As I promised last year, a new patch which upgrades ALL the character models was released last night. Check it out!

seems like a big deal. No screenshots?

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

You could always download the game and take a look for yourself :D

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

You are not the only one.  Maybe someone playing the game will post some pics...... if there are indeed players.

Originally posted by B1mble

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by dsmart

There are in thew newsletter as well as the QOL dev blog

I looked at that link and the newsletter http://www.alganon.com/newsletters/newsletter_0311.html#1 and don't see any screenies. Am I missing something? I'm really curious what the toons look like now.

You could always download the game and take a look for yourself :D

Honestly, if the DEVs can't be bothered to post some pics of the new models then I can't be bothered to download the game and try it.

What kind of developer announces that they have updated their game with something as huge as new charater models, and then doesn't even provide a thumbnail of one of them? I might have been interested, but now I am even less interested than I was before... if that's even possible.

i was wonderinf the exact same thing..I mean why haven't the devs uploaded some screenies and Mr Smart could post the link here. I am sure he would like to listen to our opinions since many of us(including myself) have tried Alganon before....

UPDATED: I ggogled this matter myself and only found this screenshot http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2011/01/alganon-b4-and-after-models-1295459888.jpg

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Subscriptions are real money as well

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

I have played the game and still log in from time to time and I have not come across anything from the cash shop that would give a player an overwhelming edge. 

Coukd you list the items that would give a massive advantage?

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Subscriptions are real money as well

With subscriptions, both people are paying the same amount to play. Neither has the option or requirement to pay more money to get ahead of those that don't.

Same sub fee, same game, same features, same experience.

Not the same thing as what Shadan was getting at.

Try again.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Subscriptions are real money as well

With subscriptions, both people are paying the same amount to play. Neither has the option or requirement to pay more money to get ahead of those that don't.

Same sub fee, same game, same features, same experience.

Not the same thing as what Shadan was getting at.

Try again.

Subscription plans DO NOT equalise all win/lose factors

Perhaps we should also equalise the following:

Keyboards

Mouses

Mouse pads

Internet Connections

And some other factors , more humane as:

Age

Mobility 

Fatigue

Amount of Free time

Where am i getting at? To the fact that no game can secure equality amongst its player base! Agreed?

So what if a game tries to gain some money by providing an upper hand to those that lack in some of the above factors?

Or do you expect to master a FTP game without paying a dime? It's like asking for free food at McDonalds

And if you think that subbed games are fair , let me remind you some mistakes that make themselves unfair to all gamebases:

GRIND TO WIN GAMEPLAY

EXPLOITS TO RAISE STATS

LOUSY SERVER PERFORMANCES THAT AFFECT PVP RESULT

CLASS IMBALANCES

and to be honest, i personally have never payed a dime on a FTP game.But i don't go around making subscribed games look like the Tooth Fairy and make all FTP(mini shop games) look like the devil. They all try to make money.

And if i want to believe that i can beat you in game by using my wallet ,well, let me think that way .You can try with your extra free time or younger eyes and hands.Nobody is perfect.

p.s.And by YOU ,i don't personally mean you WSIMike.I meant it like a figure of speech.

"Look guys, we have new character models! But we're not gonna post any screenshots, videos, or anything to show them off."

Makes perfect sense to me.

I remember how disappointing this game was. People talked about it, I tried it during beta. and lol'd.

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Subscriptions are real money as well

With subscriptions, both people are paying the same amount to play. Neither has the option or requirement to pay more money to get ahead of those that don't.

Same sub fee, same game, same features, same experience.

Not the same thing as what Shadan was getting at.

Try again.

Subscription plans DO NOT equalise all win/lose factors

Perhaps we should also equalise the following:

Keyboards

Mouses

Mouse pads

Internet Connections

And some other factors , more humane as:

Age

Mobility 

Fatigue

Amount of Free time

 

Where am i getting at? To the fact that no game can secure equality amongst its player base! Agreed?

So what if a game tries to gain some money by providing an upper hand to those that lack in some of the above factors?

Or do you expect to master a FTP game without paying a dime? It's like asking for free food at McDonalds

And if you think that subbed games are fair , let me remind you some mistakes that make themselves unfair to all gamebases:

GRIND TO WIN GAMEPLAY

EXPLOITS TO RAISE STATS

LOUSY SERVER PERFORMANCES THAT AFFECT PVP RESULT

CLASS IMBALANCES

and to be honest, i personally have never payed a dime on a FTP game.But i don't go around making subscribed games look like the Tooth Fairy and make all FTP(mini shop games) look like the devil. They all try to make money.

And if i want to believe that i can beat you in game by using my wallet ,well, let me think that way .You can try with your extra free time or younger eyes and hands.Nobody is perfect.

p.s.And by YOU ,i don't personally mean you WSIMike.I meant it like a figure of speech.

Classic, textbook example of strawman argument.

The comparison is between F2P where you pay the devs more money to get ahead or flat subscription fee that cannot be increased/decreased to get IG advantages.

The fact that there are other factors that gives one player the edge is completely irrelevant. In your example only identical twins, having the exact same hardware/software would be equal. A nonsensical argument as then no sport, game or competition would ever be considered fair.

It would be like saying: Hey lets allow doping in sports because there are so many factors in play making the competetition un equal anyway. 

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Subscriptions are real money as well

With subscriptions, both people are paying the same amount to play. Neither has the option or requirement to pay more money to get ahead of those that don't.

Same sub fee, same game, same features, same experience.

Not the same thing as what Shadan was getting at.

Try again.

Subscription plans DO NOT equalise all win/lose factors

Perhaps we should also equalise the following:

Keyboards

Mouses

Mouse pads

Internet Connections

And some other factors , more humane as:

Age

Mobility 

Fatigue

Amount of Free time

 

Where am i getting at? To the fact that no game can secure equality amongst its player base! Agreed?

So what if a game tries to gain some money by providing an upper hand to those that lack in some of the above factors?

Or do you expect to master a FTP game without paying a dime? It's like asking for free food at McDonalds

And if you think that subbed games are fair , let me remind you some mistakes that make themselves unfair to all gamebases:

GRIND TO WIN GAMEPLAY

EXPLOITS TO RAISE STATS

LOUSY SERVER PERFORMANCES THAT AFFECT PVP RESULT

CLASS IMBALANCES

and to be honest, i personally have never payed a dime on a FTP game.But i don't go around making subscribed games look like the Tooth Fairy and make all FTP(mini shop games) look like the devil. They all try to make money.

And if i want to believe that i can beat you in game by using my wallet ,well, let me think that way .You can try with your extra free time or younger eyes and hands.Nobody is perfect.

p.s.And by YOU ,i don't personally mean you WSIMike.I meant it like a figure of speech.

Classic, textbook example of strawman argument.

The comparison is between F2P where you pay the devs more money to get ahead or flat subscription fee that cannot be increased/decreased to get IG advantages.

The fact that there are other factors that gives one player the edge is completely irrelevant. In your example only identical twins, having the exact same hardware/software would be equal. A nonsensical argument.

Even identical twins have the chance of having different capabilities. Had one been intrigued by games and played all along, whereas one had no interest and had never played, the prior would still have the advantage.

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by pupurun

Originally posted by Shadanwolf

Faction vs faction conflict,where you have to pay real money to be competative. No thanks.

Subscriptions are real money as well

With subscriptions, both people are paying the same amount to play. Neither has the option or requirement to pay more money to get ahead of those that don't.

Same sub fee, same game, same features, same experience.

Not the same thing as what Shadan was getting at.

Try again.

Subscription plans DO NOT equalise all win/lose factors

Perhaps we should also equalise the following:

Keyboards

Mouses

Mouse pads

Internet Connections

And some other factors , more humane as:

Age

Mobility 

Fatigue

Amount of Free time

 

Where am i getting at? To the fact that no game can secure equality amongst its player base! Agreed?

So what if a game tries to gain some money by providing an upper hand to those that lack in some of the above factors?

Or do you expect to master a FTP game without paying a dime? It's like asking for free food at McDonalds

And if you think that subbed games are fair , let me remind you some mistakes that make themselves unfair to all gamebases:

GRIND TO WIN GAMEPLAY

EXPLOITS TO RAISE STATS

LOUSY SERVER PERFORMANCES THAT AFFECT PVP RESULT

CLASS IMBALANCES

and to be honest, i personally have never payed a dime on a FTP game.But i don't go around making subscribed games look like the Tooth Fairy and make all FTP(mini shop games) look like the devil. They all try to make money.

And if i want to believe that i can beat you in game by using my wallet ,well, let me think that way .You can try with your extra free time or younger eyes and hands.Nobody is perfect.

p.s.And by YOU ,i don't personally mean you WSIMike.I meant it like a figure of speech.

Classic, textbook example of strawman argument.

The comparison is between F2P where you pay the devs more money to get ahead or flat subscription fee that cannot be increased/decreased to get IG advantages.

The fact that there are other factors that gives one player the edge is completely irrelevant. In your example only identical twins, having the exact same hardware/software would be equal. A nonsensical argument.

Even identical twins have the chance of having different capabilities. Had one been intrigued by games and played all along, whereas one had no interest and had never played, the prior would still have the advantage.

Which makes this strawnman argument even more pointless.

"It would be like saying: Hey lets allow doping in sports because there are so many factors in play making the competetition un equal anyway. "

You have no idea how many multinational giant companies would love that idea and are already pushing it forward...

Seriously what have you got to say about this:

"And if i want to believe that i can beat you in game by using my wallet ,well, let me think that way .You can try with your extra free time or younger eyes and hands.Nobody is perfect."

Do you disagree?You mean it's ok to beat a mini shop fan with your extra time but it's not fair the other way around?

I may want to spend 200$ on a game that you are willing to spend 200 hours more than i will.It's unfair both ways imo.So any game that is time consuming should NOT be played by people with limited free time?

My whole point was that NOTHING can be exactly fair in modern mmos.So its just a matter of choice.Not of wrong doing.

I do personally prefer subscription over FPS but i reall cannot agree with  all the hate some people create about the so called "FREE" to played games.