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  Feble

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Joined: 12/17/08
Posts: 11

 
OP  3/13/11 11:49:08 AM#1

 

Anyone else got shafted?  Went on to play and I was naked as a jay bird.  I am baffled on how.  I never received any personal mail from Trion that might have not been theirs and the fake in-game emails i always clicked on the email icon "report spam."  I my personal opinion on this is that World of Warcraft went through some ruff times on this crap and came out successful with the authenticating device.  My questions to you readers is this- Wouldn't you think from the past experiences of the other MMOs that Trion would had at least came out with a built in authentication thing?  I am sure its not to far away it Trion respects us as a value players. 
  bansan

Novice Member

Joined: 5/20/10
Posts: 371

3/13/11 11:53:35 AM#2

Huh, looks like a lot of people got hacked.

  Leethe

Novice Member

Joined: 3/12/09
Posts: 876

3/13/11 11:54:51 AM#3
Originally posted by Feble

 

Anyone else got shafted?  Went on to play and I was naked as a jay bird.  I am baffled on how.  I never received any personal mail from Trion that might have not been theirs and the fake in-game emails i always clicked on the email icon "report spam."  I my personal opinion on this is that World of Warcraft went through some ruff times on this crap and came out successful with the authenticating device.  My questions to you readers is this- Wouldn't you think from the past experiences of the other MMOs that Trion would had at least came out with a built in authentication thing?  I am sure its not to far away it Trion respects us as a value players. 

How did you manage to miss the Devs post about:

1. they know there's a problem.

2. They are taking countermeasures that will effect the source(s) of the problem.

3. They are designing/adapting and testing a new authenticator for players.

There is NO miracle patch.

95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.

Hope is not a stategy.
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  Feble

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Joined: 12/17/08
Posts: 11

 
OP  3/13/11 11:56:56 AM#4

There has been and according to Trion they are aware of the situation.  8)

  maji

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Joined: 1/15/04
Posts: 1856

3/13/11 11:59:42 AM#5

Assuming it's not just a bug that wipes the character clean, but actually someone having those guys account information: I'm wondering how they could acquire them. Are those keyloggers found on so many websites? Do the people give their account data to everyone? Or is some Rift website sending out addons, that claim to make you level 10 times as fast, and everyone is installing that?

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  shakermaker0

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/25/09
Posts: 198

3/13/11 2:23:20 PM#6

Same thing happened to me, logged off in Stonefield, came back on a day later in the centre of the city naked with everything sold and taken. Some serious secruity issues.

  User Deleted
3/13/11 4:05:52 PM#7

Ain't this very sad that your playing game and some criminals hack your account, for some money realy realy sad these individuals.

  kwai

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/27/04
Posts: 843

In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

3/13/11 4:12:44 PM#8

And this is why i love my VPN, bank/military encryption, but then again if the security lies with Trion, then i guess its just a matter of time before i log in and find my lvl 50 naked n stripped, ofc i would demand everything reimbursed from Trion.

  Cantorage

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/10
Posts: 191

3/13/11 6:40:12 PM#9

Basically, to get "hacked" in an MMO you yourself are to blame and should follow the "idiot checklist."

 

You have:

-Registered on a "fansite" or Rift related non-Trion website with the same account info as you log in to the game with. (idiot)

-Downloaded a 3rd party Rift related program from a non-trusted source. For example, guild-made DPS parsers and such. (idiot)

-Ever bought gold from any gold selling service for any game (idiot)

-Someone knows both your character's name and server and real life identity. (not so idiotic, but it does happen that trust is misplaced.)

-Transmitted or received data from any web server hosted to fish your account info, like in step 1. (can't be helped sometimes except if you're really paranoid, which you should be)

-Used the same password for the guild website you joined. (idiot, use different passwords everywhere!)

 

I know, there are dozens of other reasons, but these are the most common. Xfire, MSN and Steam are also popular outlets for people with malicious intents to get your shit.

  kwai

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/27/04
Posts: 843

In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

3/13/11 6:46:41 PM#10
Originally posted by Mercantor

Basically, to get "hacked" in an MMO you yourself are to blame and should follow the "idiot checklist."

 

You have:

-Registered on a "fansite" or Rift related non-Trion website with the same account info as you log in to the game with. (idiot)

-Downloaded a 3rd party Rift related program from a non-trusted source. For example, guild-made DPS parsers and such. (idiot)

-Ever bought gold from any gold selling service for any game (idiot)

-Someone knows both your character's name and server and real life identity. (not so idiotic, but it does happen that trust is misplaced.)

-Transmitted or received data from any web server hosted to fish your account info, like in step 1. (can't be helped sometimes except if you're really paranoid, which you should be)

-Used the same password for the guild website you joined. (idiot, use different passwords everywhere!)

 

I know, there are dozens of other reasons, but these are the most common. Xfire, MSN and Steam are also popular outlets for people with malicious intents to get your shit.

 

Those are decent rules of a thumb to follow, but sometimes its also the company ( Trion ) who has some fuckedup security problems, because i know people that are just as paranoid as me kinda when it comes to encrypting their internet traffic and what not, i dont use the same username / password or email for alot of my accounts.

 

hell all my 4 eve online accounts have 4 different passwords, account names that dont mean jackshit except to my self , ofc they have never been compromised , and neither have my Rift.............yet, and lets hope it stays that way.

  Cantorage

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/13/10
Posts: 191

3/13/11 7:07:46 PM#11

I play Rift as of now, and although I don't think anyone will run into problems unless accidentally compromising themselves, Trion's security could be better. They used to have an Account name/ e-mail/ password system, but a few months ago removed the account name - now you log in using your e-mail. So as it stands, all someone needs to do to figure out your log in is to find out your password (if they know your e-mail)

 

And to be honest, just a password isn't good enough, as any password can be cracked, especially someone who knows a bit about you.

 

2 people in my guild got hacked so far, both of whom bought gold on WoW in the past. (And were hacked in WoW as well) - I just don't understand that level of stupidity, but oh well. Trion have been really good at restoring characters though with roll backs. I've seen many people get their stuff back from CSR's within 45 minutes of filing a ticket.

  lekiz

Novice Member

Joined: 5/06/04
Posts: 172

3/13/11 7:19:11 PM#12

Yeah, too bad you can't use special characters in your password. It would help.

  erictlewis

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/08/08
Posts: 3057

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

3/13/11 7:22:29 PM#13

Back during beta before beta 6 we could use special characters.  During beta 6 trion backed down whatever kind of authentication system they were using and it would not recognize special characters.  I was locked out of m account at that point as In order to change my password i needed to key in the original one.  That was a pain.  After trying to resolve that with their customer service I decided that was enough.

I'm just saying they did have a stronger authentication system. 

  Kalimni

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/27/09
Posts: 68

3/13/11 7:24:55 PM#14

After talking with some guildies that play, and looking at the posts on the forums, it looks like the common denominator is the Zam website. Most people are of the opinion that there is a keylogger or some such imbeded into an add on the site. IIRC, curse had a similar problem a few years ago.

 

And FYI, all the poeple I know that have been hacked have used all the usual tools to check for viruses and such and are coming up empty. One of our resident tech guys thinks the bug is keyed to the rift patcher, copies and sends your info, and then deletes it self.

  mindspat

Novice Member

Joined: 12/08/05
Posts: 1387

3/14/11 3:40:25 PM#15
Originally posted by Kalimni

After talking with some guildies that play, and looking at the posts on the forums, it looks like the common denominator is the Zam website. Most people are of the opinion that there is a keylogger or some such imbeded into an add on the site. IIRC, curse had a similar problem a few years ago.

 

And FYI, all the poeple I know that have been hacked have used all the usual tools to check for viruses and such and are coming up empty. One of our resident tech guys thinks the bug is keyed to the rift patcher, copies and sends your info, and then deletes it self.

 

It's sounding like the culprit. I use an alpha/numeric password of 12 digits including special characters and have NEVER done anything questionable yet my account was also "hacked" over the weekend. The *only* thing I had done, out of a check list of possiilities, was visit the website that was housing the character builder, think it's the Zam website; visited once about 2 weeks ago. Some people in my guild (all over 25 years of age and most commonly in their 30's and 40's) said they hadn't even gone to the Zam website and still had their accounts compromised.
  regentwill

Novice Member

Joined: 8/14/08
Posts: 15

3/14/11 3:49:00 PM#16

[quote]

You have:

-Registered on a "fansite" or Rift related non-Trion website with the same account info as you log in to the game with. (idiot)

-Downloaded a 3rd party Rift related program from a non-trusted source. For example, guild-made DPS parsers and such. (idiot)

-Ever bought gold from any gold selling service for any game (idiot)

-Someone knows both your character's name and server and real life identity. (not so idiotic, but it does happen that trust is misplaced.)

-Transmitted or received data from any web server hosted to fish your account info, like in step 1. (can't be helped sometimes except if you're really paranoid, which you should be)

-Used the same password for the guild website you joined. (idiot, use different passwords everywhere!) [/quote]

 

While these will help, saying the only way to get hacked is if you are an idiot is a blanket statement. It's simply not true.

It's not always the players fault. Giving away your information does make it your fault, that much I can agree with. However, I played World of Warcraft for almost six years authenticator free and I was never hacked. Not once. I only bought an authenticator for the Core hound and figured I might as well use it in the last few months.

Some time earlier this week on Rift I was hacked. After, what? Two weeks?

Let me tell you, my WoW character is a far better choice for hacking. But I was careful, I didn't do any of those previous things you mentioned. I bought a physical copy, never from online retailers or digital downloads.

I thinki it is safe to assume there is a problem. I understand they are working on it, and I appreciate it, but I do not appreciate being called an idiot.

  rhinok

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Joined: 2/01/07
Posts: 1813

3/14/11 3:50:05 PM#17
Originally posted by Mercantor

Basically, to get "hacked" in an MMO you yourself are to blame and should follow the "idiot checklist."

 

You have:

-Registered on a "fansite" or Rift related non-Trion website with the same account info as you log in to the game with. (idiot)

-Downloaded a 3rd party Rift related program from a non-trusted source. For example, guild-made DPS parsers and such. (idiot)

-Ever bought gold from any gold selling service for any game (idiot)

-Someone knows both your character's name and server and real life identity. (not so idiotic, but it does happen that trust is misplaced.)

-Transmitted or received data from any web server hosted to fish your account info, like in step 1. (can't be helped sometimes except if you're really paranoid, which you should be)

-Used the same password for the guild website you joined. (idiot, use different passwords everywhere!)

 

I know, there are dozens of other reasons, but these are the most common. Xfire, MSN and Steam are also popular outlets for people with malicious intents to get your shit.

While there are many ways a player can get "hacked" through his or her own fault, there are also ways that really aren't the player's fault.  As an example, digital photo frames that came with game stealing trojans installed (http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/15/insignia-photo-frame-virus-much-nastier-than-originally-thought/)

So, yes, players should be smart about securing their accounts, but it ain't always their fault.

~Ripper

  Barbarbar

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Joined: 4/12/10
Posts: 256

3/15/11 2:23:18 AM#18
Originally posted by Feble

 

Anyone else got shafted?  Went on to play and I was naked as a jay bird.  I am baffled on how.  I never received any personal mail from Trion that might have not been theirs and the fake in-game emails i always clicked on the email icon "report spam."  I my personal opinion on this is that World of Warcraft went through some ruff times on this crap and came out successful with the authenticating device.  My questions to you readers is this- Wouldn't you think from the past experiences of the other MMOs that Trion would had at least came out with a built in authentication thing?  I am sure its not to far away it Trion respects us as a value players. 

What you are doing here is basically telling everyone that you use the same password to your game as you do to some RIFT oriented forum.

Next time don't do this, and you won't go around being baffled by other peoples abuse of your naivity.

  Barbarbar

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Posts: 256

3/15/11 2:28:14 AM#19
Originally posted by Kalimni

After talking with some guildies that play, and looking at the posts on the forums, it looks like the common denominator is the Zam website. Most people are of the opinion that there is a keylogger or some such imbeded into an add on the site. IIRC, curse had a similar problem a few years ago.

 

And FYI, all the poeple I know that have been hacked have used all the usual tools to check for viruses and such and are coming up empty. One of our resident tech guys thinks the bug is keyed to the rift patcher, copies and sends your info, and then deletes it self.

You don't get it, they don't hack you, they hack the forum site. They gain access, and copy the whole userbase, the users email and their passwords to the forum. They leave without doing harm and forum admins prolly never knew they were there. Then they try and lock into RIFT with this information.

 

And all the people who use the same password for both forum and game will find their account stolen.

 

The least you have to do is make a special game password you use, even if it's just something simple like repeating the forum password twice, or adding 123 even.

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16414

3/15/11 5:53:03 AM#20
Originally posted by Feble

 

Anyone else got shafted?  Went on to play and I was naked as a jay bird.  I am baffled on how.  I never received any personal mail from Trion that might have not been theirs and the fake in-game emails i always clicked on the email icon "report spam."  I my personal opinion on this is that World of Warcraft went through some ruff times on this crap and came out successful with the authenticating device.  My questions to you readers is this- Wouldn't you think from the past experiences of the other MMOs that Trion would had at least came out with a built in authentication thing?  I am sure its not to far away it Trion respects us as a value players. 

Wow, that is fast. Usually it takes months after release before they start hijacking accounts.

My guess is that you have a keylogger or similar malware on your computer. 

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