Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

If i were a german living in Germany in the 1930's i would have embraced Hitler.

 

Ok, first you said the Palestinians have to fight until the Jews, I mean Zionists, are gone, and now you say you'd embrace Hitler who killed 6 million Jews.

You gotta realize that doesn't sound good.

 

I was answering a hypothetical question. Did the genocide start in 1930? did i say i would have embraced him for a genocide he neither started nor announced? (and at that time didn't even plan on doing) I would have embraced him because he brought the average german out of misery, as , hypothetically, an average german not embracing him would be beyond retarded.

 

You don't jump out of the frying pan, and into the fire.

That's like embracing the Ayatollah to get rid fo the Shah of Iran, cutting your nose off to spite your face. There were people in Germany that knew this to be the case, and worked against Hitlers agenda, because as much misery as they were in, they knew embracing the devil was not the way out.

There have always opponents and supporters for factions however Hitler was looked upon as a hero by a vaste majority of the germans. And the average german didn't always foresee the misery he would bring upon certain  groups. He never announced his Genocide.

You don't get out of misery, by supporting the person that brings misery to the entire planet and kills 6 million Jews. Hitler did. Learn your history, he restored the german economy and gave prosperity to the previously devasted german population. You can put your head in the sand all you want but he did do good for the average non jewish german.

Frankly, I don't think your statements are mistakes, considering your opinions on the Jews.

 

Mistakes? i did not make mistakes i said what i said. Your history knowledge is simply extremely bad and you seem to have 0 ability to look at things from other perspectives than your own narrowminded one. But that's not bad if it makes you sleep at night. I just hope you are never asked to take any decisions that would require you to be able to do that. Heck you'd make a horrible judge.

EDIT: red comments.

 

If you support Hitler, obviously you don't care much for liberal democracy.

You're doing it wrong: i don't support him. I would have most likely supported him due to the socio-economic situation. And you act exactly the same way, you only support liberal democracy when it fits you. You were skeptic about the revolutions in the middle east because it could maybe lead to theocracies, well sorry but that's something liberal democracy doesn't take into account, you can't be in favor of revolutions against totalitarian regimes only when it suites you. And the patriot act is as liberal democratic as my ass, as was the war in Iraq, yet you support them. You like to believe you're better than me but you're not. The simple fact that you support unliberal democratic things because from your perspective it seems right but can't imagine people doing it for different reasons just shows you're narrow minded.

I'll stick with freedom and liberty.

But you don't.

Originally posted by xpowderx

Al Qaida has been gaining ground with recruitment over the past 6 months. The latest recruit is Osama Bin Ladens half brother(Litterally)! Bini Laden

I don't agree with your flawed logic. But, xpowerderx, that post is epic win. Everything else in the topic seems insignificant after focusing and laughing at this. Nice distraction.

With no further ado, the next post is a presentation of the abnormal display of a markup laguange (and yes, I have been drinking):

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<p><b><b><b><b><b><b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">If i were a german living in Germany in the </span></b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><strong>1930's i would have embraced Hitler.</strong></span></b></b></b></b></b></p>
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<p><b><b><b><b><span style="color: rgb(0, 255, 0);"><b><strong>Ok, first you said the Palestinians have to fight until the Jews, I mean Zionists, are gone, and now you say you'd embrace Hitler who killed 6 million Jews. </strong></b></span></b></b></b></b></p>
<p><b><b><b><b><span style="color: rgb(0, 255, 0);"><b><strong>You gotta realize that doesn't sound good. </strong></b></span></b></b></b></b></p>
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<p><b><b><b>I was answering a hypothetical question. Did the genocide start in 1930? did i say i would have embraced him for a genocide he neither started nor announced? (and at that time didn't even plan on doing) I would have embraced him because he brought the average german out of misery, as , hypothetically, an average german not embracing him would be beyond retarded.</b></b></b></p>
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<p><b><b>You don't jump out of the frying pan, and into the fire.</b></b></p>
<p><b><b>That's like embracing the Ayatollah to get rid fo the Shah of Iran, cutting your nose off to spite your face. There were people in Germany that knew this to be the case, and worked against Hitlers agenda, because as much misery as they were in, they knew embracing the devil was not the way out.</b></b></p>
<p><b><b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">There have always opponents and supporters for factions however Hitler was looked upon as a hero by a vaste majority of the germans. And the average german didn't always foresee the misery he would bring upon certain  groups. He never announced his Genocide. </span></b></b></p>
<p><b><b>You don't get out of misery, by supporting the person that brings misery to the entire planet and kills 6 million Jews. <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Hitler did. Learn your history, he restored the german economy and gave prosperity to the previously devasted german population. You can put your head in the sand all you want but he did do good for the average non jewish german.</span></b></b></p>
<p><b><b>Frankly, I don't think your statements are mistakes, considering your opinions on the Jews.</b></b></p>
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<p><b>Mistakes? i did not make mistakes i said what i said. Your history knowledge is simply extremely bad and you seem to have 0 ability to look at things from other perspectives than your own narrowminded one. But that's not bad if it makes you sleep at night. I just hope you are never asked to take any decisions that would require you to be able to do that. Heck you'd make a horrible judge.</b></p>
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<p>If you support Hitler, obviously you don't care much for liberal democracy.</p>
<p>I'll stick with freedom and liberty.</p></b></blockquote>
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Frankly imhotep comes out a distant second best here i advise he reads up on the meaning of hypertheticall, i am of course assuming he is not deliberetly trying to twist things as a form of defence.

Oh so you know i also do not support Hitler Stalin etc. And while i dont give two shits for the Palastinians or israil i can see why they are so popular in the east.

Originally posted by generals3

And you act exactly the same way, you only support liberal democracy when it fits you. You were skeptic about the revolutions in the middle east because it could maybe lead to theocracies, well sorry but that's something liberal democracy doesn't take into account, you can't be in favor of revolutions against totalitarian regimes only when it suites you.

Yea, actually I support liberal democracy always.

A revolution, and a vote to install a Theocracy is NOT a liberal democracy, so it's not necessary I support it.

I don't support voting.

I support democracy with human rights, and rights for discrete and insular minorities.

You're saying I have to support anything people vote for.

People can vote to eat babies.

I wouldn't support just becuase there was a vote, and just because it was technically a "democracy".

It would lack a key component of any democracy I would support, which is HUMAN RIGHTS.

Theocracy =/= liberal democracy with human rights.

There is no need to support theocracy, whether or not it's voted in.

Liberal democracy DOES take this into account.

democracy, a "vote", can lead to a republic with human rights, OR it can lead to a Tyranny of the Majority.

I have never, and will never, support a Tyranny of the Majority, just because there was a vote.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

And you act exactly the same way, you only support liberal democracy when it fits you. You were skeptic about the revolutions in the middle east because it could maybe lead to theocracies, well sorry but that's something liberal democracy doesn't take into account, you can't be in favor of revolutions against totalitarian regimes only when it suites you.

 

Yea, actually I support liberal democracy always.

A revolution, and a vote to install a Theocracy is NOT a liberal democracy, so it's not necessary I support it.

I don't support voting.

I support democracy with human rights, and rights for discrete and insular minorities.

You're saying I have to support anything people vote for.

People can vote to eat babies.

I wouldn't support just becuase there was a vote, and just because it was technically a "democracy".

It would lack a key component of any democracy I would support, which is HUMAN RIGHTS.

Theocracy =/= liberal democracy with human rights.

There is no need to support theocracy, whether or not it's voted in.

Liberal democracy DOES take this into account.

democracy, a "vote", can lead to a republic with human rights, OR it can lead to a Tyranny of the Majority.

I have never, and will never, support a Tyranny of the Majority, just because there was a vote.

 

 

Exactly it can lead to both. Now in you're black and white world where liberal democracy = 1 and totalitarianism = 0 when a population goes into revolution against a dictatorship the outcome can either be 1 or 0 and unless you're 100% certain it won't end up as a liberal democracy you should show full and unconditional support to the revolution because the average of the possible outcomes > 0.

And i would like to see how you can justify the patriot act:

"Privacy is a fundamental human right recognized in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights and in many other international and regional treaties. Privacy underpins human dignity and other key values such as freedom of association and freedom of speech. It has become one of the most important human rights issues of the modern age. The publication of this report reflects the growing importance, diversity and complexity of this fundamental right."

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

And you act exactly the same way, you only support liberal democracy when it fits you. You were skeptic about the revolutions in the middle east because it could maybe lead to theocracies, well sorry but that's something liberal democracy doesn't take into account, you can't be in favor of revolutions against totalitarian regimes only when it suites you.

 

Yea, actually I support liberal democracy always.

A revolution, and a vote to install a Theocracy is NOT a liberal democracy, so it's not necessary I support it.

I don't support voting.

I support democracy with human rights, and rights for discrete and insular minorities.

You're saying I have to support anything people vote for.

People can vote to eat babies.

I wouldn't support just becuase there was a vote, and just because it was technically a "democracy".

It would lack a key component of any democracy I would support, which is HUMAN RIGHTS.

Theocracy =/= liberal democracy with human rights.

There is no need to support theocracy, whether or not it's voted in.

Liberal democracy DOES take this into account.

democracy, a "vote", can lead to a republic with human rights, OR it can lead to a Tyranny of the Majority.

I have never, and will never, support a Tyranny of the Majority, just because there was a vote.

 

 

Exactly it can lead to both. Now in you're black and white world where liberal democracy = 1 and totalitarianism = 0 when a population goes into revolution against a dictatorship the outcome can either be 1 or 0 and unless you're 100% certain it won't end up as a liberal democracy you should show full and unconditional support to the revolution because the average of the possible outcomes > 0.

And i would like to see how you can justify the patriot act:

"Privacy is a fundamental human right recognized in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights and in many other international and regional treaties. Privacy underpins human dignity and other key values such as freedom of association and freedom of speech. It has become one of the most important human rights issues of the modern age. The publication of this report reflects the growing importance, diversity and complexity of this fundamental right."

The Patriot Act was taken to the Supremes and denied cert. If you want to discuss the Patriot Act, make a topic about it.

IMO, the only valid way to discuss Constitutional issues, is with Supreme Court holdings.

As far as I can tell, what you posted is just mumbo jumbo from an internet petition.

I can make an internet petition and say anything I want.

I'ts my human right to get candy, and I'm not getting any! Sign here!

So?

Appealing to the UN?

The UN put the WORST human rights violators in charge of the Human Rights commission. They've had the oil for food scandal, and are made up of despots, dictators, and totalitarian regimes that stick up for one another.

If anything, appealing to the UN is automatic fail.

and what does the Patriot act have to do with Hamas beating women for not wearing  a Hijab?

the Patriot act means it's somehow ok to beat women for not wearing a Hijab?

Like if one guy mudred 2 people, you'd say, well, that's ok. Because that guy over there murdered 20 people!

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

And you act exactly the same way, you only support liberal democracy when it fits you. You were skeptic about the revolutions in the middle east because it could maybe lead to theocracies, well sorry but that's something liberal democracy doesn't take into account, you can't be in favor of revolutions against totalitarian regimes only when it suites you.

 

Yea, actually I support liberal democracy always.

A revolution, and a vote to install a Theocracy is NOT a liberal democracy, so it's not necessary I support it.

I don't support voting.

I support democracy with human rights, and rights for discrete and insular minorities.

You're saying I have to support anything people vote for.

People can vote to eat babies.

I wouldn't support just becuase there was a vote, and just because it was technically a "democracy".

It would lack a key component of any democracy I would support, which is HUMAN RIGHTS.

Theocracy =/= liberal democracy with human rights.

There is no need to support theocracy, whether or not it's voted in.

Liberal democracy DOES take this into account.

democracy, a "vote", can lead to a republic with human rights, OR it can lead to a Tyranny of the Majority.

I have never, and will never, support a Tyranny of the Majority, just because there was a vote.

 

 

Exactly it can lead to both. Now in you're black and white world where liberal democracy = 1 and totalitarianism = 0 when a population goes into revolution against a dictatorship the outcome can either be 1 or 0 and unless you're 100% certain it won't end up as a liberal democracy you should show full and unconditional support to the revolution because the average of the possible outcomes > 0.

And i would like to see how you can justify the patriot act:

"Privacy is a fundamental human right recognized in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights and in many other international and regional treaties. Privacy underpins human dignity and other key values such as freedom of association and freedom of speech. It has become one of the most important human rights issues of the modern age. The publication of this report reflects the growing importance, diversity and complexity of this fundamental right."

 

The Patriot Act was taken to the Supremes and denied cert. If you want to discuss the Patriot Act, make a topic about it.

IMO, the only valid way to discuss Constitutional issues, is with Supreme Court holdings.

As far as I can tell, what you posted is just mumbo jumbo from an internet petition.

I can make an internet petition and say anything I want.

I'ts my human right to get candy, and I'm not getting any! Sign here!

So?

Appealing to the UN?

The UN put the WORST human rights violators in charge of the Human Rights commission. They've had the oil for food scandal, and are made up of despots, dictators, and totalitarian regimes that stick up for one another.

If anything, appealing to the UN is automatic fail.

 

 

and what does the Patriot act have to do with Hamas beating women for not wearing  a Hijab?

the Patriot act means it's somehow ok to beat women for not wearing a Hijab?

 

 

Who the fuck was talking about constitunionality? we're talking about Human Rights. Or did you somehow become the one who decides what is humanely right and not? You support something which violates the human rights and yet claim you're a human right partisan. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

And you asked about the relevance well it is obvious:

The patriotic is a clear and undeniable breach to the human rights. Why do you support your government committing such a breach? Because you don't want terrorists to blow you up (unless i'm mistaking). You deem that sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for the , what you consider, "greater good".

Hamas commits clear and undeniable breaches to the human rights. Why do they support a government which commits such breaches? Because they don't want Israel to get away with how they fucked them. They deem the sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for what, they consider, the "greater good".

When will you stop being in favor of the Patriot act (most likely) ? When there is no more terrorist threat.

When will Palestine stop being in favor of Hamas? *please use your brains and answer this one*

Originally posted by generals3

And you asked about the relevance well it is obvious:

The patriotic is a clear and undeniable breach to the human rights. Why do you support your government committing such a breach? Because you don't want terrorists to blow you up (unless i'm mistaking). You deem that sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for the , what you consider, "greater good".

Hamas commits clear and undeniable breaches to the human rights. Why do they support a government which commits such breaches? Because they don't want Israel to get away with how they fucked them. They deem the sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for what, they consider, the "greater good".

When will you stop being in favor of the Patriot act (most likely) ? When there is no more terrorist threat.

When will Palestine stop being in favor of Hamas? *please use your brains and answer this one*

I disagree that the Patriot act is violating your human rights. There is a system in place under the Constitution to address this. Again, feel free to make a topi cabout the Patriot act.

What does that have to do with beating a woman for not wearing a Hijab?

Does the Patriot act make that behavior somehow ok?

Again, you're just saying I hate Jews, I mean "Zionists", so whatever Hamas does to it's people is ok as long as it lets them continue the war against Israel.

That's stupid, IMO.

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

No it isn't.

The "greater good" would be adopting liberal democracy, and joining the rest of us in the 21st century.

What's so awful about allowing freedom of religion?

How would you be harmed if people in Palestine could make their own choices about to run their lives, and how to worship?

How would you be harmed if women in Palestine has equal rights to men?

Somehow you think they need to abuse their people like this ot kill the Jews?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

And you asked about the relevance well it is obvious:

The patriotic is a clear and undeniable breach to the human rights. Why do you support your government committing such a breach? Because you don't want terrorists to blow you up (unless i'm mistaking). You deem that sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for the , what you consider, "greater good".

Hamas commits clear and undeniable breaches to the human rights. Why do they support a government which commits such breaches? Because they don't want Israel to get away with how they fucked them. They deem the sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for what, they consider, the "greater good".

When will you stop being in favor of the Patriot act (most likely) ? When there is no more terrorist threat.

When will Palestine stop being in favor of Hamas? *please use your brains and answer this one*

 

I disagree that the Patriot act is violating your human rights. There is a system in place under the Constitution to address this. Again, feel free to make a topi cabout the Patriot act.

So you're even worse than i thought. No one denies the right to privacy is a basic Human Right. You're the first one i ever saw claiming such a propestorous thing.

What does that have to do with beating a woman for not wearing a Hijab?

They are both breaches to human rights.

Does the Patriot act make that behavior somehow ok?

You clearly missed the point. I'm starting to think you're mentally challenged. I couldn't have made my point any clearer than i did.

Again, you're just saying I hate Jews, I mean "Zionists", so whatever Hamas does to it's people is ok as long as it lets them continue the war against Israel.

Quote. You're claiming i say things i didn't.

That's stupid, IMO.

It is but i never said that. Saying 3+1 = 5 is stupid. What relevance does such a comment have?

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

No it isn't.

Of course it isn't because you're being deliberately stupid. (well i hope its deliberate)

The "greater good" would be adopting liberal democracy, and joining the rest of us in the 21st century.

Yes and you clearly don't want them to. Otherwise you would actually try to fight the cause of Hamas.

"Having bad grades is wrong, you should have good grades" thats what you say. What i say : "Having bad grades is wrong, you don't study enough, you should study more" . You pinpoint the problem and claim it should magically disapear. I pinpoint the cause of the problem and claim we should fix the cause for the problem to go away.

What's so awful about allowing freedom of religion?

Nothing.

What's so good about allowing zionists to rape the palestinians?

How would you be harmed if people in Palestine could make their own choices about to run their lives, and how to worship?

I wouldn't.

How would you be harmed by not allowing the Zionists to rape the palestinians? I can ask stupid questions too.

How would you be harmed if women in Palestine has equal rights to men?

Somehow you think they need to abuse their people like this ot kill the Jews?

 I don't say they need. I actually want the conflict to be solved, you clearly don't. You want Zionist victory and hope that somehow the problem would fix itself. I'm sorry but usually you need to go at the root of a problem in order to fix it.

 

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

And you asked about the relevance well it is obvious:

The patriotic is a clear and undeniable breach to the human rights. Why do you support your government committing such a breach? Because you don't want terrorists to blow you up (unless i'm mistaking). You deem that sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for the , what you consider, "greater good".

Hamas commits clear and undeniable breaches to the human rights. Why do they support a government which commits such breaches? Because they don't want Israel to get away with how they fucked them. They deem the sacrifice of human rights a necessary sacrifice for what, they consider, the "greater good".

When will you stop being in favor of the Patriot act (most likely) ? When there is no more terrorist threat.

When will Palestine stop being in favor of Hamas? *please use your brains and answer this one*

 

I disagree that the Patriot act is violating your human rights. There is a system in place under the Constitution to address this. Again, feel free to make a topi cabout the Patriot act.

So you're even worse than i thought. No one denies the right to privacy is a basic Human Right. You're the first one i ever saw claiming such a propestorous thing.

What does that have to do with beating a woman for not wearing a Hijab?

They are both breaches to human rights.

Does the Patriot act make that behavior somehow ok?

You clearly missed the point. I'm starting to think you're mentally challenged. I couldn't have made my point any clearer than i did.

Again, you're just saying I hate Jews, I mean "Zionists", so whatever Hamas does to it's people is ok as long as it lets them continue the war against Israel.

Quote. You're claiming i say things i didn't.

That's stupid, IMO.

It is but i never said that. Saying 3+1 = 5 is stupid. What relevance does such a comment have?

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

No it isn't.

Of course it isn't because you're being deliberately stupid. (well i hope its deliberate)

The "greater good" would be adopting liberal democracy, and joining the rest of us in the 21st century.

Yes and you clearly don't want them to. Otherwise you would actually try to fight the cause of Hamas.

"Having bad grades is wrong, you should have good grades" thats what you say. What i say : "Having bad grades is wrong, you don't study enough, you should study more" . You pinpoint the problem and claim it should magically disapear. I pinpoint the cause of the problem and claim we should fix the cause for the problem to go away.

What's so awful about allowing freedom of religion?

Nothing.

What's so good about allowing zionists to rape the palestinians?

How would you be harmed if people in Palestine could make their own choices about to run their lives, and how to worship?

I wouldn't.

How would you be harmed by not allowing the Zionists to rape the palestinians? I can ask stupid questions too.

How would you be harmed if women in Palestine has equal rights to men?

Somehow you think they need to abuse their people like this ot kill the Jews?

 I don't say they need. I actually want the conflict to be solved, you clearly don't. You want Zionist victory and hope that somehow the problem would fix itself. I'm sorry but usually you need to go at the root of a problem in order to fix it.

 

Yes, I want a Zionist victory.

Because  I support freedom and liberal democracy.

A victory by Hamas means a win for Theocracy and Totalitarianism.

This is not what I want for the Palestinian people, or the world:

Having won the general election ..., Hamas launched a drive to “Islamicise” Gaza, forcing women to wear the hijab and men to grow beards. It burnt down the last beer factory in Gaza and banned the sale of alcoholic drinks. Bands of youths calling themselves “Brigades of Enforcing the Good and Combating Evil” raid homes in search of alcohol, Western music and videos, unIslamic T-shirts and other “sinful items”. Young men and women found together in public, or even in private cars, are stopped and interrogated to make sure unmarried couples do not violate Sharia rules.

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

 

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Bullshit. When Israel stole the land they didn't do it with liberal democracy and Palestine wasn't under oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Neither is yours to suddenly make all the Israel haters go *poof*.

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

 

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Bullshit. When Israel stole the land they didn't do it with liberal democracy and Palestine wasn't under oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Neither is yours to suddenly make all the Israel haters go *poof*.

Reality is on my side.

The goal of pushing the Jews into the sea leaves the Palestinians in misery and poverty.

Meanwhile, Israel is a prosperouos nation with a free liberal democracy.

I'm sorry your goal of pushing the Jews into the sea is not acheiveable, and the oppresion of Hamas is not sustainable.

Freedom and liberal democracy leads to prosperty.

That prosperity leads to strength.

Oppression leads to poverty, adn that poverty leads to weakness.

The strategy of Hamas is fundamentally flawed because of this, and can never prevail. 

The only outcome possible, is Israel wins.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

 

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Bullshit. When Israel stole the land they didn't do it with liberal democracy and Palestine wasn't under oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Neither is yours to suddenly make all the Israel haters go *poof*.

 

Reality is on my side.

The goal of pushing the Jews into the sea leaves the Palestinians in misery and poverty.

Historical facts disagree. And facts > your propaganda.

Meanwhile, Israel is a prosperouos nation with a free liberal democracy.

Because they have always won. If the west supported Palestinians instead of Israel you can be sure the roles would have been reversed.

I'm sorry your goal of pushing the Jews into the sea is not acheiveable, and the oppresion of Hamas is not sustainable.

The oppression is sustainable as long as Israel exists.

Freedom and liberal democracy leads to prosperty.

Not always.

That prosperity leads to strength.

Oppression leads to poverty, adn that poverty leads to weakness.

Not always.

But that's still extremely irrelevant as it doesn't offer any solution.

Please stop with all the truly pointless comments.

The strategy of Hamas is fundamentally flawed because of this, and can never prevail. 

Sure they can. Israel prevailed under the banner of being assholes because we supported them. Assholes can win, it's just a matter of support.

The only outcome possible, is Israel wins.

As long as they get supported yes. You do realize your country sends billions in aid to make sure Israel is victorious? They ain't victorious because they are "awesome" they are because you help them.

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

 

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Bullshit. When Israel stole the land they didn't do it with liberal democracy and Palestine wasn't under oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Neither is yours to suddenly make all the Israel haters go *poof*.

 

Reality is on my side.

The goal of pushing the Jews into the sea leaves the Palestinians in misery and poverty.

Historical facts disagree. And facts > your propaganda.

Meanwhile, Israel is a prosperouos nation with a free liberal democracy.

Because they have always won. If the west supported Palestinians instead of Israel you can be sure the roles would have been reversed.

I'm sorry your goal of pushing the Jews into the sea is not acheiveable, and the oppresion of Hamas is not sustainable.

The oppression is sustainable as long as Israel exists.

Freedom and liberal democracy leads to prosperty.

Not always.

That prosperity leads to strength.

Oppression leads to poverty, adn that poverty leads to weakness.

Not always.

But that's still extremely irrelevant as it doesn't offer any solution.

Please stop with all the truly pointless comments.

The strategy of Hamas is fundamentally flawed because of this, and can never prevail. 

Sure they can. Israel prevailed under the banner of being assholes because we supported them. Assholes can win, it's just a matter of support.

The only outcome possible, is Israel wins.

As long as they get supported yes. You do realize your country sends billions in aid to make sure Israel is victorious? They ain't victorious because they are "awesome" they are because you help them.

Yes, of course we support Israel. We support free and liberal democracies.

I tell my congressmen to support Israel, because they are a free and liberal democracy.

If Palestine was a free and liberal democracy, I would tell my congressmen to support Palestine as well.

Another reason Hamas cannot win.

Can they really prevail in driving the Jews into the sea, when Israel has the support of America?

Of course not.

Surrender.

You are beaten.

all religion produces evil.  Having a large group of people that don't believe in logic is a reciepe for trouble.. I only hope they'll kill each other off before they off the planet.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

 

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Bullshit. When Israel stole the land they didn't do it with liberal democracy and Palestine wasn't under oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Neither is yours to suddenly make all the Israel haters go *poof*.

 

Reality is on my side.

The goal of pushing the Jews into the sea leaves the Palestinians in misery and poverty.

Historical facts disagree. And facts > your propaganda.

Meanwhile, Israel is a prosperouos nation with a free liberal democracy.

Because they have always won. If the west supported Palestinians instead of Israel you can be sure the roles would have been reversed.

I'm sorry your goal of pushing the Jews into the sea is not acheiveable, and the oppresion of Hamas is not sustainable.

The oppression is sustainable as long as Israel exists.

Freedom and liberal democracy leads to prosperty.

Not always.

That prosperity leads to strength.

Oppression leads to poverty, adn that poverty leads to weakness.

Not always.

But that's still extremely irrelevant as it doesn't offer any solution.

Please stop with all the truly pointless comments.

The strategy of Hamas is fundamentally flawed because of this, and can never prevail. 

Sure they can. Israel prevailed under the banner of being assholes because we supported them. Assholes can win, it's just a matter of support.

The only outcome possible, is Israel wins.

As long as they get supported yes. You do realize your country sends billions in aid to make sure Israel is victorious? They ain't victorious because they are "awesome" they are because you help them.

 

Yes, of course we support Israel. We support free and liberal democracies.

I tell my congressmen to support Israel, because they are a free and liberal democracy.

If Palestine was a free and liberal democracy, I would tell my congressmen to support Palestine as well.

Another reason Hamas cannot win.

Can they really prevail in driving the Jews into the sea, when Israel has the support of America?

Of course not.

Surrender.

You are beaten.

Then why did the US topple Iran's "Free and Liberal Democracy"?  Didn't know that happen right? It's a love story of BP and oil but nevermind.  The US education system is so bad, I'm sure you can't read articles out of your normal ape like mind frame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

Do you realize how stupid you are? Don't answer, save some mystery of intelligences.

Originally posted by devacore

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

 

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Bullshit. When Israel stole the land they didn't do it with liberal democracy and Palestine wasn't under oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Neither is yours to suddenly make all the Israel haters go *poof*.

 

Reality is on my side.

The goal of pushing the Jews into the sea leaves the Palestinians in misery and poverty.

Historical facts disagree. And facts > your propaganda.

Meanwhile, Israel is a prosperouos nation with a free liberal democracy.

Because they have always won. If the west supported Palestinians instead of Israel you can be sure the roles would have been reversed.

I'm sorry your goal of pushing the Jews into the sea is not acheiveable, and the oppresion of Hamas is not sustainable.

The oppression is sustainable as long as Israel exists.

Freedom and liberal democracy leads to prosperty.

Not always.

That prosperity leads to strength.

Oppression leads to poverty, adn that poverty leads to weakness.

Not always.

But that's still extremely irrelevant as it doesn't offer any solution.

Please stop with all the truly pointless comments.

The strategy of Hamas is fundamentally flawed because of this, and can never prevail. 

Sure they can. Israel prevailed under the banner of being assholes because we supported them. Assholes can win, it's just a matter of support.

The only outcome possible, is Israel wins.

As long as they get supported yes. You do realize your country sends billions in aid to make sure Israel is victorious? They ain't victorious because they are "awesome" they are because you help them.

 

Yes, of course we support Israel. We support free and liberal democracies.

I tell my congressmen to support Israel, because they are a free and liberal democracy.

If Palestine was a free and liberal democracy, I would tell my congressmen to support Palestine as well.

Another reason Hamas cannot win.

Can they really prevail in driving the Jews into the sea, when Israel has the support of America?

Of course not.

Surrender.

You are beaten.

Then why did the US topple Iran's "Free and Liberal Democracy"?  Didn't know that happen right? It's a love story of BP and oil but nevermind.  The US education system is so bad, I'm sure you can't read articles out of your normal ape like mind frame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

Do you realize how stupid you are? Don't answer, save some mystery of intelligences.

Simple. It was not a liberal democracy.

A Secular Muslim himself, the Shah gradually lost support from the Shi'a clergy of Iran, particularly due to his strong policy of modernization, secularization and conflict with the traditional class of merchants known as bazaari, and recognition of Israel. Clashes with the Islamists, increased communist activity and a 1953 period of political disagreements with Mohammad Mosaddegh – eventually leading to Mosaddeq's ousting – caused the Shah's opponents to disagree and overthrow his rule.

Why did radical Muslims overthrow the Shah?

Because he was trying securlarize the country, and lead it into modernity.

Radical Islam is what you have a gripe with, not the US.

It's not like the Shah was overthrown for a liberal democracy.

The Shah was overthrown to install a Theocracy.

Mohammad Mosaddegh was democratically elected. So was Hitler. I"m not saying Mosaddegh was a bad guy like Hitler, just making a poin that a liberal democracy requires much more than an election.

An election does not make a liberal democracy.

The Oil was nationalized, and that was supported by a Communist party:

"Another force for nationalization was the Tudeh or Communist party."

You may remember at the time the USSR was still alive nad kicking, and Communism was opposed everywere possible.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by devacore

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by generals3

The "greater good" is killing the Jews?

The greater good is to take back what was theirs.

 

The land no longer belongs to Palestinians. They are defeated.

Capitalism and liberal democracy has proven stronger than oppression and Theocracy.

Bullshit. When Israel stole the land they didn't do it with liberal democracy and Palestine wasn't under oppression and Theocracy.

Accept it, and rebuild a prosperous Palestine. 

Your dream of pushing all the Jews into the sea is not going to happen.

Neither is yours to suddenly make all the Israel haters go *poof*.

 

Reality is on my side.

The goal of pushing the Jews into the sea leaves the Palestinians in misery and poverty.

Historical facts disagree. And facts > your propaganda.

Meanwhile, Israel is a prosperouos nation with a free liberal democracy.

Because they have always won. If the west supported Palestinians instead of Israel you can be sure the roles would have been reversed.

I'm sorry your goal of pushing the Jews into the sea is not acheiveable, and the oppresion of Hamas is not sustainable.

The oppression is sustainable as long as Israel exists.

Freedom and liberal democracy leads to prosperty.

Not always.

That prosperity leads to strength.

Oppression leads to poverty, adn that poverty leads to weakness.

Not always.

But that's still extremely irrelevant as it doesn't offer any solution.

Please stop with all the truly pointless comments.

The strategy of Hamas is fundamentally flawed because of this, and can never prevail. 

Sure they can. Israel prevailed under the banner of being assholes because we supported them. Assholes can win, it's just a matter of support.

The only outcome possible, is Israel wins.

As long as they get supported yes. You do realize your country sends billions in aid to make sure Israel is victorious? They ain't victorious because they are "awesome" they are because you help them.

 

Yes, of course we support Israel. We support free and liberal democracies.

I tell my congressmen to support Israel, because they are a free and liberal democracy.

If Palestine was a free and liberal democracy, I would tell my congressmen to support Palestine as well.

Another reason Hamas cannot win.

Can they really prevail in driving the Jews into the sea, when Israel has the support of America?

Of course not.

Surrender.

You are beaten.

Then why did the US topple Iran's "Free and Liberal Democracy"?  Didn't know that happen right? It's a love story of BP and oil but nevermind.  The US education system is so bad, I'm sure you can't read articles out of your normal ape like mind frame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

Do you realize how stupid you are? Don't answer, save some mystery of intelligences.

Simple. It was not a liberal democracy.

A Secular Muslim himself, the Shah gradually lost support from the Shi'a clergy of Iran, particularly due to his strong policy of modernization, secularization and conflict with the traditional class of merchants known as bazaari, and recognition of Israel. Clashes with the Islamists, increased communist activity and a 1953 period of political disagreements with Mohammad Mosaddegh – eventually leading to Mosaddeq's ousting – caused the Shah's opponents to disagree and overthrow his rule.

 

Why did radical Muslims overthrow the Shah?

Because he was trying securlarize the country, and lead it into modernity.

Radical Islam is what you have a gripe with, not the US.

It's not like the Shah was overthrown for a liberal democracy.

The Shah was overthrown to install a Theocracy.

Mohammad Mosaddegh was democratically elected. So was Hitler. I"m not saying Mosaddegh was a bad guy like Hitler, just making a poin that a liberal democracy requires much more than an election.

An election does not make a liberal democracy.

 

The Oil was nationalized, and that was supported by a Communist party:

 

"Another force for nationalization was the Tudeh or Communist party."

 

You may remember at the time the USSR was still alive nad kicking, and Communism was opposed everywere possible.

You really don't know do you.  Maybe gov spam bot? on mmorpg site? that would be over the top. /shrug.