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  MurlockDance

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3/11/11 4:41:38 AM#21

If that whole incident of the guy getting banned for posting a snarky comment on a board and then not being able to play a game he purchased is true, I certainly won't be buying either DA2 or SW:ToR. This is something I can't stand and I think that game companies are over-stepping the mark when they do things like this. Very disappointed to hear about this as a former Bioware fan and what people have been saying in general about DA2 makes me not want to play it. As it is, I thought DA:O was only an ok game.

Man, I wish they would simplify and go back to a more Baldur's Gate kind of approach or at the most complex, KotOR.

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  cinos

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3/11/11 4:52:00 AM#22
Originally posted by MurlockDance

If that whole incident of the guy getting banned for posting a snarky comment on a board and then not being able to play a game he purchased is true, I certainly won't be buying either DA2 or SW:ToR. This is something I can't stand and I think that game companies are over-stepping the mark when they do things like this. Very disappointed to hear about this as a former Bioware fan and what people have been saying in general about DA2 makes me not want to play it. As it is, I thought DA:O was only an ok game.

Man, I wish they would simplify and go back to a more Baldur's Gate kind of approach or at the most complex, KotOR.

The last post is from a Bioware mod quoting T&Cs, basically saying 'get used to it', then closing the thread. So I'd imagine it is true.

Also: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6465725/1

This monster thread is currently dominating the forums over there. Even got some posts from Bioware (mods or employees, can't be sure). So yeah, it's most definitely true.

Sad, but not surprising considering it's EA pulling the strings.

  shantideva

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3/11/11 4:55:19 AM#23

To anyone who liked NWN and feels that DA2 is bit too kindergarden,

Drakensang: The river of time.

Good story, solid mechanics, decent looks, fun and challenging.

np.

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  ScalperOne

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3/11/11 6:17:08 AM#24

Drakensang, need to finish that one.

 

I played DA2 for about 30 minutes, feeling I got was that its arcady. Too bad, DA 1 was okay.

  fivoroth

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3/11/11 6:29:28 AM#25

I have played the game for only a couple of hours but so far I am loving it. The combat is so much more fun than in the first one. But I was never a fan of pause and give commands to your entire party type of combat. I hated that in the old classic RPGs and the only reason I played through the likes of BG1 and BG2 was because of how amazing the story and quests were and your companions. But I hated the combat. It is tedious and boring to give commands. I don't want my RPG to be strategic, I want it to be fast paced with visceral combat.

They are using tons of cutscenes and your character has a voice similar to Mass Effect. This is a feature I really liked in ME. So I am very pleased to see it in DAO.

I also hate item clutter. I don't want to see any vendor trash items in my games :) It just overfloods your inventory with stuff which I will end up selling anyway. This has been cleared up here in similar manner as was done in ME2 compared to ME.

DAO was an amazing game but I played on normal because I didn't want to put up with pause and give commands combat. I just wanted to play it like an action game. The story in DAO was amazing and the companions were amazing. Morrigan and Alistair are truly masterfully done characters. I loved them to bits. I am not sure exactly what the story in DA2 is at the moment and I don't particularly like any of the companions. We will see what happens but reading reviews about teh game I don't have my hopes up for really kewl companions :S

So I disagree with most of you ^_^

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  potapithikos

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3/11/11 8:12:31 AM#26

Bioware seem to think that Role Players want annoyingly frequent narrative, limited customization, recycled and linear enviroments, illusion of choice and have a permanent hard on for all their party members.

 

At least finally people are starting to realise ever since Kotor and if you want to be a bit more lenient Kotor2 (if you leave out the ending) Bioware's uber Storytelling is just a hoax really. Mass Effect's story might be passable but ME2 DAO+dlc DA2.... jesus... talk about generic, uninspired, cliche ridden borefests.

 

  fivoroth

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3/11/11 8:30:23 AM#27
Originally posted by potapithikos

Bioware seem to think that Role Players want annoyingly frequent narrative, limited customization, recycled and linear enviroments, illusion of choice and have a permanent hard on for all their party members.

 

At least finally people are starting to realise ever since Kotor and if you want to be a bit more lenient Kotor2 (if you leave out the ending) Bioware's uber Storytelling is just a hoax really. Mass Effect's story might be passable but ME2 DAO+dlc DA2.... jesus... talk about generic, uninspired, cliche ridden borefests.

 

It's not like their old RPGs were not also cliche ridden....it's not like 99.999999999999999999999999999% of the game are not cliche ridden. It's all about presentation and engrossing story.... Engrossing =/= creative this is what most people haven't started to realise yet!

Borefests....jesus....not for me, not at all. They are all super fun and enjoyable to play.

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  potapithikos

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3/11/11 8:49:04 AM#28
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by potapithikos

Bioware seem to think that Role Players want annoyingly frequent narrative, limited customization, recycled and linear enviroments, illusion of choice and have a permanent hard on for all their party members.

 

At least finally people are starting to realise ever since Kotor and if you want to be a bit more lenient Kotor2 (if you leave out the ending) Bioware's uber Storytelling is just a hoax really. Mass Effect's story might be passable but ME2 DAO+dlc DA2.... jesus... talk about generic, uninspired, cliche ridden borefests.

 

It's not like their old RPGs were not also cliche ridden....it's not like 99.999999999999999999999999999% of the game are not cliche ridden. It's all about presentation and engrossing story.... Engrossing =/= creative this is what most people haven't started to realise yet!

Borefests....jesus....not for me, not at all. They are all super fun and enjoyable to play.

The "all the other games are crap too" argument is silly and full of holes, don't go there honestly. I didn't say Bioware games are not as good as X,Y,V games. Just because the majority of videogames are crap doesn't mean mediocre games are super.

 

What you don't get is that a game can be engrossing without having an original plot. Their old RPGs might have not been original plot-wise, however the script, background, setting, progression coupled with the tried 'n tested mechanics of character customisation and party management and you had solid and engrossing ROLE PLAYING GAMES.

 

The Post KOTOR era.... meh.

  cinos

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3/11/11 9:00:57 AM#29
Originally posted by fivoroth

I have played the game for only a couple of hours but so far I am loving it. The combat is so much more fun than in the first one. But I was never a fan of pause and give commands to your entire party type of combat. I hated that in the old classic RPGs and the only reason I played through the likes of BG1 and BG2 was because of how amazing the story and quests were and your companions. But I hated the combat. It is tedious and boring to give commands. I don't want my RPG to be strategic, I want it to be fast paced with visceral combat.

They are using tons of cutscenes and your character has a voice similar to Mass Effect. This is a feature I really liked in ME. So I am very pleased to see it in DAO.

I also hate item clutter. I don't want to see any vendor trash items in my games :) It just overfloods your inventory with stuff which I will end up selling anyway. This has been cleared up here in similar manner as was done in ME2 compared to ME.

DAO was an amazing game but I played on normal because I didn't want to put up with pause and give commands combat. I just wanted to play it like an action game. The story in DAO was amazing and the companions were amazing. Morrigan and Alistair are truly masterfully done characters. I loved them to bits. I am not sure exactly what the story in DA2 is at the moment and I don't particularly like any of the companions. We will see what happens but reading reviews about teh game I don't have my hopes up for really kewl companions :S

So I disagree with most of you ^_^

Have to say the level of love for this game and the time playing it certainly seems to be related.

It seems that the first 10 hours or so are the most enjoyable, however past that you have pretty much seen everything (excepting storyline) that the game is going to throw at you.

This is just an observation after reading more opinions and reviews than I should ever need to for a Bioware game, but it certainly seems that:

0-10 hours = "Great, lovin it."

10-15 hours = "Still enjoying it but these things are starting to annoy."

15+ hours = "I wish I could leave this damn city!"

Even if this is wrong, it's still a shame that a Bioware title could be considered as anything less than amazing, but then I guess I was just hoping Sonic Chronicles was a fluke. :/

  blueturtle13

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3/11/11 9:01:37 AM#30
Originally posted by potapithikos
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by potapithikos

Bioware seem to think that Role Players want annoyingly frequent narrative, limited customization, recycled and linear enviroments, illusion of choice and have a permanent hard on for all their party members.

 

At least finally people are starting to realise ever since Kotor and if you want to be a bit more lenient Kotor2 (if you leave out the ending) Bioware's uber Storytelling is just a hoax really. Mass Effect's story might be passable but ME2 DAO+dlc DA2.... jesus... talk about generic, uninspired, cliche ridden borefests.

 

It's not like their old RPGs were not also cliche ridden....it's not like 99.999999999999999999999999999% of the game are not cliche ridden. It's all about presentation and engrossing story.... Engrossing =/= creative this is what most people haven't started to realise yet!

Borefests....jesus....not for me, not at all. They are all super fun and enjoyable to play.

The "all the other games are crap too" argument is silly and full of holes, don't go there honestly. I didn't say Bioware games are not as good as X,Y,V games. Just because the majority of videogames are crap doesn't mean mediocre games are super.

 

What you don't get is that a game can be engrossing without having an original plot. Their old RPGs might have not been original plot-wise, however the script, background, setting, progression coupled with the tried 'n tested mechanics of character customisation and party management and you had solid and engrossing ROLE PLAYING GAMES.

 

The Post KOTOR era.... meh.

 honestly a great story is not what Bioware has ever done well. Characters are what they do well. DA2 continues that trend. I have not liked a Bioware game since ME1 and before that NWN. I thought Jade Empire was the best story and the least cliched they have done. Having said that I think DA2 is a good step in the right direction for Bioware and their games. DA was a big let down for me. I am so far not liking DA2 either but I can see why so many people are fans. The characters in the game ( as in all their games) are well developed and nuanced.

  Kaijin2k3

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3/11/11 11:36:21 AM#31
Originally posted by potapithikos

Bioware seem to think that Role Players want annoyingly frequent narrative, limited customization, recycled and linear enviroments, illusion of choice and have a permanent hard on for all their party members.

 

At least finally people are starting to realise ever since Kotor and if you want to be a bit more lenient Kotor2 (if you leave out the ending) Bioware's uber Storytelling is just a hoax really. Mass Effect's story might be passable but ME2 DAO+dlc DA2.... jesus... talk about generic, uninspired, cliche ridden borefests.

 

You know, there are people on their boards applauding all the decisions, calling inventory and the like "playing dress up with elves."

Those of us that like the more staple features of RPGs are being given the boot in favor for those that just want more action and the story simply told to them.

Wether you want to call those people role players or not, is up to you. I know that I've given this style an honest chance, but so far I'm not really liking it, and can't honestly see myself buying any other RPG done in this fashion outside of just finishing the Mass Effect series.

  Eerazer

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Wat?

3/11/11 11:42:03 AM#32

Alright buds, let me throw in my 2 cents. I have the game on 360.

I completed 20 hours over the past week. on the 360. ---  Today I receieved the game on PC

 

And running that shit in DX 11 at High spec is "ANOTHER WORLD" compared to shitty xbox.  trust me. its not just the visuals, its the combat system,. everything is different.

 

the PC ver to me? is a 9.5/10. the Xbox or console ver is only an 8/10.

 

and i beleve this to be correct.

 

<3

  shakermaker0

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3/11/11 9:07:46 PM#33

Another two cents being thrown in:

 

As my PC was broke, and unfortunatley so was I, the PS3 was the platform I played the original game on. Playing Dragon Age 2 on the PC is a huge step-up in just the way it controls, the UI, graphics, need I go on? As for the game itself; for me it is another Bioware title, a great sprawling RPG with depth, great storytelling, and in all something to really sink your teeth into.

 

I do feel the hints of console to the game and it is undoubtedly 'simplified' and I don't know if this a nod to Mass Effect or simply because the market wasn't crying out for a spirtual succesor to Baldur's Gate like EA was hoping for. In all, it's unfair to call this game bad or a let down because it's still a damn good game and better than any RPG offering this side of The Witcher 2. 

 

My major gripe with the game itself is not so much the simplified choices etc, but the quests themselves. Sometimes it feels like you're thrown into a conversion at the mid-point and before you know it you have commited an act without really understanding what is going on. There are so many side-quests and little missions to do but I do feel the polish of BioWare has somewhat slipped in this area. Is this because of the sheer volume on offer? The fact that BIoWare are developed 3 titles concurrently? Maybe because the game had a relatively short development cycle? Who knows.

 

For the 10 hours that I have played it has satisfied the hunger I felt after the finished the first game and it's another entertaining effort from BioWare. Is it as good as the first? Probably not, that was refinement, improvement, and a nostalgic game - something pretty special that you can only feel once every half-decade or so. Also the Origin stories themselves are missed, but hey, 9/10 for me.

  jonesing22

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3/11/11 9:11:30 PM#34
Originally posted by artemisentr4
Originally posted by alderdale

My understanding is that they made it "simpler" more "Streamlined" you know to get you closer to the action sooner without all those annoying things that add "depth".

 You mean like a themepark with a fast pass to skip the lines? I have no problem with not having to run for hours to get to the action in a action RPG. The amount of cutscenes and dialogue make up for the lack of wasted time running around IMO.

As for TOR, it will be a different experience all toghether. Except for the dialogue and cutscenes ofc.

No....I thin he means a them park where you go and leave without riding any of the rides.

  tazarconan

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3/11/11 9:26:36 PM#35

I heard several complains from players that played DA2 that its more console like oriented than the old time style pc rpg's is that true?

I also heard that they made the combat plain dull so tactical factor=zero and just need to spam attacks as fst as possible..is that true also?

Also can u freely adventure in forests or mountains without doing quests? aka morrowind or oblivion?

Also is that truw that u can't equip armous and stuff your party companions?

Also can a party member DIE during combat or they made it so party mates just feint and after battle they get up like they screwed up nwn2? (in baldur's gate series party members could die adding laods to immersion and thrill into battles for obvious reasons).

If they above things i mention are true we are dealing here with another rpg made for 8-14 years old ,or palyers that learned what role playing games is throguh playstation ,and i wont bother to even try it.

  Golelorn

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Posts: 1028

3/11/11 9:35:16 PM#36

I'm pretty disappointed. The game is extremely linear and holds no challenge. Quest are clearly labled, and arrows even tell you where to go. I don't just mean they tell you where a quest giver is, an arrow actually points to where the boss/item that you need is.

In addition, I've actually watched the movie clips more than I've played.

For 54.99, plus the inevitable "cash shop" addons this is unacceptable. BioWare has clearly sold out.

This game has 1/10th the depth of DA.

This product has caused me to stop buying BioWare games based off faith alone.

The game would be OK as an expansion to DA for 19.99, but for a stand-alone game that runs over 50 dollars its a big rip-off.

I now know exactly where SWTOR is headed; EZMODE.

  erebus890

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Posts: 46

3/11/11 9:36:30 PM#37

It's been confirmed already, from the music composer that EA wanted to rush BioWare to make DA2.

 

Here's the quote:

"Unlike other titles from Bioware, this [score] was kind of a rush job", he tells IGN. "EA really wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins, so the game was really being pushed hard to be released now."

 

http://ca.kotaku.com/5780870/ever-wonder-why-dragon-age-ii-came-out-so-soon

 

That said, I believe DA2 is really fun game, it's no where near as large as what DA:O was, but I'm enjoying the game nonetheless. The story and characters are really good, like what you would expect from a typical BioWare release, the game play feels a lot better, IMO, but one of the major flaws of the game would have to be the recycled content. When playing DA2, expect to see a lot of the same dungeons and areas. It'll get repetitive.

  Golelorn

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3/11/11 9:42:54 PM#38
Originally posted by tazarconan

I heard several complains from players that played DA2 that its more console like oriented than the old time style pc rpg's is that true? I didn't get this feeling.

I also heard that they made the combat plain dull so tactical factor=zero and just need to spam attacks as fst as possible..is that true also? Combat is so simple my cat could do it. I've never even come close to dying.

Also can u freely adventure in forests or mountains without doing quests? aka morrowind or oblivion? No. There are no free roaming areas. Its all paths that you can't stray from. Some of the areas are tiny.

Also is that truw that u can't equip armous and stuff your party companions? The game even says your party members will equip themselves, but I found this is not the case. I equip them with gear. Not sure why there is a discrepancy.

Also can a party member DIE during combat or they made it so party mates just feint and after battle they get up like they screwed up nwn2? (in baldur's gate series party members could die adding laods to immersion and thrill into battles for obvious reasons). No idea. You'd have to be braindead to die in this game.

If they above things i mention are true we are dealing here with another rpg made for 8-14 years old ,or palyers that learned what role playing games is throguh playstation ,and i wont bother to even try it. You're insulting 8-14 year olds. I started playing Gold Box SSI when I was 8. Pool of Radiance, and the rest of the series. Its not the kids fault.They can only play what is out there.

  MurlockDance

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Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1065

3/12/11 3:57:56 AM#39
Originally posted by cinos

The last post is from a Bioware mod quoting T&Cs, basically saying 'get used to it', then closing the thread. So I'd imagine it is true.

Also: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6465725/1

This monster thread is currently dominating the forums over there. Even got some posts from Bioware (mods or employees, can't be sure). So yeah, it's most definitely true.

Sad, but not surprising considering it's EA pulling the strings.

Oh jeez, that's really bad. Guess Bioware will be on the boycott list now. I never thought I'd see this day...

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  MurlockDance

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3/12/11 4:01:57 AM#40
Originally posted by shantideva

To anyone who liked NWN and feels that DA2 is bit too kindergarden,

Drakensang: The river of time.

Good story, solid mechanics, decent looks, fun and challenging.

np.

I looked at that game on amazon but didn't buy it. I couldn't get information if it would run on a gaming laptop which is what I'm constrained to at the moment. Do you think it can? If so I will pick it up.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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