So your saying it wont sell? Is that what i'm getting?

Originally posted by quicknuts

well most of us tend  to not like the asian  games they are redundunt and the same  never evolve much same  games we been playing for 15 years i balieve thats peopel do not like asian themed games because we  go oh (sigh) a nother asian  game well we will see how tera is and deose  im hopefule but we will see if it evolves  i hope it is good looks decent

mmorpgs are evolving a 100% faster in asia than in us/eu - rift and warhammer anyone ? if you dont like asian themed mmos... then good luck waiting few years for new mmorpg (swtor and gw2 are made for how long ?)

asian mmo developers >>>> us developers when you want new kind of mmo. If you want new WoW then you can count on US/EU games.

Originally posted by AndyPreston

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by AndyPreston

For me its because of the whole little girls with giggly voices, pandas, picachu looking characters wandering around, the usual very large man in a trench coat with a small head, the ganjin type with long hair and a nineteen foot long sword. Its all very childlike and yet not at the same time.

Every game is the same, and the whole little girl thing is disturbing. Yes I know its their culture, I respect that. But it isn't part of our culture so its much harder to accept as the norm.

Its got nothing to do with the console they sell us, or super mario etc. Thats totally unrelated. Its about the MMO's. Its accepted that they are having to change them to suit the western market, its just how things are. Its not hate, its difference. Step down from the racism podium please.

Hint: it's a fantasy game. You know, where concepts and ideas created are imaginary and stuff in-game does not attempt to reflect real life. Just because someone's concepts don't jibe with yours closed-minded philosophy of the "normal" MMORPG universe doesn't mean they should have to change a damn thing about the game. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

If you're that narrow-minded about stuff like this, then maybe you should reconsider playing video games altogether.

So basically what youre saying is, I have to like everything. If I dont like Asian themed games Im closed minded and narrow minded...

I didn't once say they had to change a thing about their game either. Pretty much sick of posts on this site where people don't read properly and make up a fictional post in their own mind. Neither did I say I had to buy it, Im capable of making that choice myself.

Basically Ive made a post in response to a few others views saying Im not keen on the Asian theme, which is what this site is for, exchanging opinions about new games etc. Just because my opinion doesn't "jibe" with yours, doesnt mean Im somehow in the wrong. You've obviously taken it personally, are you Asian by any chance..?

The problem lies with you. I disagree with your opinion, and you don't like it. If I don't love everything, Im wrong. Think about something you don't like, are you narrow minded because of it? Hmm...

Nope, I didn't say you had to like everything, you can stop with rephrasing, I was pretty clear. I said you were closed-minded for being unable to accept that there are different fantasy styled MMORPGs and you insist that the game should be changed to suit your taste.

Does it matter whether or not I am asian? Does it change your opinion? Are you a skinhead nazi? Closet racist by chance? 

You can dislike asian developed MMOs all you want, and by all means stay away from Tera - I wouldn't want you there anyhow.

altough it looks a bit too asian for me (not saying like its a bad thing but i think the long swords and other oversized items must be compensading for something huh? hehe ).

On a serious note: the more i check these asian games out the more i think they will be the future of mmo's.

In a wierd way they kinda pull me to their website on weekly basis just to check out what they are doing next.

I am prolly starting to like these asian games i guess :)

Altough i am a blizzfan i cant realy wait 10years between games now can i :p hehe

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by AndyPreston

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by AndyPreston

For me its because of the whole little girls with giggly voices, pandas, picachu looking characters wandering around, the usual very large man in a trench coat with a small head, the ganjin type with long hair and a nineteen foot long sword. Its all very childlike and yet not at the same time.

Every game is the same, and the whole little girl thing is disturbing. Yes I know its their culture, I respect that. But it isn't part of our culture so its much harder to accept as the norm.

Its got nothing to do with the console they sell us, or super mario etc. Thats totally unrelated. Its about the MMO's. Its accepted that they are having to change them to suit the western market, its just how things are. Its not hate, its difference. Step down from the racism podium please.

Hint: it's a fantasy game. You know, where concepts and ideas created are imaginary and stuff in-game does not attempt to reflect real life. Just because someone's concepts don't jibe with yours closed-minded philosophy of the "normal" MMORPG universe doesn't mean they should have to change a damn thing about the game. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

If you're that narrow-minded about stuff like this, then maybe you should reconsider playing video games altogether.

So basically what youre saying is, I have to like everything. If I dont like Asian themed games Im closed minded and narrow minded...

I didn't once say they had to change a thing about their game either. Pretty much sick of posts on this site where people don't read properly and make up a fictional post in their own mind. Neither did I say I had to buy it, Im capable of making that choice myself.

Basically Ive made a post in response to a few others views saying Im not keen on the Asian theme, which is what this site is for, exchanging opinions about new games etc. Just because my opinion doesn't "jibe" with yours, doesnt mean Im somehow in the wrong. You've obviously taken it personally, are you Asian by any chance..?

The problem lies with you. I disagree with your opinion, and you don't like it. If I don't love everything, Im wrong. Think about something you don't like, are you narrow minded because of it? Hmm...

Nope, I didn't say you had to like everything, you can stop with rephrasing, I was pretty clear. I said you were closed-minded for being unable to accept that there are different fantasy styled MMORPGs and you insist that the game should be changed to suit your taste.

Does it matter whether or not I am asian? Does it change your opinion? Are you a skinhead nazi? Closet racist by chance? 

You can dislike asian developed MMOs all you want, and by all means stay away from Tera - I wouldn't want you there anyhow.

I'm gonna go with AndyPreston on this. It really doesn't matter what the theme of the art design is, if a person doesn't like it, they don't like it. He's got every right to voice his opinion on it. When you're talking about visual media, how it looks is just as important as how it plays. If someone were to make the most amazing RPG system for a computer game the gaming world has ever seen, with the caveat that all of the characters are actually walking and talking turds, I wouldn't play it.

Of course, if you want to play the freedom of speech angle here, I suppose you have every right to feel the way you do about AndyPreston based on his opinion, just like I have every right to feel like you're a complete douche for your ridiculous responses to him.

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by AndyPreston

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by AndyPreston

For me its because of the whole little girls with giggly voices, pandas, picachu looking characters wandering around, the usual very large man in a trench coat with a small head, the ganjin type with long hair and a nineteen foot long sword. Its all very childlike and yet not at the same time.

Every game is the same, and the whole little girl thing is disturbing. Yes I know its their culture, I respect that. But it isn't part of our culture so its much harder to accept as the norm.

Its got nothing to do with the console they sell us, or super mario etc. Thats totally unrelated. Its about the MMO's. Its accepted that they are having to change them to suit the western market, its just how things are. Its not hate, its difference. Step down from the racism podium please.

Hint: it's a fantasy game. You know, where concepts and ideas created are imaginary and stuff in-game does not attempt to reflect real life. Just because someone's concepts don't jibe with yours closed-minded philosophy of the "normal" MMORPG universe doesn't mean they should have to change a damn thing about the game. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

If you're that narrow-minded about stuff like this, then maybe you should reconsider playing video games altogether.

So basically what youre saying is, I have to like everything. If I dont like Asian themed games Im closed minded and narrow minded...

I didn't once say they had to change a thing about their game either. Pretty much sick of posts on this site where people don't read properly and make up a fictional post in their own mind. Neither did I say I had to buy it, Im capable of making that choice myself.

Basically Ive made a post in response to a few others views saying Im not keen on the Asian theme, which is what this site is for, exchanging opinions about new games etc. Just because my opinion doesn't "jibe" with yours, doesnt mean Im somehow in the wrong. You've obviously taken it personally, are you Asian by any chance..?

The problem lies with you. I disagree with your opinion, and you don't like it. If I don't love everything, Im wrong. Think about something you don't like, are you narrow minded because of it? Hmm...

Nope, I didn't say you had to like everything, you can stop with rephrasing, I was pretty clear. I said you were closed-minded for being unable to accept that there are different fantasy styled MMORPGs and you insist that the game should be changed to suit your taste.

Does it matter whether or not I am asian? Does it change your opinion? Are you a skinhead nazi? Closet racist by chance? 

You can dislike asian developed MMOs all you want, and by all means stay away from Tera - I wouldn't want you there anyhow.

I'm gonna go with AndyPreston on this. It really doesn't matter what the theme of the art design is, if a person doesn't like it, they don't like it. He's got every right to voice his opinion on it. When you're talking about visual media, how it looks is just as important as how it plays. If someone were to make the most amazing RPG system for a computer game the gaming world has ever seen, with the caveat that all of the characters are actually walking and talking turds, I wouldn't play it.

Of course, if you want to play the freedom of speech angle here, I suppose you have every right to feel the way you do about AndyPreston based on his opinion, just like I have every right to feel like you're a complete douche for your ridiculous responses to him.

What if instead you had 2 playable races....a douche, and a turd?! I would totally play that, but I have no idea how I would decide between a douche and a turd.

On a serious note the dislike of an art style doesn't make anyone racist. I for instance hate country music, and I am white. I also hate rap. People are allowed to express their like, or dislike of artistic expression if they want to. Saying that they don't want to play a game because it is from asia isn't an attack on asian people, or culture. It is simply saying that they prefer their own culture, and there is nothing wrong with having pride in your culture. In this world I have preferences, and I am not going to pretend they don't exist to make others happy. I choose to play my games based on those preferences. 

Originally posted by jonrd463

I'm gonna go with AndyPreston on this. It really doesn't matter what the theme of the art design is, if a person doesn't like it, they don't like it. He's got every right to voice his opinion on it. When you're talking about visual media, how it looks is just as important as how it plays. If someone were to make the most amazing RPG system for a computer game the gaming world has ever seen, with the caveat that all of the characters are actually walking and talking turds, I wouldn't play it.

Of course, if you want to play the freedom of speech angle here, I suppose you have every right to feel the way you do about AndyPreston based on his opinion, just like I have every right to feel like you're a complete douche for your ridiculous responses to him.

I never said he couldn't state his opinion on it, I was pointing out how his opinion was skewed and wrong. Frankly I don't care if you side with him, good for you -- maybe you two can get together for late night coffee some time.

Originally posted by jerkbeast

What if instead you had 2 playable races....a douche, and a turd?! I would totally play that, but I have no idea how I would decide between a douche and a turd.

On a serious note the dislike of an art style doesn't make anyone racist. I for instance hate country music, and I am white. I also hate rap. People are allowed to express their like, or dislike of artistic expression if they want to. Saying that they don't want to play a game because it is from asia isn't an attack on asian people, or culture. It is simply saying that they prefer their own culture, and there is nothing wrong with having pride in your culture. In this world I have preferences, and I am not going to pretend they don't exist to make others happy. I choose to play my games based on those preferences. 

Then go by your preferences and stop trying to tailor the game to meet them, it wasn't made to fit everybody and certainly not those that have a disdain for "asian" MMOs in general. 

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by jonrd463

I'm gonna go with AndyPreston on this. It really doesn't matter what the theme of the art design is, if a person doesn't like it, they don't like it. He's got every right to voice his opinion on it. When you're talking about visual media, how it looks is just as important as how it plays. If someone were to make the most amazing RPG system for a computer game the gaming world has ever seen, with the caveat that all of the characters are actually walking and talking turds, I wouldn't play it.

Of course, if you want to play the freedom of speech angle here, I suppose you have every right to feel the way you do about AndyPreston based on his opinion, just like I have every right to feel like you're a complete douche for your ridiculous responses to him.

I never said he couldn't state his opinion on it, I was pointing out how his opinion was skewed and wrong. Frankly I don't care if you side with him, good for you -- maybe you two can get together for late night coffee some time.

How is his opinion skewed and wrong? He states he doesn't like the Asian artstyle in mmos and then goes on to list parts of said artstyle which he doesn't like. He isn't asking for all mmos to be made in a western style and he isn't saying Asians are any worse or better then any westerners, he is simply stating that such an artsyle is not for him.

Are you going to tell me next that if someone doesn't happen to like the colour green, but you do, that his disliking of the colour green is both a skewed and wrong opinion?

Personally certain aspects of the current standard Asian style we see in mmos puts me off as well, whilst it's not for me I can fully appreciate that it is what countless amounts of other people enjoy. But I guess that means little, simply the fact that I don't personally like a specific 'style' or aspects of it means I am an uninformed, xenophobic monster.

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

How is his opinion skewed and wrong? He states he doesn't like the Asian artstyle in mmos and then goes on to list parts of said artstyle which he doesn't like. He isn't asking for all mmos to be made in a western style and he isn't saying Asians are any worse or better then any westerners, he is simply stating that such an artsyle is not for him.

 

Are you going to tell me next that if someone doesn't happen to like the colour green, but you do, that his disliking of the colour green is both a skewed and wrong opinion?

 

Personally certain aspects of the current standard Asian style we see in mmos puts me off as well, whilst it's not for me I can fully appreciate that it is what countless amounts of other people enjoy. But I guess that means little, simply the fact that I don't personally like a specific 'style' means I am an uninformed, xenophobic monster.

Saying that every asian developed MMO is the same, having little girls, picachu characters, pandas, and large men in trench coats wielding an oversized sword is a skewed and misinformed opinion.

To answer your question: no, and you draw a terrible example.

You prefer what you prefer. It doesn't make you an uninformed xenophobe until you start hate mongering in threads relating to foreign developed MMOs to vehemently argue obvious differences of preferences with weak stabs to illustrate your point of view. 

What's wrong with aisan themed? If you mean by art work, then I'll have to say that asian style of MMO art or games period is a lot more visually appealing than American and UK games where the toons look unproportioned and having that stupid look on most of their faces. Just look at the male Alliance toon in WoW for example. In any case TERA looks amazing. Asians make better looking female toons. And that is kinda a big thing for me if I have to stare at a character for hours on end. Even though Aion was kind of a flop, I think it had one of the best looking character creations ever. And it looks as if TERA is following that same suit.

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

How is his opinion skewed and wrong? He states he doesn't like the Asian artstyle in mmos and then goes on to list parts of said artstyle which he doesn't like. He isn't asking for all mmos to be made in a western style and he isn't saying Asians are any worse or better then any westerners, he is simply stating that such an artsyle is not for him.

 

Are you going to tell me next that if someone doesn't happen to like the colour green, but you do, that his disliking of the colour green is both a skewed and wrong opinion?

 

Personally certain aspects of the current standard Asian style we see in mmos puts me off as well, whilst it's not for me I can fully appreciate that it is what countless amounts of other people enjoy. But I guess that means little, simply the fact that I don't personally like a specific 'style' means I am an uninformed, xenophobic monster.

Saying that every asian developed MMO is the same, having little girls, picachu characters, pandas, and large men in trench coats wielding an oversized sword is a skewed and misinformed opinion.

To answer your question: no, and you draw a terrible example.

You prefer what you prefer. It doesn't make you an uninformed xenophobe until you start hate mongering in threads relating to foreign developed MMOs to vehemently argue obvious differences of preferences with weak stabs to illustrate your point of view. 

Actually he seemed to me to be picking out specific aspects that he doesn't like. Saying that you don't like specific aspects is far, far away from being hate mongering.

I doubt anyone would argue that there is not both an amazing amount of depth to eastern culture as well as now a massive amount of intermixing between the modern eastern and western youth culture scenes. But there are specific, key stylistic types that are prevalent in some asian styled mmos. Tera is a game that has such an art style, so he is more then justified in pointing that out. Or are you telling me that there are no oversized swords in Tera? Are there no panda/pikachu themed characters in the game?  Are there no characters/classes that look like mini adult (read potentially sexualized) children?

Someone can dislike all that and point to it being of an asian stylistic bent, without stating that that is essentially the be all and end all of eastern culture. They can also state they don't like those aspects without saying 'thats wrong and immoral' or stupid, they simply don't like that art style.

I live in England, I'd like to think that there is quite a bit of depth to the culture of the place and Europe in general. But i'm sure many Asian players could point to the fact that all our fantasy mmos are all about knights and dragons with wizards with pointy hats and fireballs. You know what they would be right, and they would be more than entitled to say 'Oh God I hate that western art style crap'. It doesn't mean they are panning our culture, they are simply pointing out that in terms of games/mmos we tend to see a similar set of features. Much the same as we see in many of their games/mmos which we see details of/release over here.

Also here's your big guy with an oversized sword:

Little girls with giggly voices:

Picachu characters:

Panda:

I guess by your definition, WoW is an asian themed MMO.

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Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

How is his opinion skewed and wrong? He states he doesn't like the Asian artstyle in mmos and then goes on to list parts of said artstyle which he doesn't like. He isn't asking for all mmos to be made in a western style and he isn't saying Asians are any worse or better then any westerners, he is simply stating that such an artsyle is not for him.

 

Are you going to tell me next that if someone doesn't happen to like the colour green, but you do, that his disliking of the colour green is both a skewed and wrong opinion?

 

Personally certain aspects of the current standard Asian style we see in mmos puts me off as well, whilst it's not for me I can fully appreciate that it is what countless amounts of other people enjoy. But I guess that means little, simply the fact that I don't personally like a specific 'style' means I am an uninformed, xenophobic monster.

Saying that every asian developed MMO is the same, having little girls, picachu characters, pandas, and large men in trench coats wielding an oversized sword is a skewed and misinformed opinion.

To answer your question: no, and you draw a terrible example.

You prefer what you prefer. It doesn't make you an uninformed xenophobe until you start hate mongering in threads relating to foreign developed MMOs to vehemently argue obvious differences of preferences with weak stabs to illustrate your point of view. 

You are taking this way too personal. You're also creating one hell of a strawman here based on one person's well-stated opinion. If you're ego is so fragile that anything negative said against your personal lord and savior at the moment sends you into a spittle flinging rage and overblown accusations like "hate mongering", perhaps you need to step back and examine your priorities.

Political Correctness... the bane of free thought everywhere.

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I guess by your definition, WoW is an asian themed MMO.

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I guess by my definition WoW is an mmo that has drawn on those stylistic leanings which it finds popular enough at the time, your point being? Stating that there is a merging of east and west in certain games does not disprove the fact that each demographic has specific art components within the genre.

Or has your whole argument against people saying that they see certain aspects repeated in the eastern games they are aware of which they don't personally enjoy, shifted from 'you're a xenophobe'. To, 'well if there is a merging of styles in some western mmos then you must be wrong'? Because if so that's a pretty poor argument.

I'm not entirely sure why you are so against someone stating that over-sized swords and the like are more frequent in asian than western mmos and that they don't happen to like that.

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by jerkbeast

What if instead you had 2 playable races....a douche, and a turd?! I would totally play that, but I have no idea how I would decide between a douche and a turd.

On a serious note the dislike of an art style doesn't make anyone racist. I for instance hate country music, and I am white. I also hate rap. People are allowed to express their like, or dislike of artistic expression if they want to. Saying that they don't want to play a game because it is from asia isn't an attack on asian people, or culture. It is simply saying that they prefer their own culture, and there is nothing wrong with having pride in your culture. In this world I have preferences, and I am not going to pretend they don't exist to make others happy. I choose to play my games based on those preferences. 

Then go by your preferences and stop trying to tailor the game to meet them, it wasn't made to fit everybody and certainly not those that have a disdain for "asian" MMOs in general. 

I wasn't saying that I don't like the style. I was just pointing out your obvious ignorance of the fact that not everyone is required to agree with you on things. You seem to argue for the sake of argument, and will not use logic to see the actual point being made.

There is one thing that could be changed in TERA that would make me more excited about it. Animations for the female characters. As of now, they run like pubescent girls on a playground, and their idle standing pose looks like mannequins at Saks Fifth Avenue. While one can throw the "It's fantasy! Duh!" argument around to a certain extent, some things need to make a little sense. Adventurers, regardless of gender, should be at the very least atheletic in poise and movement. I never thought I'd ever use such a dreadful show like Xena as an example, but at least the character had a demeanor about her that let you know she was serious. Most of the videos I've seen featured a female PC, and the only thing I ever took away from them was "My god, she runs like a dandy!"

I personally don't mind the overall Asian anime style in a game, but that just goes above and beyond for me. ArcheAge looks like it's staying away from that fashion model approach and I'm looking forward to seeing that one released. I was excited about TERA when I found out it was getting westernized (to a point), but unless the overall reviews after release tell of an outstanding game, I'll be keeping away from it.

Originally posted by jerkbeast

Originally posted by goosie

Originally posted by jerkbeast

What if instead you had 2 playable races....a douche, and a turd?! I would totally play that, but I have no idea how I would decide between a douche and a turd.

On a serious note the dislike of an art style doesn't make anyone racist. I for instance hate country music, and I am white. I also hate rap. People are allowed to express their like, or dislike of artistic expression if they want to. Saying that they don't want to play a game because it is from asia isn't an attack on asian people, or culture. It is simply saying that they prefer their own culture, and there is nothing wrong with having pride in your culture. In this world I have preferences, and I am not going to pretend they don't exist to make others happy. I choose to play my games based on those preferences. 

Then go by your preferences and stop trying to tailor the game to meet them, it wasn't made to fit everybody and certainly not those that have a disdain for "asian" MMOs in general. 

I wasn't saying that I don't like the style. I was just pointing out your obvious ignorance of the fact that not everyone is required to agree with you on things. You seem to argue for the sake of argument, and will not use logic to see the actual point being made.

And your point was ignorant that in of itself. I didn't equate disliking an art style to being racist. Your post was pointless.

Originally posted by sudo

If only it didn't have an asian theme to it :(

yes :(

Wow, a good 5 pages of bitching, and noone caught the joke yet?

Look at the avatar next to that initial "asian themed" comment...