Originally posted by Crazy00Eyes

What are warfronts?  And what are the pvp instances like?  Are they objective based like BGs in WoW?

If you prefer pvp: http://www.justin.tv/rxram#/w/1064935792/2

Originally posted by Wrender

Now that my idiotic real life friends left the game to go back to that "other" game and had me roll on an idiotic dry PvE server so now I can role on an actual decent server (Harrow) PVP-RP, I will let you know how the PvP is soon enough! Whew , that was a mouthful.

People have been constantly comparing this game to WoW but for me I can't even see how you can even compare RIFT with WoW. Sure the interface looks like WoW but that's as far as it goes. Well up to now anyways..... They added a cross server Warfront finder but I really hope to god they don't add a cross server dungeon finder as well. If they keep going in the direction they are headed then YES it will be comparable to WoW. Thanks to all the bitching and moaning about it from players and Trion translating all this to perhaps that's really what the players want, a true WoW clone. No Thanks. But up to this point it really has been no comparison. The game does not play anything like WoW in my opinion. As far as PvP goes i think a lot of people are judging it based on Warfronts on PvE servers and not actual PvP servers.

Don't get me wrong, WoW was an awesome game back in the early days when people actually had an amazing world to explore instead of the lifless one they have now what with everyone simply standing around the auction houses, queued up for the next dungeon. That is not an MMO. That is merely a lobby game at best. Hell they could do away with the actual explorable world and half the 10 million or so subscribers wouldn't even know or care.

I think an actual PvP server should have some great potential here for some really good gameplay if Trion doesn't give in to all the whining from stupid WoWtards that wouldn't know a decent MMO if it fell out of the sky and landed on thier head!

So far RIFT has been the best new MMO experience I have had in a very long time! And should only get better what with so much potential. TRION really needs to be very careful how they allow thier game to develop now that it is past the first month!

What you said about WoW where everyone stands around the auction house waiting for the next instance is exactly the same as rift on a pvp server. I played to 50 prestige rank3 and yeah not a lot of open world pvp. There is no reason to open world pvp really, the warfronts give more prestige. If i solo kill someone i get 100 prestige, but if i do a warfront, i get 20 prestige per kill, and 600 for winning. Even if you dont win, the rate you will gain prestige is far higher than in the open world.

Most of the people who play Rift seem to enjoy chasing carrots, and carrot chasers wont open world pvp if they get better rewards for doing warfronts. They are in it for shinies, i like that term, and not much else.

@OP

1. Quests are mostly meh, but due to invasions and rifts popping often they don't get You bored all that much. And since those and BG gives xp You should be fine.

2. PvP is weak for someone who would treat it as main activity. Souls due to all combinations offers high degree of customization and thus fun, as long as You can read and are willing to experiment. BGs are called WarFronts and are okay but You'll get bored as there are only 4 of them. World PvP is a tad meh, but due to no flying mounts or dungeon finder it has potential. Have to see what Trion will do about world PvP in next bigger update.

My advice - don't buy now, but keep eye on Rift and check where world PvP will go. I think Trion idea is to mix some world public groups PvE/PvP(rifts, invasions) and instanced PvE/PvP(dungeons and raids and WF). So if You like only one element it won't deliver.

As much as I like this game, I'll be honest with you.  PvP sucks until endgame.  Once you get to level 50 and get in a decent guild, you'll start doing pre-made vs pre-made.  PUG pvp is stupid, of course it's been that way in every game.  As for questing, it's just like WoW and just about any other game with alot of quests.  I've heard also that endgame PvP will include raiding capital cities and such for Favor/Favor quests (Favor=PvP currency), but that has yet to be implemented.  I find it fun though on PvP servers how players aren't OP just because of thier level.  A couple of level 30-35s (if they're the right classes) can take down a level 50 pretty easy.  There is no penalty in PvP for being lower level other than stats/gear.  None of that stupid "I can't even hit you because you're 20 levels higher than me" you find in WoW.

First of all, this game's grind is so short that you will not be bothered by quest content. In general, faux-reviewers keep bringing up how boring the grind is despite it lasting a week. The fact is, even if it is boring, you're not mired in it forever to hit 50. Seriously, two weeks at most.

Unbalanced, unorganized but competetive PvP seems to best describe Rift's PvP state. You do play roulette with your 3 server pools when queuing up for stuff, and team composition generally wins or loses you a match. That being said, the pool is generally pretty full and tears flow like a fountain if that's your thing. Those pools, however, never seem to be divided, so in a way, you're probably not going to be playing in 'fair' scenarios. There doesn't appear to be any sorting based off tiers.

The thing is that while the meta is bonkers, you do have a lot of flexibility overall to follow the meta if necessary. Short leveling grind and swappable roles helps mitigate the overall problems with balance at the moment. If you're truly competetive, you'll play whatever the meta demands, and rift does very little to stop you from playing all 4 classes and maintaining them fairly easily.

Still, I don't think PvP in Rift is structured enough to be satisfying for OP. It's geared towards embracing the community as a whole, and the community generally bitches.

Originally posted by Crazy00Eyes

1) Lackluster questing: Will I become so bored I quit before I even get to the fun stuff?

2) PvP: Unbalanced/uncompetitive? PvP is my main interest, and is what kept me playing WoW so long, having a large pool of competitive players and competing with other top tier players in the arenas. I've heard that with so many class customization options balance is out of control from a PvP perspective and I haven't heard anything about an arena system in the game.

1) Yes, the quest's are boring and repetitive as hell, but you level quick so it's not too big of an issue.

2) Don't do it! PVP is royally unbalanced. There's cleric's walking around like gods, and pyro's one shotting everyone else, it's terrible. There are no ranked matches either, so the warfront's (instanced PVP matches) are just a PVP gear grind.

Save your money, especially if you enjoy PVP.

no mmo has pvp perfectly balanced but what rift did in last patch was buff a already powerful soul called pyro in mage tree,nerf rogues and warriors and make clerics very very hard to kill.

would not be such a big deal if the natural predator as ADVERTIZED on their website the voidknight is completely nerfed.

My advice is u look for some trial Keys for the week-end at Rift´s facebook page & try for yourself.

I´m enjoying the game ^^

mmorpgs are not known for balanced pvp, but in case you don't care then:

waiting queues between matches are somewhere around 1-10min

you get decent gear and xp

once you are 50 you can do PvP all day. while you are lvling up there are some lvl ranges where you have to wait longer for invites

I'd wait until the summer or just after if you want 'better' PVP outside of the Warfronts, guild quests and daily world pvp quests atm - the basic struchure is there and theres RVR built into the game but as of yet not active due to other fouces the devs have to deal with first (check out a few interviews) and theres no dought 'PVP Rifts' aren't on the drawing board already..

Trion are completely on the ball with patch and content updates so theres no worry that the game will 'stall' like many other MMOs out there, plus hopping over on a PVP server and messing up the other faction's Rifts and bases with friends is not only an option but RECOMMENDED as PVP by the devs, theres a lot more reason to 'World PVP' then in other games.

As for questing: TBH I'd reccomend not only you don't quest 100% Rift farm and WF instead but have more then one soul build type going at once just to mix the gameplay up a little - sticking just to questing and one build gets old quickly, plus misses the point of the game (and strongest reason to play this) completely

If you're mostly into PvP, don't bother. Apart from 3 BGs (4 at lvl 50) there's no PvP content at all. No world PvP objectives, no arena, nothing...

Rift PvP is also just one big CC fest, it's not uncommon to go from 100% hp to dead while being CCed the entire time.

Originally posted by Scambug

If you're mostly into PvP, don't bother. Apart from 3 BGs (4 at lvl 50) there's no PvP content at all. No world PvP objectives, no arena, nothing... 

Rift PvP is also just one big CC fest, it's not uncommon to go from 100% hp to dead while being CCed the entire time.

 

The white part holds some merit, although the massive whining over 1.1 PvP changes would indicate otherwise.

The orange part is inaccurate and not indicative to the current state of the game.

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by Scambug

If you're mostly into PvP, don't bother. Apart from 3 BGs (4 at lvl 50) there's no PvP content at all. No world PvP objectives, no arena, nothing... 

Rift PvP is also just one big CC fest, it's not uncommon to go from 100% hp to dead while being CCed the entire time.

 

The white part holds some merit, although the massive whining over 1.1 PvP changes would indicate otherwise.

The orange part is inaccurate and not indicative to the current state of the game.

I guess you've never played a healing cleric in PvP... Either that or something has radically changed since last I played, a couple weeks ago.

Originally posted by Crazy00Eyes

I've been watching some videos, reading reviews, etc and it looks like fun. However, I'm being rather cautious because 1) I'm a poor college student 2) I've tried a couple other MMOs that have come out in the past few years, which have bored me after 1-2 months (like Warhammer Online), despite receiving solid reviews. The only MMO I've ever stuck with is World of Warcraft, which I have finally quit after 6 years. From what I've seen, I have two concerns so far which are:

1) Lackluster questing: Will I become so bored I quit before I even get to the fun stuff?

2) PvP: Unbalanced/uncompetitive? PvP is my main interest, and is what kept me playing WoW so long, having a large pool of competitive players and competing with other top tier players in the arenas. I've heard that with so many class customization options balance is out of control from a PvP perspective and I haven't heard anything about an arena system in the game.

Thanks for your input.

 after playing at closed and open beta this game is wow without fun for me. 20 of my friends stated rift, 17 quit, 2 still have active accouts but they are not playing and only 1 still playing but whinning about low population after free month

I'm constantly playing as a healing cleric, I'm about 200.000 prestige from prestige 6 by pure healing so far (which yelds the lowest amount of favor/prestige in the game).

Diminishing returns were introduced with patch 1.1. Perma squirreling is gone and so are the long perma stuns/silences, AoE or otherwise. They still happen, after all in order to start seeing diminishing effects you'll need to get hit once for full effect. But with some careful gameplay (no bunching up) less people get affetcted and since two out of three spikers are out of the game, it's easier to keep the stunned people alive than before. Check your PvP soul for help on that too.

Originally posted by Darkheart00

Originally posted by jdnewell

This is just my opinion.

Save your money if your lookig for a good PvP game. I have unsubbed to Rift due to the PvP being subpar to say the least.

Here is why.

Warfront AFKers, yep the same crap that was in WoW is back and as problomatic as ever. 4-5 people out of 10-15 are afk botting. Which means auto lose for you if they on your team.

Only 4 WF. grinding them over and over again gets old, fast.

Little or NO open world PvP, and no reason to at this point. Guardians outnumber defiant 2 to 1 or more ( at least on my server) so that means even for world events guardians own just due to sheer numbers.

Population imbalances- at least on my cluster defiant almost always lose but have instant Q pops, Guardian almost always win but have 30-40 minute wait times for a single WF to pop.

lackluster PvP gear. Even at prestige rank 6 your shiney purple PvP gear will be outshined by the casual PvE guy, no pvp ranking system of any sort. Basically you will be just grinding WF for sub par gear, constantly losing as defiant or at a snails pace as guardian due to long Q times.

Class imbalances- Nuff said ( but it is an MMO and pvp is rarely balanced)

Thats just what I can think of off the top of my head. IMO Rift is a great PvE game and if played as such will be enjoyed. PvPers look elsewhere. this is another PvE game with a dash of PvP which will likely be ignored mostly. Every 4th or 5th update expect a small bone for the PvP crowd just so they can say they did so.

Once again this is my opinion, and worth exactly what you paid for it =)

Why don't you name a MMO that has perfectly balanced pvp, realm balance, good pvp gear (your own argument contradicts itself if pvp gear was ubber which ever side that has better gear would win so much for balance) etc. Even DAoC had plenty of those issues. If you want  a *perfect* pvp game you should not be playing MMOs.

No where did I say anything about wanting a perfect PvP game, I even said PvP in MMOs is hard to balance and rarely is.

The OP was asking about PvP, so I gave him my opinion. I do like rift and am currently subbed and will more than likely stay subbed for at least a few more months.

But no one can honestly say Rift PvP is good, not even close to it. If you wanna be a fanboy then thats fine, but at least be honest about the state of the game. Rift is a very good PvE game with a side dish of PvP thrown in to appease the masses. Anyone looking for a game just for PvP should steer clear.

And once again in case you missed it the 1st 3 times, this is my opinion only. Dont get your fanboy thong in a bunch because someone has an opinion that differs.