4/26/11 10:39:18 PM#45

Thnx artfulthing, but r u blind? he quoted me I quoted back....its in ur quote text reply......

And Gladiator WoW pvpers lmao.  Its called MACROS and gaming mice.  Thats actually what many use, but what do I know u r the guru of STRAFFE. lol

  Tuchaka

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Joined: 4/14/10
Posts: 460

4/26/11 11:23:34 PM#46

open chat with the unwashed masses is for morons anyway but charging for it .....wow bad idea

  TheCrow2k

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Joined: 10/19/09
Posts: 956

4/26/11 11:58:54 PM#47

[quote] So who knows, maybe this sort of item will disappear after enough testing.  But I wouldn’t hold my breath. [/quote]


Not if they make money out of it.......


  lthompson94

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Joined: 4/23/11
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4/27/11 12:26:36 AM#48

Originally posted by Axeshun



Thnx artfulthing, but r u blind? he quoted me I quoted back....its in ur quote text reply......


And Gladiator WoW pvpers lmao.  Its called MACROS and gaming mice.  Thats actually what many use, but what do I know u r the guru of STRAFFE. lol



Lol sorry man but turning with your keyboard is no way to stay competetive.  Yes, they are called macros... and mouse turning.  No decent player uses keyboard to turn... but good luck with that.

  User Deleted
4/27/11 12:53:05 AM#49

I've been playing this game as if it were my job since its release.  Right now I'm level 56 (cap is 60) and there are only a few on my server that have reached 60.


Here are my thoughts.  


First of all, the entire games economy is fueled  by cash shoppers.  The'res two currencies, one is tradeable.  The tradeable currecny is basically created from an item in the cash shop. 


Even though the tradeable currecny is based on real life money, NON ZEN buyers can get by very easily selling things on the auctionhouse.


You can actually get everything you need from the cashshop this way.


However, when you look at the details of the games setup, you will notice there is almsot an infinite number of limitations and aspects of the game created just to get more gold from you to spend. The tradeable gold is not only used for trading, but often used with npc's instead of the nontradable gold.


Guild basses, for example.  There is a time for bidding between guilds to get guild basses. The first round lasted 3 days and our guild ended up spending something around 18 diamonds just to buy the base. That is equal to around $200 dollars convereted.  Then there's an upkeep to pay.  You can do quests to generate upkeep, but if it drops too low your guildies are spending money again.


The fact that you can get by without spending money seems to apply more on PVE servers.  from what ive been told, pvp is very dependant on gear and masteries.  Masteries are boosts to damage and resistance, that are ENTIRELY upgraded through gold.  And the max them out you're going to either be playing the auctionhouse nonstop and well,  or spending tons of real life money.


PVE isnt very challenging and doesnt require maxed out gear.  Actually the game seems to revolve only around leveling up.  most quests are done solo with tons of running around and instances are only done for gear.

  trancejeremy

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4/27/11 12:58:55 AM#50

I tried to play this, but just couldn't get past the inability to turn, only strafe.


Just weird. And as I play games left handed, using the arrow keys instead of asd, so it was just unplayable. I don't understand how they could miss something so simple that most other MMORPGs, even many F2P ones from Asia can handle...


R.I.P. City of Heroes and my 17 characters there

  bonez369

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4/27/11 1:17:03 AM#51

k i play fw and yes we got a cash shop but u dont have to pay cash to get items from it u can use gold coins(ingame curruncy between players) to buy leaves(cash shop money) and bam u can start buying stuff from cash shop but i advise u keep enough gold coins to buy mercury statues from other players(item needed to do a quest to get gold coins) and heres another plus there are 2 currencies ingame 1 is soul coins which is used purely on npcs and gold coins which like i said above are used for player to player transactions and also can b use at npcs for special items and if u dont have enough soul coins but ive gone a lil off topic but with all that said cash shop isnt really that bad especially since leaves are reasonably priced


  angeltrebor

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Joined: 3/16/09
Posts: 11

4/27/11 1:40:28 AM#52

[quote]You Must Buy Your “Re-specs”[/quote]


I still see you havent playd the game enough to experience its in-deph futures .


 


There is an NPC in Blossom Blvrd "Tresure Seller" .


You will finde there Re-Spec (Talent COmpas) for 1 diamond , yea i know , its alot .


But there ar plenty of ways of gaining 1 "Re-Spec" , you can gain one from a Tresure Map .


But this game has a way to eazy way of gaining cash ... in-game currency (diamonds)


Like so , you have Botany job , farm herbs sell them and voila


You have fisher job , fish some Cod's (they sell well) and voila .


You have Artisan ... Scavanger and plenty of jobs to get you the cash needed to buy 1 re-spec .


Like take it my way ... when i need a re-spec i do this :


-Farm Golden Vine ( they sell for 2-4silvers each ) . You can farm around 150 in 1h


-Farm Copper ores / Red Quicksilvers ( 1 silver each ) . I usualy farm like 300 with 120 energy


- Doing "Adventure Quests" and hopeing for a re-spec (talent compas)


-Farming Cod with an alternative character...


 


Doign so i cna get 30-40g in around 2-3days .


And as a F2P experienced player i belive the ways of getting cahs ar preety eazy.


I play MMO's till the release of MU Online.


I still play and will keep palying Forsaken , as for the auto-route future , i love it , i do not like haveing to look for an NPC 30mins just to end up finishing a low exp quest .


To shorten my small "review" :


1. Ther ar other ways onf getting re-spec


2. Cash making is eazy to do cos you have plenty of "lazyness"


3. Auto-route is a nice future implemented in moust of PWE games


4. Higher levels (im a lvl 46 , 42 ) will allways have more ways of making cash..


5. My only disslike of the game is the way of handeling Cash Shop


     a) Cash Shops with "Buy Power" futures ar never liked by a casual player


     b) World Chat items in a Cash Shop is a stupid future


     c) Alltho the game has a in-game curency > cash shop curency future , the community makes it hard enough to grab some CS curency without paying IRL cash .


 


All i have ot say for now , thanks for reading .


AngelTrebor Xfire Miniprofile
  sibs4455

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4/27/11 1:51:07 AM#53
Originally posted by Danubus

All PWI games are tripe. Nuff said. I weep for the Torchlight MMO.

 I  too agree with you,  poor poor Torchlight mmo for it will never see my harddrive; P2W games are the pits.

  Ozzallos

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Posts: 34

4/27/11 2:17:17 AM#54

Three out of the five listed are F2P bedrock, frankly. It's almost worthless to point out crap like "pay to world chat" or even "buying your respecs". If you didn't expect these or other elements like them going in, you probably shouldn't be reviewing the game or genre to begin with. It's like calling out the game for "pay for XP pots".

Duh?

Information overload is a push and largely opinion based, but I will completely agree with Quest Auto-Nav. It's probably one of the worst things to hit MMOs in a while since it absolutely kills immersion in most cases. Nobody reads your quest text and they have no reason to explore. If you have lore to impart, it's wasted because your players are simply hunting for the highlighted auto pilot links.

Having said that, I hate to say Forsaken World needs it. Running back and forth across that damn capital for over 20 levels is complete and utter fail and after several dozen iterations, I don't care if the cake is a goddamn lie. SHOOT ME ALREADY.

Speaking of which, if you want to add to the fail five

  • Forcing your players to run back and forth for over twenty levels in the same central quest hub for the sake of accomplishing nothing useful falls down completely.
  • No talent points until twenty? WTF?
  • Priests rely on two offensive abilities for over 20 levels. It's an ugly place to be.
That should round out the list nicely. There's more, but those are the ones that immeditely come to mind.
  Yamota

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"I fight so you don't have to."

4/27/11 4:10:14 AM#55

I would add bikini armor. When will the gamer population evolve past this nonsense?

  zellmer

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4/27/11 4:27:49 AM#56

Do daily quests like life in freedom harbor and you'll soon have stacks of world flutes..


There's very little reason to need a world message anyways, and it's almost always guid recruitment, party recruitment, or garbage that's ignored by 99.9999999999998% of people..


PvP pay to win stuff isn't really that big a deal since it's not exclusive to the cash shop.  Hell, they're not even that expensive to buy in game considering the cash you have when 50++, much less if you do a lot of instances, and farm with whater job you have, much less alts for fishing and the like for even more cash.


You CAN get a re-spec with enough money from in game.


 


Ugh this whole list is so freaking...


I was hoping he'd list the real problems with the game, not just generic stuff like this, much less made up stuff...

  Zeus.CM

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4/27/11 6:56:03 AM#57

pay to chat is good only against money selling bots. All in all I laugh at this game :)


  nickthompson

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guitar goes up panties come down

4/27/11 7:42:03 AM#58

everything u have named is in all of Perfect World Beijing's games, Jade dynasty, forsaken world, PWI, all of them... this company keeps basically spitting out the same game with the same concepts of making money and the same people keep buying it to it.... its not the game its the company.


  Onarix

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4/27/11 8:21:57 AM#59

All perfect world games just make me cry. They are all based around the same world with a few differently moduled texture packs and a few new NPC's that are used over and over again. The only thing I did enjoy about this game was the Nightmare Carnival where you must work with a team to progress through challenges and gain exp.

Free to play means pay to win.

  Spiritof55

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4/27/11 12:16:03 PM#60

This game is f2p like allods is f2p.


P.T.  Barnum was right.


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