Massive free-for-all Star Wars experience throughout space versus scripted KIOTOR rerun with a few MMO trappings added on.

When I first heard about this game I salivated with anticipation - now I'm so completely bored with it I'm certain I won't sub. 

That is my opinion.

No Change in Mood I have a real life; Concept is great when it releases it will get played.

Bored now, Zzzzzzz; Whu, still not released?? Zzzzzzzzzzz....

Originally posted by Isane

No Change in Mood I have a real life; Concept is great when it releases it will get played.

QFE.

Originally posted by Kuinn

Bioware is not trying to make a movie or a book here, but a game. If everything would work just like in some movie and every class would be a copy of some iconic movie equivalent character of supposedly same "class", this game would turn out to be crap, narrow in gameplay etc, no mobs spawning and the worlds would be empty after "cleared", chars perma dying etc etc it's a game not a movie, get a grip whiners.

 

I guess you hate every Star Wars game because you can heal in them etc. Force Unleashed is the worst of them all since after you kill something small green orbs fly to you and you gain health OMG! NOT LIKE IN THE MOVIES.

Id like to actually take on the trinity part of star wars and not seeing any healers in the movies. Sure u dont see any healers in movies but in the star wars expanded universe healer jedi exist. Smugglers can patch people up and so forth.

While they showed off a smuggler healing class its not the norm. it was a class begged for by people in beta. Its one path a smuggler can take in one of there 2 trees. So its basicly a 1 out of 4 possible patsh a smuggler can take is healer. The other 3 are alll damage dealers.

that said anyone who has kept up with the expanded universe knows all about jedi healing trances and jedi healers like clligihal a mon cal healer in the jedi order run by luke skywalker. So to say healers messes up star wars ccanon is funny. Ift seems most people who say this never read anything after the movies ended.

They see the star wars universe as the movies only not the  hundreds of books and grapic novels produced. Which makes no sense. Star wars has healers bioware isnt killing off some huge no no and going against everything star wars here.

I find the majority of anti star wars old republic stuff comes from guys claiming gw 2 is gonna revolutionize the genre or people who wanted a galaxies clone. Sorry but its not gonna be a galzies clone and as for gw 2 the graphics for tor have been rraved about by anyone actually having a hands on. So gw 2 graphics arent be all end all while tors are bottom feeders either despite wha tu say.

Originally posted by kalinis

Id like to actually take on the trinity part of star wars and not seeing any healers in the movies. Sure u dont see any healers in movies but in the star wars expanded universe healer jedi exist. Smugglers can patch people up and so forth.

While they showed off a smuggler healing class its not the norm. it was a class begged for by people in beta. Its one path a smuggler can take in one of there 2 trees. So its basicly a 1 out of 4 possible patsh a smuggler can take is healer. The other 3 are alll damage dealers.

that said anyone who has kept up with the expanded universe knows all about jedi healing trances and jedi healers like clligihal a mon cal healer in the jedi order run by luke skywalker. So to say healers messes up star wars ccanon is funny. Ift seems most people who say this never read anything after the movies ended.

They see the star wars universe as the movies only not the  hundreds of books and grapic novels produced. Which makes no sense. Star wars has healers bioware isnt killing off some huge no no and going against everything star wars here.

I find the majority of anti star wars old republic stuff comes from guys claiming gw 2 is gonna revolutionize the genre or people who wanted a galaxies clone. Sorry but its not gonna be a galzies clone and as for gw 2 the graphics for tor have been rraved about by anyone actually having a hands on. So gw 2 graphics arent be all end all while tors are bottom feeders either despite wha tu say.

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy

Originally posted by kalinis

Id like to actually take on the trinity part of star wars and not seeing any healers in the movies. Sure u dont see any healers in movies but in the star wars expanded universe healer jedi exist. Smugglers can patch people up and so forth.

While they showed off a smuggler healing class its not the norm. it was a class begged for by people in beta. Its one path a smuggler can take in one of there 2 trees. So its basicly a 1 out of 4 possible patsh a smuggler can take is healer. The other 3 are alll damage dealers.

that said anyone who has kept up with the expanded universe knows all about jedi healing trances and jedi healers like clligihal a mon cal healer in the jedi order run by luke skywalker. So to say healers messes up star wars ccanon is funny. Ift seems most people who say this never read anything after the movies ended.

They see the star wars universe as the movies only not the  hundreds of books and grapic novels produced. Which makes no sense. Star wars has healers bioware isnt killing off some huge no no and going against everything star wars here.

I find the majority of anti star wars old republic stuff comes from guys claiming gw 2 is gonna revolutionize the genre or people who wanted a galaxies clone. Sorry but its not gonna be a galzies clone and as for gw 2 the graphics for tor have been rraved about by anyone actually having a hands on. So gw 2 graphics arent be all end all while tors are bottom feeders either despite wha tu say.

 

I am guessing the part about Jedi healers in the expanded universe is directed partly at me. Yes I have read a lot of the books, at least all the way up to the 25-40 years after a new hope in the time line (I got bored and lost interest after that). So I do know about the Mon Cal healer from the Jedi Academy trilogy. She was nothing like a healer in a MMO though, so I am not sure how you are saying that makes it all right to turn Jedi into clerics that go I heal, I heal, I heal.

 

Of course this is just my personal opinion but the moment I see a Jedi going I heal, I heal, I heal will be the moment the game loses the ability to be called Star Wars. And yes I know, games have mechanics in them that has nothing to do with Star Wars, IE the Force Unleashed game talked about above. It is just the fact I do not agree with the trinity being in Star Wars, I cannot stand the fact that Jedi can be turned into a lame retarded healer that does I heal, I heal, I heal, I heal. Of course like I said this is just my opinion, Bioware can do whatever they want to the game, I just will not play it after I see one Jedi doing that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHcLP8f4k3I

Look, a Jedi is healing.

I been excited for this game since i first heard about it years ago, a Bio Ware MMORPG just gets me all worked up, especially one based on the KOTOR/Star Wars.. I'am only "mad" i'd say because we are still without a SOLID release date, but it's understandable especially since Bio Ware has been takeing a stance on "NO" speculateing for SWTOR.

I guess i just perfer to look at healing in a star wars mmo diffrently. Sure it may have the mechanics of a cleric or wow healer. But i perfer to look at it more as battlefeild triash. Technicly it may look like a smuggler healer is casting spells when he is using medpacks. But he is just doing what a med corpsman in military does. patching up injured as fast as can to make sure survive to be fully healed later.

Or a jedi cleric as using the force to remove harmful stuff and promote healing from within. I guess what im saying is healers do exist in star wars universe maybe not in a traditional mmo context but if u just play along and look at it as just a game mechanic so u k now u are healing then as being a cleric.

I k now luke in alot of books calls up on the force to revitalize heal and numb his wounds while fighting. I just perfer to look at healing in tor as more like that then as the traditional cleric casting healing spells.

I guess u can call it roleplaying if u want. But i just perfer to look at it diffrently then u do.

I doubt very many people here will say that SWTOR will be a bad game in the RPG sense, there's no doubt in my mind that Bioware is going to put out a solid product. However, it remains to be seen if they truly know how to put out a great MMORPG. There's no doubt I'll be playing since I enjoy Bioware products so they'll have a solid subscriber for a few months, the rest is up in the air.

Originally posted by romanator0

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy

Originally posted by kalinis

Id like to actually take on the trinity part of star wars and not seeing any healers in the movies. Sure u dont see any healers in movies but in the star wars expanded universe healer jedi exist. Smugglers can patch people up and so forth.

While they showed off a smuggler healing class its not the norm. it was a class begged for by people in beta. Its one path a smuggler can take in one of there 2 trees. So its basicly a 1 out of 4 possible patsh a smuggler can take is healer. The other 3 are alll damage dealers.

that said anyone who has kept up with the expanded universe knows all about jedi healing trances and jedi healers like clligihal a mon cal healer in the jedi order run by luke skywalker. So to say healers messes up star wars ccanon is funny. Ift seems most people who say this never read anything after the movies ended.

They see the star wars universe as the movies only not the  hundreds of books and grapic novels produced. Which makes no sense. Star wars has healers bioware isnt killing off some huge no no and going against everything star wars here.

I find the majority of anti star wars old republic stuff comes from guys claiming gw 2 is gonna revolutionize the genre or people who wanted a galaxies clone. Sorry but its not gonna be a galzies clone and as for gw 2 the graphics for tor have been rraved about by anyone actually having a hands on. So gw 2 graphics arent be all end all while tors are bottom feeders either despite wha tu say.

 

I am guessing the part about Jedi healers in the expanded universe is directed partly at me. Yes I have read a lot of the books, at least all the way up to the 25-40 years after a new hope in the time line (I got bored and lost interest after that). So I do know about the Mon Cal healer from the Jedi Academy trilogy. She was nothing like a healer in a MMO though, so I am not sure how you are saying that makes it all right to turn Jedi into clerics that go I heal, I heal, I heal.

 

Of course this is just my personal opinion but the moment I see a Jedi going I heal, I heal, I heal will be the moment the game loses the ability to be called Star Wars. And yes I know, games have mechanics in them that has nothing to do with Star Wars, IE the Force Unleashed game talked about above. It is just the fact I do not agree with the trinity being in Star Wars, I cannot stand the fact that Jedi can be turned into a lame retarded healer that does I heal, I heal, I heal, I heal. Of course like I said this is just my opinion, Bioware can do whatever they want to the game, I just will not play it after I see one Jedi doing that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHcLP8f4k3I

Look, a Jedi is healing.

Not to mention jedi healing was in "Rule of Two." Near the end of the book you're reading about Bane taking on multiple jedi with one of them doing nothing but healing the others to keep them strong. 

This game  certainly seems less IP breaking than SWG was, where TKMs are beating up stormtroopers and jedi are flaunting their skills during Order 66. 

Originally posted by GPrestige

I'm really curious about this... I remember reading threads of people extremely excited about this game. Now, it seems the mood has changed and people are either worried it will be crappy or they just simply don't like the idea of it anymore. There are tons of different threads, too many to read through which is why I hope I can get some responses in a single sentence (if you can) as to what changed?

 Im the complete opposite to generic statement. Ive gone from no interest, to cant wait.

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by Faelsun

Because of simply this, they hyped the game up FOR Star Wars fans who typically as gamers dont like progression loot based WOWish games. They let speculation on their forums of at least some sandbox elements in the game and even hinted at it.

There were and are also a lot of Star Wars fans who aren't sandbox fans at all, and who want an experience that feels more like a Star Wars experience that a good story oriented themepark MMORPG can bring, instead of a sandbox Star Wars experience that's akin to 'go farm, or make your own content because we haven't included any in our game'.

People who dislike themepark MMO's and only prefer sandbox MMO's, I suggest they skip SWTOR, GW2, Rift and TERA or any other MMORPG being released in the next year, and just wait for ArcheAge and World of Darkness in a year or 2.

Well sure but the point is that Bioware/EA had long ago made up their mind it was going to be a themepark but promoted it as as some paradighm breaking game that would cater to multiple player groups. And I wouldn't call GW a full themepark since its so tilted towards pvp with PVE being mainly for questing and mats, its more of the happy middle road of themepark without the need for raid grinding which is typically what I prefer. Because although I dont mind full looting I really dont need it in my life either. But anyway I am waiting for WOD but even its not a full sandbox, more of a sandpark coffeeshop. But its STILL not a wow clone while having themepark elements. The trouble here is you take a large portion of people who played wow and basically danced around raiding as much as possible in favor of mostly PVP activity. Or people who played non wowish games and the people who played Galaxies. Now we know for a fact the galaxies players did NOT want a NGE themepark, but thats what they got, people who already played wow didnt want a wow clone either, the only people who wanted a wow clone are raid guilds who probably make up a few hundred thousand of the player base and for the most part are all going to be playing RIFT for quite some time.

Its not all about the Themepark its about this forced gear to grind forced carrot on a stick gameplay that is not required to be a themepark. It controls every aspect of gameplay, want a lightsaber fine, grind wookie rebels until the really nice one with .01 drop percentage drops. How about a land speeder fine, grind rebel droids or whatnot for a few days to gain some kind of rep. New Jedi robes that are just decent for you can be accomplished by grinding ten mans for a few weeks, then you can work on getting the above average ones. Just read the faq on how to kill the scripted boss, a 50 foot jawa mutant.

The only thing you will be able to craft is most likely garbage or made from mats you get from ta dah, raids. So this isnt just about Themeparks this is about a TIRED system of doing things the same way over and over again until you beat your head against a brick wall in frustration.

Disliking the WOW,EQ paradigm doesnt mean all themeparks are bad, it just means everyone doesnt want to play wow over and over and over and over and over again until we bleed from the eyes.

Also something else is hurting TOR right now, I belive its called RIFT, far be it from me to say but having Two wow clones on the market at the same time with one of them already doing fairly well seems to say your jumping into a saturated market. Especially since most wow clones have been bad TOR will have to actually be good to compete not only with WOW but its competitors now, which means sharing the market, whcih means not having a sub base over  1 million or even close and probably depending on box sales to make sure to break even.

Originally posted by Faelsun

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by Faelsun

Because of simply this, they hyped the game up FOR Star Wars fans who typically as gamers dont like progression loot based WOWish games. They let speculation on their forums of at least some sandbox elements in the game and even hinted at it.

There were and are also a lot of Star Wars fans who aren't sandbox fans at all, and who want an experience that feels more like a Star Wars experience that a good story oriented themepark MMORPG can bring, instead of a sandbox Star Wars experience that's akin to 'go farm, or make your own content because we haven't included any in our game'.

People who dislike themepark MMO's and only prefer sandbox MMO's, I suggest they skip SWTOR, GW2, Rift and TERA or any other MMORPG being released in the next year, and just wait for ArcheAge and World of Darkness in a year or 2.

Well sure but the point is that Bioware/EA had long ago made up their mind it was going to be a themepark but promoted it as as some paradighm breaking game that would cater to multiple player groups. And I wouldn't call GW a full themepark since its so tilted towards pvp with PVE being mainly for questing and mats, its more of the happy middle road of themepark without the need for raid grinding which is typically what I prefer. Because although I dont mind full looting I really dont need it in my life either. But anyway I am waiting for WOD but even its not a full sandbox, more of a sandpark coffeeshop. But its STILL not a wow clone while having themepark elements. The trouble here is you take a large portion of people who played wow and basically danced around raiding as much as possible in favor of mostly PVP activity. Or people who played non wowish games and the people who played Galaxies. Now we know for a fact the galaxies players did NOT want a NGE themepark, but thats what they got, people who already played wow didnt want a wow clone either, the only people who wanted a wow clone are raid guilds who probably make up a few hundred thousand of the player base and for the most part are all going to be playing RIFT for quite some time.

Its not all about the Themepark its about this forced gear to grind forced carrot on a stick gameplay that is not required to be a themepark. It controls every aspect of gameplay, want a lightsaber fine, grind wookie rebels until the really nice one with .01 drop percentage drops. How about a land speeder fine, grind rebel droids or whatnot for a few days to gain some kind of rep. New Jedi robes that are just decent for you can be accomplished by grinding ten mans for a few weeks, then you can work on getting the above average ones. Just read the faq on how to kill the scripted boss, a 50 foot jawa mutant.

The only thing you will be able to craft is most likely garbage or made from mats you get from ta dah, raids. So this isnt just about Themeparks this is about a TIRED system of doing things the same way over and over again until you beat your head against a brick wall in frustration.

Disliking the WOW,EQ paradigm doesnt mean all themeparks are bad, it just means everyone doesnt want to play wow over and over and over and over and over again until we bleed from the eyes.

Also something else is hurting TOR right now, I belive its called RIFT, far be it from me to say but having Two wow clones on the market at the same time with one of them already doing fairly well seems to say your jumping into a saturated market. Especially since most wow clones have been bad TOR will have to actually be good to compete not only with WOW but its competitors now, which means sharing the market, whcih means not having a sub base over  1 million or even close and probably depending on box sales to make sure to break even.

Good thing TOR isn't a WOW clone. I played WOW and TOR doesn't look anything like it. Constantly repeating that it is won't make that lie any more true. 

And really, who cares about RIFT? Do you really think that the majority of people waiting for this game are going to not play it because of another MMO that isn't similiar in any which way or fashion? If so you clearly have no idea what type of audience TOR has. 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Good thing TOR isn't a WOW clone. I played WOW and TOR doesn't look anything like it. Constantly repeating that it is won't make that lie any more true. 

And really, who cares about RIFT? Do you really think that the majority of people waiting for this game are going to not play it because of another MMO that isn't similiar in any which way or fashion? If so you clearly have no idea what type of audience TOR has. 

Uhm YES it is Bioware even admits it proudly and have from the very beginning. Arguing if it will do well is one thing, but this thing has been a WOW baby from the start.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/02/bioware-admits-tor-is-a-wow-clone/

And who cares about market share in an already saturated market? Well I bet EA games is concerned about it considering the cost of making this game could feed every starving child on earth for ten years.

Originally posted by Faelsun

Originally posted by ktanner3

Good thing TOR isn't a WOW clone. I played WOW and TOR doesn't look anything like it. Constantly repeating that it is won't make that lie any more true. 

And really, who cares about RIFT? Do you really think that the majority of people waiting for this game are going to not play it because of another MMO that isn't similiar in any which way or fashion? If so you clearly have no idea what type of audience TOR has. 

Uhm YES it is Bioware even admits it proudly and have from the very beginning. Arguing if it will do well is one thing, but this thing has been a WOW baby from the start.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/02/bioware-admits-tor-is-a-wow-clone/

And who cares about market share in an already saturated market? Well I bet EA games is concerned about it considering the cost of making this game could feed every starving child on earth for ten years.

Wow,  for one, the link you posted is laughable at best...   Why DCUO did so well?  It sold well,  but SOE couldn't fix the game fast enough to keep players,  it isn't doing so hot right now.    More importantly,  they didn't say they were cloning WoW at all,  they said they are using it as a touchstone and that there are some important rules that WoW has that all MMOs should follow.  He didn't say they cloned WoW,  and he didn't go into specifics on what rules he was talking about either.

Anyone with 2 eyes 30 minutes and a brain that can think for themselves can go through the released information and see that quite a bit of it differs from what WoW has.   

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Faelsun

Originally posted by ktanner3

Good thing TOR isn't a WOW clone. I played WOW and TOR doesn't look anything like it. Constantly repeating that it is won't make that lie any more true. 

And really, who cares about RIFT? Do you really think that the majority of people waiting for this game are going to not play it because of another MMO that isn't similiar in any which way or fashion? If so you clearly have no idea what type of audience TOR has. 

Uhm YES it is Bioware even admits it proudly and have from the very beginning. Arguing if it will do well is one thing, but this thing has been a WOW baby from the start.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/02/bioware-admits-tor-is-a-wow-clone/

And who cares about market share in an already saturated market? Well I bet EA games is concerned about it considering the cost of making this game could feed every starving child on earth for ten years.

Wow,  for one, the link you posted is laughable at best...   Why DCUO did so well?  It sold well,  but SOE couldn't fix the game fast enough to keep players,  it isn't doing so hot right now.    More importantly,  they didn't say they were cloning WoW at all,  they said they are using it as a touchstone and that there are some important rules that WoW has that all MMOs should follow.  He didn't say they cloned WoW,  and he didn't go into specifics on what rules he was talking about either.

 

Anyone with 2 eyes 30 minutes and a brain that can think for themselves can go through the released information and see that quite a bit of it differs from what WoW has.   

Laughable, whatever an actual interview with an actual Bioware dev saying it actually is a WOW clone, looks pretty solid to me.  And you are right anyone with two eyes and not a blind fanboi can clearly see this is a WOW clone. Lets just run a check off of WOW clone specifications why dont we.

 Based on raiding and gear grinding, Check

 Uses a WOW talent Tree, check.

 WOW combat system, check.

 Childike graphics, check.

Battlegrounds, check.

WOW UI clone, check.

Holy Trinity CHECK

As a matter of fact its easier to show that it is a WOW clone than it is to prove that its not. Honestly anything more than the fact that it is Star Wars, has voiceover and and Fluff it might have is needed here. The only thing it can say it does that wow doesnt is all fluff thats totally meaningless.

Originally posted by Faelsun

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Faelsun

Originally posted by ktanner3

Good thing TOR isn't a WOW clone. I played WOW and TOR doesn't look anything like it. Constantly repeating that it is won't make that lie any more true. 

And really, who cares about RIFT? Do you really think that the majority of people waiting for this game are going to not play it because of another MMO that isn't similiar in any which way or fashion? If so you clearly have no idea what type of audience TOR has. 

Uhm YES it is Bioware even admits it proudly and have from the very beginning. Arguing if it will do well is one thing, but this thing has been a WOW baby from the start.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/02/bioware-admits-tor-is-a-wow-clone/

And who cares about market share in an already saturated market? Well I bet EA games is concerned about it considering the cost of making this game could feed every starving child on earth for ten years.

Wow,  for one, the link you posted is laughable at best...   Why DCUO did so well?  It sold well,  but SOE couldn't fix the game fast enough to keep players,  it isn't doing so hot right now.    More importantly,  they didn't say they were cloning WoW at all,  they said they are using it as a touchstone and that there are some important rules that WoW has that all MMOs should follow.  He didn't say they cloned WoW,  and he didn't go into specifics on what rules he was talking about either.

 

Anyone with 2 eyes 30 minutes and a brain that can think for themselves can go through the released information and see that quite a bit of it differs from what WoW has.   

Laughable, whatever an actual interview with an actual Bioware dev saying it actually is a WOW clone, looks pretty solid to me.  And you are right anyone with two eyes and not a blind fanboi can clearly see this is a WOW clone. Lets just run a check off of WOW clone specifications why dont we.

 Based on raiding and gear grinding, Check

 Uses a WOW talent Tree, check.

 WOW combat system, check.

 Childike graphics, check.

Battlegrounds, check.

WOW UI clone, check.

Holy Trinity CHECK

As a matter of fact its easier to show that it is a WOW clone than it is to prove that its not. Honestly anything more than the fact that it is Star Wars, has voiceover and and Fluff it might have is needed here. The only thing it can say it does that wow doesnt is all fluff thats totally meaningless.

I would say that the ultimate factor in calling something a WoW clone is will the level cap go up when xpacks are put out.

Originally posted by Faelsun

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Faelsun

Originally posted by ktanner3

Good thing TOR isn't a WOW clone. I played WOW and TOR doesn't look anything like it. Constantly repeating that it is won't make that lie any more true. 

And really, who cares about RIFT? Do you really think that the majority of people waiting for this game are going to not play it because of another MMO that isn't similiar in any which way or fashion? If so you clearly have no idea what type of audience TOR has. 

Uhm YES it is Bioware even admits it proudly and have from the very beginning. Arguing if it will do well is one thing, but this thing has been a WOW baby from the start.

http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/02/bioware-admits-tor-is-a-wow-clone/

And who cares about market share in an already saturated market? Well I bet EA games is concerned about it considering the cost of making this game could feed every starving child on earth for ten years.

Wow,  for one, the link you posted is laughable at best...   Why DCUO did so well?  It sold well,  but SOE couldn't fix the game fast enough to keep players,  it isn't doing so hot right now.    More importantly,  they didn't say they were cloning WoW at all,  they said they are using it as a touchstone and that there are some important rules that WoW has that all MMOs should follow.  He didn't say they cloned WoW,  and he didn't go into specifics on what rules he was talking about either.

 

Anyone with 2 eyes 30 minutes and a brain that can think for themselves can go through the released information and see that quite a bit of it differs from what WoW has.   

Laughable, whatever an actual interview with an actual Bioware dev saying it actually is a WOW clone, looks pretty solid to me.  And you are right anyone with two eyes and not a blind fanboi can clearly see this is a WOW clone. Lets just run a check off of WOW clone specifications why dont we.

 Based on raiding and gear grinding, Check

Name me a theme park MMO that isn't based on this.

 Uses a WOW talent Tree, check.

 WOW combat system, check.

Hmm no auto attack, skills don't overdo each other (skills you get at level 1 are still viable at level 50) cover system, yeah i'm not seeing this point.

 Childike graphics, check.

Opinion and personally i don't see the comparision but whatever

Battlegrounds, check.

Battle grounds yeah, just like EQ2, WoW, and a slew of other theme park MMOs

WOW UI clone, check.

UI isn't finished besides what does it matter if they use the same UI, it works.  Much better then some other games like FF14.  Besides the chat system is in the upper left corner, that isn't in the same place as WoW

Holy Trinity CHECK

Yep you get two kinds trinity and skill based, so it's one or the other, basic mechanic of theme park games.  Though you didn't elobrate that it's a soft trinity, as in just cause your a bounty hunter doesn't mean your a dps like wow does.  You can be a dps, healer or burst DPS. 

As a matter of fact its easier to show that it is a WOW clone than it is to prove that its not. Honestly anything more than the fact that it is Star Wars, has voiceover and and Fluff it might have is needed here. The only thing it can say it does that wow doesnt is all fluff thats totally meaningless.

While some features are similar, most of them are standards in MMOs and were done before WoW.  Believe it or not they do exist.

I don't know what to say about the others...other then read up some more.

I don't know if i call the cover system fluff, considering it's a pinical for some classes, thats like saying the sheild is useless to the paladin.

Branching story lines, again not fluff, people always complain that they have no choice that it's linear, yet when people get it, they aren't happy, go figure.

Fully voiced over (yes wow stared doing this, like they always do but it's not the entire game)

No auto attack (some see that as a mjaor feature of the game, guess you don't. oh well)

Quests that allow your choices to affect quests later down the road (interesting feature that adds to the game, not really fluff)

Mulitplayer dialog (i don't see that anywhere in wow and to some people not fluff)

Blocking physics (some might consider this fluff i give a point to detail, always important to me)

Space combat (like it or not, it's not in WoW)

Housing (yes wow doesn't have this and it's even mobile)

Unique crafting (it's timed based skilled base and companion based, not just skill based like in wow)

I guess you could chalk a few things up to WoW, but then you'd have to look at if wow did it themselves, as for the game itself, yes if WoW= theme park, it's a wow clone, and looking to be a dang good one,  otherwise it's just ToR, trying to force it to look like another game is too difficult with all the things this game does.