Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Questions regarding the assumed pay-to-win factors of the revenue model were asked by players (in a thread you started), many by me, personally, and they were all addressed by the devs.  I'm reasonably satisfied that the model isn't pay-to-win. If you'd read your own thread, you'd see the same questions and responses I did.

~Ripper

Originally posted by Arezon

Originally posted by B1mble

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

You could always download the game and take a look for yourself :D

Honestly, if the DEVs can't be bothered to post some pics of the new models then I can't be bothered to download the game and try it.

...and yet, here you are.

Fact is, the models were discussed in the blog link that I posted. Maybe you missed it. They're like, pictures, of characters. Brightly colored and everything. Mentioned them again, in another blog post from the same link.

They are mentioned in the newsletter, but no images are embedded in it.

Since the newsletter goes out to subscribers, I think that the very mention of something that was frequently requested and more than a year in the making, means that anyone who cared, would simply load the game and update it.

Anyway, the pictures don't do them justice. They have to be seen in-game in order to full appreciate how much of a difference they make, compared to the previous versions that were in the game.

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

That notion is false. But if you had actually played the game, you'd know that.

Seriously...I searched the dev blog and found no links with screenshots.There were links to certain pages of Alganon Forum.Is it too hard to just post a direct link to some screenies?

p.s. I also got the monthly update e-mail and there was NO screenshot of the new models nor any links.

Originally posted by pupurun

Seriously...I searched the dev blog and found no links with screenshots.There were links to certain pages of Alganon Forum.Is it too hard to just post a direct link to some screenies?

p.s. I also got the monthly update e-mail and there was NO screenshot of the new models nor any links.

uhm, wait, wot!?!? If you go to the first link in my previous post, half-way down, in the middle of the page are the shots.

Weird that you're not seeing them.

Ok, I see the human models and how they improved, but what about the other playable race's models?  What about mob NPC models?  I don't see any pics of them in the blog.

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by Arezon

Originally posted by B1mble

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

You could always download the game and take a look for yourself :D

Honestly, if the DEVs can't be bothered to post some pics of the new models then I can't be bothered to download the game and try it.

...and yet, here you are.

Fact is, the models were discussed in the blog link that I posted. Maybe you missed it. They're like, pictures, of characters. Brightly colored and everything. Mentioned them again, in another blog post from the same link.

They are mentioned in the newsletter, but no images are embedded in it.

Since the newsletter goes out to subscribers, I think that the very mention of something that was frequently requested and more than a year in the making, means that anyone who cared, would simply load the game and update it.

Anyway, the pictures don't do them justice. They have to be seen in-game in order to full appreciate how much of a difference they make, compared to the previous versions that were in the game.

 

I see them now. When I looked the first time from your last post they didn't seem to be there. Don't know if someone forgot to put them up or if there was a tech glitch; but thanks for responding with the pics.

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by Arezon

Originally posted by B1mble

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

You could always download the game and take a look for yourself :D

Honestly, if the DEVs can't be bothered to post some pics of the new models then I can't be bothered to download the game and try it.

...and yet, here you are.

Fact is, the models were discussed in the blog link that I posted. Maybe you missed it. They're like, pictures, of characters. Brightly colored and everything. Mentioned them again, in another blog post from the same link.

They are mentioned in the newsletter, but no images are embedded in it.

Since the newsletter goes out to subscribers, I think that the very mention of something that was frequently requested and more than a year in the making, means that anyone who cared, would simply load the game and update it.

Anyway, the pictures don't do them justice. They have to be seen in-game in order to full appreciate how much of a difference they make, compared to the previous versions that were in the game.

 

I see them now. When I looked the first time from your last post they didn't seem to be there. Don't know if someone forgot to put them up or if there was a tech glitch; but thanks for responding with the pics.

They were there the whole time because I linked to them when I created that blog. I think what happened is that you went to the main blog page and didn't click on the blog entry that actually contained them. The link I subsequently posted had the direct link (which I didn't use in my first post about it).

ALL the character models were re-done. That includes NPCs as well.

Originally posted by dsmart

They were there the whole time because I linked to them when I created that blog. I think what happened is that you went to the main blog page and didn't click on the blog entry that actually contained them. The link I subsequently posted had the direct link (which I didn't use in my first post about it).

ALL the character models were re-done. That includes NPCs as well.

 

 Hmm..no comparison pictures for the races at least (besides humans)?

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by pupurun

Seriously...I searched the dev blog and found no links with screenshots.There were links to certain pages of Alganon Forum.Is it too hard to just post a direct link to some screenies?

p.s. I also got the monthly update e-mail and there was NO screenshot of the new models nor any links.

uhm, wait, wot!?!? If you go to the first link in my previous post, half-way down, in the middle of the page are the shots.

Weird that you're not seeing them.

I don't see them either.

I click on that link you mentioned, leading to that blog. I see there the Quest Online blog, with some entries such as "the long road" and "when doubts". So far, no screenshots. I click on "the long road", because as a user, I'm of course interested in the newest news.

There, I see the header, the "Long road ahead" title, some writing, the "character models" title, more text with something linked  (though none of the link sounds as if it does have anything to do with screenshots), more text, an update text, something about server merges, and as a typical user, I stopped searching then, because I wanted screens and didn't find them. And nope, I'm not using a text browser.

Maybe I miss them, I don't nkow. But as said, beeing a typical user, I normally don't spend more than a few seconds, searching somehing I'm slightly less interested in, before giving up.

Actually, I don't think we need comparison pictures.  Instead, we need a new gameplay video detailing most (if not all) of the changes, mostly in the character creation screen.

Originally posted by maji

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by pupurun

Seriously...I searched the dev blog and found no links with screenshots.There were links to certain pages of Alganon Forum.Is it too hard to just post a direct link to some screenies?

p.s. I also got the monthly update e-mail and there was NO screenshot of the new models nor any links.

uhm, wait, wot!?!? If you go to the first link in my previous post, half-way down, in the middle of the page are the shots.

Weird that you're not seeing them.

I don't see them either.

I click on that link you mentioned, leading to that blog. I see there the Quest Online blog, with some entries such as "the long road" and "when doubts". So far, no screenshots. I click on "the long road", because as a user, I'm of course interested in the newest news.

There, I see the header, the "Long road ahead" title, some writing, the "character models" title, more text with something linked  (though none of the link sounds as if it does have anything to do with screenshots), more text, an update text, something about server merges, and as a typical user, I stopped searching then, because I wanted screens and didn't find them. And nope, I'm not using a text browser.

Maybe I miss them, I don't nkow. But as said, beeing a typical user, I normally don't spend more than a few seconds, searching somehing I'm slightly less interested in, before giving up.

OK, I think this is getting ridiculous now, don't you think? Let's try this shall we?

1. Go to www.qol.com/blog (the link I originally posted). Here you will see three blog entries.

2. The second blog entry is "When in doubt, do it anyway". Click on it. Half way down the screen are smaller versions of the before/after images and each goes to a larger image when clicked.

Please tell me how anyone could have missed that because it is puzzling to me.

In my first post, I only linked to the main blog. So unless you clicked on each of the three blog entries, you won't know which one contained the images.

In my follow-up post, I linked directly to the specific blog in question. And clicking on that link, shows the images. Unless you're viewing the page on a mobile screen. In which case, you had a lot of scrolling to do before you can even get to see them. On a standard monitor, a single scroll of the page, shows them.

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by maji

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by pupurun

Seriously...I searched the dev blog and found no links with screenshots.There were links to certain pages of Alganon Forum.Is it too hard to just post a direct link to some screenies?

p.s. I also got the monthly update e-mail and there was NO screenshot of the new models nor any links.

uhm, wait, wot!?!? If you go to the first link in my previous post, half-way down, in the middle of the page are the shots.

Weird that you're not seeing them.

I don't see them either.

I click on that link you mentioned, leading to that blog. I see there the Quest Online blog, with some entries such as "the long road" and "when doubts". So far, no screenshots. I click on "the long road", because as a user, I'm of course interested in the newest news.

There, I see the header, the "Long road ahead" title, some writing, the "character models" title, more text with something linked  (though none of the link sounds as if it does have anything to do with screenshots), more text, an update text, something about server merges, and as a typical user, I stopped searching then, because I wanted screens and didn't find them. And nope, I'm not using a text browser.

Maybe I miss them, I don't nkow. But as said, beeing a typical user, I normally don't spend more than a few seconds, searching somehing I'm slightly less interested in, before giving up.

 

OK, I think this is getting ridiculous now, don't you think? Let's try this shall we?

1. Go to www.qol.com/blog (the link I originally posted). Here you will see three blog entries.

2. The second blog entry is "When in doubt, do it anyway". Click on it. Half way down the screen are smaller versions of the before/after images and each goes to a larger image when clicked.

Please tell me how anyone could have missed that because it is puzzling to me.

In my first post, I only linked to the main blog. So unless you clicked on each of the three blog entries, you won't know which one contained the images.

In my follow-up post, I linked directly to the specific blog in question. And clicking on that link, shows the images. Unless you're viewing the page on a mobile screen. In which case, you had a lot of scrolling to do before you can even get to see them. On a standard monitor, a single scroll of the page, shows them.

Yes we already know about that, but that only shows the human male character model, and only with one face/hair option.  What the changes to the other face/hair options on human males?  What the changes to the human female, or the male and female Talrok?  I can't seem to find any beforer/after pics regarding them.

Right. For that, you'd have to download and play the game. Those who are already playing the game, don't need to ask.

Fact is, with so many combinations, you can't show one set and not the other. Which is why I picked one and used that in my blog. It wasn't supposed to be a showcase because for that, we would need an entire gallery of shots showing every possible combination. What's the sense in that when you can just update the game and see for yourself?

I havent seen a lot of positive responses here, so say what you want about them, but updating all models shows dedication. It seems to me they are trying to improve the game, something that is always a good thing.Good luck for the future!

Originally posted by dsmart

OK, I think this is getting ridiculous now, don't you think? Let's try this shall we?

1. Go to www.qol.com/blog (the link I originally posted). Here you will see three blog entries.

2. The second blog entry is "When in doubt, do it anyway". Click on it. Half way down the screen are smaller versions of the before/after images and each goes to a larger image when clicked.

Please tell me how anyone could have missed that because it is puzzling to me.

Oh THERE they are. How people could have missed that? I can tell you that. First, people click normally on the newest links first (because nothing is as old as news from yesterday). Especially since written below the "long road" entry as part of the description "CHARACTER MODELS" (in caps). Yes, I know it says "CHARACTER MODELS in prevous blog entry", but people looking for screens will click on that entry anyway, since the "CHARACTER MODELS" stands out so much. So they click on the "long road entry", and as confirmation they see again, written as a huge headline "CHARACTER MODELS", so they assume they are at the right part of the website.

And then they search and search and scroll through the entry, and find nothing about screenshots. They scroll up and down, and frown, and think "but... hmm... duh...", and some of them will close the browser tab right then. Others will go back to the main section of the blog, and look around. Since the "when in doubts" headline and description say nothing about character models, many people will give up here as well, and close the tab. The very persistent users will click on "when in doubts" headline anyway. There, they see a lot of text, and on the first page they see nothing in that text about character models either, nor any screen shots or links to them. So many will close the tab there. Some will scroll down to page two. Those with hugeass resolutions and very slim browsers (ie no addons or something) will now see the top of the screenshots, most won't. In the long text, there is now, half way down on the second page, the character models mentioned. Since it's no headline, most people will miss that, as well as the majority of the people who won't see the top of the screenshots. So they will close the tab too. Those who DO read the whole text (which will be a tiny number) or those with the aforementioned screens and display settings will find a shot.

So, in short: for the current generation of users who don't have much time and a short attention span, the screenshots are hidden too well, they won't find them. Heck, I'm a programmer and also do web design at times, and didn't find them quickly enough (for my taste). Not to mention quickly enough regarding the importance of new models. And no matter if for you they are well placed, for most users they ain't, and when they go to a website looking for something, and they don't find it, then that will just leave a sour aftertaste.

I hope that answered your question. :)

Originally posted by maji

Originally posted by dsmart

OK, I think this is getting ridiculous now, don't you think? Let's try this shall we?

1. Go to www.qol.com/blog (the link I originally posted). Here you will see three blog entries.

2. The second blog entry is "When in doubt, do it anyway". Click on it. Half way down the screen are smaller versions of the before/after images and each goes to a larger image when clicked.

Please tell me how anyone could have missed that because it is puzzling to me.

Oh THERE they are. How people could have missed that? I can tell you that. First, people click normally on the newest links first (because nothing is as old as news from yesterday). Especially since written below the "long road" entry as part of the description "CHARACTER MODELS" (in caps). Yes, I know it says "CHARACTER MODELS in prevous blog entry", but people looking for screens will click on that entry anyway, since the "CHARACTER MODELS" stands out so much. So they click on the "long road entry", and as confirmation they see again, written as a huge headline "CHARACTER MODELS", so they assume they are at the right part of the website.

And then they search and search and scroll through the entry, and find nothing about screenshots. They scroll up and down, and frown, and think "but... hmm... duh...", and some of them will close the browser tab right then. Others will go back to the main section of the blog, and look around. Since the "when in doubts" headline and description say nothing about character models, many people will give up here as well, and close the tab. The very persistent users will click on "when in doubts" headline anyway. There, they see a lot of text, and on the first page they see nothing in that text about character models either, nor any screen shots or links to them. So many will close the tab there. Some will scroll down to page two. Those with hugeass resolutions and very slim browsers (ie no addons or something) will now see the top of the screenshots, most won't. In the long text, there is now, half way down on the second page, the character models mentioned. Since it's no headline, most people will miss that, as well as the majority of the people who won't see the top of the screenshots. So they will close the tab too. Those who DO read the whole text (which will be a tiny number) or those with the aforementioned screens and display settings will find a shot.

So, in short: for the current generation of users who don't have much time and a short attention span, the screenshots are hidden too well, they won't find them. Heck, I'm a programmer and also do web design at times, and didn't find them quickly enough (for my taste). Not to mention quickly enough regarding the importance of new models. And no matter if for you they are well placed, for most users they ain't, and when they go to a website looking for something, and they don't find it, then that will just leave a sour aftertaste.

 

I hope that answered your question. :)

Yes it did. But I already figured that out, hence the reason that I posted the direct URL in my second post. Yet, there were one or two people still saying they weren't seeing the shots. Which tells me that they didn't bother to click the link in my follow up post. Gamers sure have a short attention span, don't they? And in this day and age, everyone wants someone to hold their hand. :)

Followed the link.  Read the most recent blog post dated the same day you made this thread with the assumption that screen shots would be there.  Lost interest when started getting into the powerstruggle issue, again. 

Good luck with your new models. 

-They don't want hand-holding, Mr. Smart. They want someone that knows how to manage an MMO community talking to them. Like Sanya Weathers. Or Berek Halfhand. The problems with your blog pointed out above are but one of a bunch of hints you should have noticed by now on this issue.

In short, put Padreic back on the phone. You're not doing it right.

Jergis

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

Originally posted by Arezon

Originally posted by B1mble

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

You could always download the game and take a look for yourself :D

Honestly, if the DEVs can't be bothered to post some pics of the new models then I can't be bothered to download the game and try it.

...and yet, here you are.

Fact is, the models were discussed in the blog link that I posted. Maybe you missed it. They're like, pictures, of characters. Brightly colored and everything. Mentioned them again, in another blog post from the same link.

They are mentioned in the newsletter, but no images are embedded in it.

Since the newsletter goes out to subscribers, I think that the very mention of something that was frequently requested and more than a year in the making, means that anyone who cared, would simply load the game and update it.

Anyway, the pictures don't do them justice. They have to be seen in-game in order to full appreciate how much of a difference they make, compared to the previous versions that were in the game.

 

I see them now. When I looked the first time from your last post they didn't seem to be there. Don't know if someone forgot to put them up or if there was a tech glitch; but thanks for responding with the pics.

They were there the whole time because I linked to them when I created that blog. I think what happened is that you went to the main blog page and didn't click on the blog entry that actually contained them. The link I subsequently posted had the direct link (which I didn't use in my first post about it).

ALL the character models were re-done. That includes NPCs as well.

 

Nope. I found the "When in doubt, just do it anyway" post, read it and didn't see pictures that are there now.