Somethings wrong you guys.

He said addressable market.

The NUMBERS of players are of absolutely ZERO importance for me, as long as the game lives and has some decent population. 12 millions, 2 millions... doesn't matter to me. I am no EA stockholder, I am a gamer. As such I only care if I like the game or not.

Originally posted by mm0wiggins

Originally posted by jackmcleod

I can't manipulate the Senate as a Jedi / I can't attack {planets/this NPC} at will as a Sith. OR The space game sucks. OR There is a lack of explorable areas.

I know can tell you I'm a Star Wars fanboi, and Star Wars with no politics, is not Star Wars. If you cannot become the Dark Lord of the Sith, you are not a Sith, that is not Star Wars. I know for sure I won't buy a Star Wars game that has nothing of the Star Wars ideology. If as Sith I cannot kill another Sith to display my power, why the hell would you bother playing Sith? If the Sith aren't Sith, why the hell are there Jedis?

This ^.  Thank you.   Too bad I'm probably the only one in this thread that will pay attention to the weight of this post.    People are eating this game up for almost no reason.    Other than the title  "Star Wars: The Old Republic" there's no resemblance to the Star Wars franchise in this game, from what we've seen so far.  Lightsabers and lightning coming out of one's fingertips don't encompass all that is Star Wars.   

I wonder how many of those 1.5 million beta applicants are actual star wars fans.  We will never know

Its very much star wars. There is much more to star wars than simply a sith killing another sith.

In red, So much for a star wars fanboi.

Originally posted by mm0wiggins

Originally posted by jackmcleod

I can't manipulate the Senate as a Jedi / I can't attack {planets/this NPC} at will as a Sith. OR The space game sucks. OR There is a lack of explorable areas.

I know can tell you I'm a Star Wars fanboi, and Star Wars with no politics, is not Star Wars. If you cannot become the Dark Lord of the Sith, you are not a Sith, that is not Star Wars. I know for sure I won't buy a Star Wars game that has nothing of the Star Wars ideology. If as Sith I cannot kill another Sith to display my power, why the hell would you bother playing Sith? If the Sith aren't Sith, why the hell are there Jedis?

This ^.  Thank you.   Too bad I'm probably the only one in this thread that will pay attention to the weight of this post.    People are eating this game up for almost no reason.    Other than the title  "Star Wars: The Old Republic" there's no resemblance to the Star Wars franchise in this game, from what we've seen so far.  Lightsabers and lightning coming out of one's fingertips don't encompass all that is Star Wars.   

I wonder how many of those 1.5 million beta applicants are actual star wars fans.  We will never know

You're not the only one and I'm also a Star Wars nut, have been since 1977, and I'm not at all interested in the game.  Quite frankly, I don't see any game doing the IP justice so it's not a failure I would pin to any developer or publisher's lapel.  What made Star Wars special is just not something I think can be easily captured.  At least no one has done it to date and I see no sign that BW is going to do it either.  At least they don't seem to be trying very hard.  Choosing the path of least resistance surely is not the way to go about doing it.

Really, it doesn't matter who helms the project, they just aren't going to get it.  BW certainly doesn't.  The shame is they have the resources to do it right, just not the vision.  But then again, who does?  Even Lucas failed when it came to reproducing his previous results -- and he missed way wide of the mark too.  Hard to expect more from a game developer.

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Originally posted by SaintViktor
 

Brown hopes that Star Wars: The Old Republic can gain a user base exceeding 12 million

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When AoC hit beta they had 700K beta players but after launch the game quickly dropped to 100K or so, same as Warhammer, it had 900K+ in beta and dropped to 150K or more after launch. 1.2 million beta applicants certainly does not mean it'll be 1.2 million subs after launch.

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by mm0wiggins

Originally posted by jackmcleod

I can't manipulate the Senate as a Jedi / I can't attack {planets/this NPC} at will as a Sith. OR The space game sucks. OR There is a lack of explorable areas.

I know can tell you I'm a Star Wars fanboi, and Star Wars with no politics, is not Star Wars. If you cannot become the Dark Lord of the Sith, you are not a Sith, that is not Star Wars. I know for sure I won't buy a Star Wars game that has nothing of the Star Wars ideology. If as Sith I cannot kill another Sith to display my power, why the hell would you bother playing Sith? If the Sith aren't Sith, why the hell are there Jedis?

This ^.  Thank you.   Too bad I'm probably the only one in this thread that will pay attention to the weight of this post.    People are eating this game up for almost no reason.    Other than the title  "Star Wars: The Old Republic" there's no resemblance to the Star Wars franchise in this game, from what we've seen so far.  Lightsabers and lightning coming out of one's fingertips don't encompass all that is Star Wars.   

I wonder how many of those 1.5 million beta applicants are actual star wars fans.  We will never know

You're not the only one and I'm also a Star Wars nut, have been since 1977, and I'm not at all interested in the game.  Quite frankly, I don't see any game doing the IP justice so it's not a failure I would pin to any developer or publisher's lapel.  What made Star Wars special is just not something I think can be easily captured.  At least no one has done it to date and I see no sign that BW is going to do it either.  At least they don't seem to be trying very hard.  Choosing the path of least resistance surely is not the way to go about doing it.

Really, it doesn't matter who helms the project, they just aren't going to get it.  BW certainly doesn't.  The shame is they have the resources to do it right, just not the vision.  But then again, who does?  Even Lucas failed when it came to reproducing his previous results -- and he missed way wide of the mark too.  Hard to expect more from a game developer.

So far many people that have tried the game say it feels very much like star wars. It is a hard feeling to capture but Bioware did it with KOTOR so there is no reason they cannot do it again with TOR. Of course watching videos will not create the feel, you'll have to play it in order to get that since its not a movie.

Originally posted by Unlight Even Lucas failed when it came to reproducing his previous results -- and he missed way wide of the mark too.  Hard to expect more from a game developer.

That I agree with.

I applied to beta test this game 2 years ago with 5 different email accounts and nothing yet.  No invite no nothing.

Just saying I am sure I am not the only one.

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Originally posted by MMO.Maverick
I love suits in the gaming business.
It's like being at the circus.
Every time a suit opens his mouth to spout something game related, I think 'hey, look, the clowns are coming in!'
 

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Agree 100%.

I came to the MMO genre to watch the Lions chasing the Tamer around the Rings, not to watch the Clowns.

SW:TOR will be big because it's new, because it's Jedi/Sith with Lightsabers, Because it's Sci Fi, and because it's NEW. It will make it's Elitist Investors a ton of cash off of us cattle. The Clowns already know this.

Hehehe..1.5 million beta applicants can be wrong, you know. :P

...nothing. Just felt like picking on EA's  statement.

Oh crap, I really hope he fails on the "get new people into mmo's." plan, that idea never works well. We still have pre and post wow player fueds. Seriously, would you want to be the new gut walking into that? It will be like the anabaptists poping up when the protestants and catholics were going at it in Europe. It was the only thing that both protestants and catholics agreed on, while they were unhappy with eachother, they damn sure were letting someone else into the fun and both sides jumped the anabaptists. It will be Old schoolers, Post WoWers, and ToR newbies, think of the flames and corpes man, think of it before it gets out of hand.

if there weren't star wars pegged all over it, I'd have to say it sounds more like Tobacco Online: Git 'Em Wile Der Yung.

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by jackmcleod

Who's making SW:TOR... EA

Not that it matters to your evident EA hatred, but last time I checked, SWTOR was being made by Bioware.

It'd be like saying 'WoW is made by Activision' while it's evident that it's made by Blizzard.

Or, babies are made by the doctor delivering it.

Well actually EA owns bioware, built the austin building, and had a hand in selecting the ToR team so they do have a hand in making ToR. Their money, their building, their say.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by jackmcleod

Who's making SW:TOR... EA

Not that it matters to your evident EA hatred, but last time I checked, SWTOR was being made by Bioware.

It'd be like saying 'WoW is made by Activision' while it's evident that it's made by Blizzard.

Or, babies are made by the doctor delivering it.

That is a great analogy at the end..

If the doctor paid 860 million dollars and change for the baby.  Had share holders clamoring for the baby to be delivered by a certain date whether it was full term or not.   Ya then it would be relevant...

Originally posted by Antarious

That is a great analogy at the end..

 

If the doctor paid 860 million dollars and change for the baby.  Had share holders clamoring for the baby to be delivered by a certain date whether it was full term or not.   Ya then it would be relevant...

Wrong example too. The shareholders and the doctor still wouldn't be responsible for creating/'making' the baby.

Well, i applied before i even knew what the game looked like or the mechanics were like, so yeah. Think some, not many but soem did. I am a huge star wars fan, that probs why

Rift had 1 million forum subscribers... now SWTOR has 1.5 million beta apps.... it's nice to see good games getting big followings.  It will help encourage other devs to step it up.

Originally posted by Jimmy562

People have twisted the words of the CFO here, pretty badly as well.

It's the first chance they've had in awhile to bash the game.  ;)

CFO's have an easy enough time twisting their own words to make it sound like they know something about anything.