I can't grasp why anyone would be offended by a name. It's just so.. asinine.

Originally posted by dinams

Adolf hitler is just a name like any other

If the player want to be a poser of the worst man in manking then it just proves that he:

a-dont know anything about history and think that hitler iis a badass name because people  avoid it

b-is a neo-nazi and have problems

 B is a vilolation of the EULA, which is why it is treated as so in almost every game.

Originally posted by Treekodar

I can't grasp why anyone would be offended by a name. It's just so.. asinine.

Not offended by the name. Just offended by the insane amount of ignorance by the person naming his char that way.
 It makes you just go

Originally posted by Treekodar

I can't grasp why anyone would be offended by a name. It's just so.. asinine.

Probably the same reason people get irritated every day because of someones opinion ... its just words right?

Originally posted by Treekodar

I can't grasp why anyone would be offended by a name. It's just so.. asinine.

That's irrelevant to the topic. I can't grasp why some peopel feel it's ok for one group to say a certain word but if others use the same word in the same context, it's racist. That doesn't change whether or not an MMO should allow it in player names.

Originally posted by Bama1267

Originally posted by Treekodar

I can't grasp why anyone would be offended by a name. It's just so.. asinine.

Probably the same reason people get irritated every day because of someones opinion ... its just words right?

The difference is that with an opinion it is quite clear what the sender means. Reading something into a name, however, is entirely subjective. You have absolutely no way to know what the person was looking for by naming his/her character Adolf Hitler, you simply assume the worst, like a pessimist would.

Originally posted by Treekodar

Originally posted by Bama1267

Originally posted by Treekodar

I can't grasp why anyone would be offended by a name. It's just so.. asinine.

Probably the same reason people get irritated every day because of someones opinion ... its just words right?

The difference is that with an opinion it is quite clear what the sender means. Reading something into a name, however, is entirely subjective. You have absolutely no way to know what the person was looking for by naming his/her character Adolf Hitler, you simply assume the worst, like a pessimist would.

 That is the first impression they gave me, much like someone could give in teh real world by beign a schmuck. It isnt far from teh saem thign at all, It was there choice to give a bad impression.

Originally posted by Treekodar

Originally posted by Bama1267

Originally posted by Treekodar

I can't grasp why anyone would be offended by a name. It's just so.. asinine.

Probably the same reason people get irritated every day because of someones opinion ... its just words right?

The difference is that with an opinion it is quite clear what the sender means. Reading something into a name, however, is entirely subjective. You have absolutely no way to know what the person was looking for by naming his/her character Adolf Hitler, you simply assume the worst, like a pessimist would.

Yes, assumptions are bad. Much like your assumption that developers and community team members haven't seen a decade long consistent history of player behavior in regard to that specific name.

I live in holland and we have alot more freedom of speeche then US but there are limits, all tho im for freedom and you should and could say anything there still some limit how far we should go.

I think when you call yourself Gengis khan prolly nobody have problem with this while he was brutal conqueror who killed millions of people. But Adolf Hitler is maybe to soon and to many offended by that name so it should not be aloud to have such name ingame.

I doub anybody who wants such name take it becouse its such a beuatifull name its more like they admire him and wanne promote his deeds.

Prolly most young people dont know who he is lol.

Originally posted by Evasia

I live in holland and we have alot more freedom of speeche then US ...

Tell that to Gregorius Nekschot.

Originally posted by Aryas

Originally posted by ClanRS

Originally posted by Neloth

Originally posted by maji

Let's say I'd be member of a clan, and there'd be a clan member with that name, then I'd vote to either have him change the name or kick him. Why? Not because the name is "banned" or anything, but what reasons could be there to use that name in a game for a character?

• To provoke people. I think that's the most likely reason why someone would do so. And, no thanks, I don't want people in my clan, who think that the horrors of 2nd World War are a fun enough reason to provoke others, not to mention that this reason would be very immature.
• Because he thinks that Hitler was a great and awesome dude. Which means he is either a neonazi, because he agrees with concepts such as the existance of superior races, eugenics, antisemitism and so on, which would be obviously an instant reason for me to make sure I never play with him again. And/or, that he is again an immature and quite stupid kid who doesn't know what's funny and what is not
• Because he wants to remind people on the horrors and crimes of WW2, to make sure they won't forget and that they'll make sure that this won't happen again. Seriously, I doubt anyone would choose in an MMORPG the name for that. And if he'd have that intention, then a computer game would be the wrong environment for that.

 

I think choosing such a name is like writing a huge "I'm an immature idiot" on ones forehead. Not to forget, that the members of a games community, and the members of a clan, also tell quite some about that clan or community. I'd never join a clan who'd have members with such or similiar names, simply because of above reasons, and I'd have to assume, that the other members of that clan don't mind such idiots running around, which means they'd be on about the same level. And I wouldn't want to be associated with such idiots either. And for the moderators of games: it's the same. If there'd be a game where lots of people have names such as Hitler, Mengele or Goebbels, then it would mean that either the games company doesn't give a damn about what scum plays that game, or that they even think the same as those persons. Which would be a huge reason for many people not to play that game or flee from it quickly.

 

I don't think that the name should be banned, because the name ain't the problem. People using that name are a problem. The game should just autocheck if someone uses that name, and instantly ban that person.

Then they should also instantly ban players calling themselves anything close to "Franklin D Roosevelt" because he authorized the dropping of two nuclear bombs on the civilian population in Heroshima and Nagasaki comitting mass murder and what would have been crimes against humanity today.

 

While they're at it they should also instantly ban "Winston Churchil" for murdering countless civilian germans in blanket bombardment of german cities, "Napoleon" for murdering million during his invasions, dont' forget "Caesar", "Pol Pot", "Slobodan Miloševi?".

 

"Maji" should also be insta banned because it's the same name as the violent Maji Maji war where tens or hundreds of thousans died

Totally, because your comparison holds up...

^ Sarcasm

 

Totally, because unfortunately for you, the comparison does hold up. Perhaps if you hadn't drunk down all the coolaid going, you'd appreciate that too.

 

Shame people are often too ignorant to realise they've been condition to hate something, yet find something comparable or even more extreme perfectly acceptable. History truly is written by the victors, no matter how appaling their own actions may objectively be.

 

Try thinking outside of the box for once, it does't hurt.

I agree to both of you, I do realise this is old post and didn't go far enough to read what's next. It doesn't really matter what name it is, but the intention of choosing the name.

Also I though "Che Guevara" would have placed good into your list. ;)

Originally posted by maji

Originally posted by Neloth

Then they should also instantly ban players calling themselves anything close to "Franklin D Roosevelt" because he authorized the dropping of two nuclear bombs on the civilian population in Heroshima and Nagasaki comitting mass murder and what would have been crimes against humanity today.

I'm sorry, that argument doesn't work out. The point is: why do people pick a certain name, and what does the majority associated it with. Do you think that majority of the people associate with Roosevelt the same as with Hitler? Or that they'd pick that name to troll and provoke others?

Your argument is the same as that of those people, who run around in WW2 military uniforms, because "I like the durability", wave flags with swastikas on them, because "swastika has been there a long time before Hitler", etcetc

You have to admit those WW2 Nazi Officer uniforms were classy.

I think it's just a name, and if you get offended by it then the terrorists win.

People really are funny. I'm sure the Germans would be praising Addie if he hadn't failed so horribly and we'd all be typing in German. Antisemitism was big at that time as well as racism and eugenics. Russia had it's own holocaust, yet I doubt somebody using the name Stalin would get as much attention.

Names are sequences of characters, nothing more and restrictions on them will not erase events in history, or human nature.

Originally posted by mmogawd

even an attempt should result in a perma-ban

Absofuckinglutely!

No. I don't want any real names at all and Hitler ain't the person I would make an exception for.

I don't want to have a PUG with Brittneys Pierce, Arnold Benedict, Clint Billton and similar names either but they are harder to forbid on a non RPG server.

A avatar is a made up character and should therefor have a made up name. One that fits with the gameworld.

It is bad enough with people naming their characters "Legolas".

Had a wow Character named Das Führer from vanilla all the way to 2 weeks after cata when i unsubd. I got ALOT of salutes and people spamming me calling me nazi shit bag and what not. But the multiple GMs i talked to had no problem with it since it simply translates into the leader.

Edit: for poor spelling

Originally posted by mrshroom89

Had a wow Character named Das Führer from vinalla all the way to 2 weeks after cata when i unsubd, i got ALOT of salutes and people spamming me calling me nazi shit bag and what not, but the multiple GMs i talked to had no problem with it since it simply translates into the leader.

    Maybe the GM's were in awe of your cunning linguistics.

We actually had somebody name themselves that in LOTRO, and on Brandywine server and they created a guild that was had the word arion in it .

He was reported,  10 minutes later He was called renamedhlt,   he then changed his name to hister, and started spouting his raciest views.   He was renamed 2 more times that day before somebody finally got smart and banned him, and his guild.  This was like the first week of open beta its been several years. The community was quit to report him due to all the racist stuff he was spouting.

How that name made it past the filters I will never know.  Why they did not ban him outright I don't know.  I hope those words are in the name filter now. 

However I don't think it was his name that got him banned, it was the racist stuff that he was screaming.  

Originally posted by Disgusting

People really are funny. I'm sure the Germans would be praising Addie if he hadn't failed so horribly and we'd all be typing in German. Antisemitism was big at that time as well as racism and eugenics. Russia had it's own holocaust, yet I doubt somebody using the name Stalin would get as much attention.

Names are sequences of characters, nothing more and restrictions on them will not erase events in history, or human nature.

People are not that funny, but history is written by the victors, not the losers.

There is still a lot of talk abot Blitzen '40 and how evil that was but Dresden '45 doesn't matter at all. If England would have lost the Boer war you would hear a lot about their concentration camps.

That does not mean that horrible war crimes commited by guys like Hitler and Pol pot should be kept quit but every country on earth have somekind of dark history that often is lied about.

The guy from Holland have what the Dutch people did at the Spice islands. I am Swedish, my relatives burnt down a lot of Germany during the 30 year war. France did a lot of bad things in Marocco...

The thing here is that we do praise some people who in fact were what we today would call evil. We should not forgive people like Hitler but we should maybe take a second look on the historical figures we idolize, many of them have some rather unpleasant things behind them.