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General Discussion  » Hearing all the Good, what about Bad?

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OP  2/24/11 6:50:14 PM#1

Serious post.  I've looked through quite a few pages of the "Comparison Thread" and eventually hit the "TL:DR" stage.  From the sounds of it Rift has a lot of good stuff going for it, but aside from the "it's a WoW-clone" and "no mods for interface" comments what exactly is there to not like about Rift?


Still on the fence about grabbing Rift, and the last two games I purchased (DCUO & Xsyon) didn't "wow" me (no pun intended).  I'd hate to add a third one to that list in as many months.


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2/24/11 6:52:07 PM#2

Seeing as I don't know what "WoW"s you, I couldn't tell you if this would.  I don't think it will wow you personally.

There are plenty of threads on this forum screaming the bad things (past the clone and such).


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2/24/11 6:56:36 PM#3

Bad? Go to any video game forum. Hear more crap spewed than information that's worth your time.

Just wait and play a game trial. Lot easier with a hands on experience then someone spewing "THIZ GAMEZ SUCKX CAUZE ITZ WOW CLONE AND DOESNTT HAZ DX11 GRAPHICXZ!!!1"

When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?


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2/24/11 6:59:02 PM#4

Only major issue for me was the fact how atleast defiant zone was way too full of content. And quite a lot lower enemies could stop you...


Also, there was zone borders...


This under beta-experiecne.

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2/24/11 6:59:25 PM#5

Right now it's the long queue times. If you don't care about which server you end up on, you can probably get in pretty quick, but if you have a particular server picked out for everyone in your group, you're kind of boned right now.

If you have your heart set on a new sandbox, then Rift isn't for you. If you're good with the whole Themepark thing, then Rift will probably be the thing for you.

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2/24/11 7:03:33 PM#6

Its success means playing today is going to be painful.  But tomorrow onward will be fine.  The only real bad is I think some people are going to fixate on being able to use three souls and forget that using 1 or 2 is also fine ;)  Ie originally I was going to be reaver/paly/warlord but now just slot paly/warlord with void at 0 points.


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OP  2/24/11 7:08:56 PM#7

Well, started with EQ1 on Tallon Zek, played that for a year before switching over to DAoC.  Loved the RvR (was never great at it) and its three-sided conflict (damn Hibs).  Really liked WoW in the beginning before the BGs.  I did like WAR, but the PvP felt kinda pointless with the instancing.  Enjoyed Darkfall, but eventually got burned out on the grind and the broken siege mechanics (among other things).  Loved SWG (especially the crafting and housing), but the NGE killed it for me -- CU was at least bareable.


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2/24/11 7:12:12 PM#8

If you weren't sold by the open beta, wait til' they offer a trial.  If you didn't TRY the open beta, you're obviously not in a hurry, so my suggestion still stands.

IMO:  Not a bad game by any means, and the most solid since LotRO.  But that's not enough reason, also IMO, to buy a game.  I don't devote hours of my time on "not a bad game".


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Played: Shadowbane, WoW, WAR, AOC, Aion, SWTOR, Rift, Tera, Neverwinter, FFXIV

2/24/11 7:13:23 PM#9
  • Graphics could be better (they are still good though).
  • Character customization is limited. Few hairstyles, few sliders, few races.
  • Rifts and invasions may disrupt your questing/gathering. (Some dislike it, not for everyone)
  • Quests could be written better, according to some folks.
  • Mob AIs could be better. They don't flee, they don't gang up ect..
  • Soundtrack could use some work.
Note that I bought the game and I'm subbing. Those are the most insightful critics I've read and I consider them valid.

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OP  2/24/11 7:14:23 PM#10

Thank you all for the replies.


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2/24/11 7:43:08 PM#11

I just found the game very dull overall. A lot of it is the WoW clone side of the game. The quests are really on rails, it is do 5 quests go turn them in do the next 5. The crafting was uninspired. The combat was a really basic GCD type system and was a bit clunky. The story wasn't interesting at all. The warfronts were not all that interesting. It was a very vanilla MMO with very little soul to it. The final straw though was I didn't find the rifts themselves very fun and they are really what the game needed to make it unique at all.

That doesn't mean it is a terrible game, everything was functional and more stable than most new MMOs. It just wasn't something that fit what I wanted.


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2/25/11 1:54:43 PM#12
Originally posted by Emhster
  • Graphics could be better (they are still good though).
  • Character customization is limited. Few hairstyles, few sliders, few races.
  • Rifts and invasions may disrupt your questing/gathering. (Some dislike it, not for everyone)
  • Quests could be written better, according to some folks.
  • Mob AIs could be better. They don't flee, they don't gang up ect..
  • Soundtrack could use some work.
Note that I bought the game and I'm subbing. Those are the most insightful critics I've read and I consider them valid.

You know, I actually thought that the soundtrack was fantastic.  But that's just me.


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2/25/11 1:59:52 PM#13
Originally posted by Goreignak

Serious post.  I've looked through quite a few pages of the "Comparison Thread" and eventually hit the "TL:DR" stage.  From the sounds of it Rift has a lot of good stuff going for it, but aside from the "it's a WoW-clone" and "no mods for interface" comments what exactly is there to not like about Rift?


Still on the fence about grabbing Rift, and the last two games I purchased (DCUO & Xsyon) didn't "wow" me (no pun intended).  I'd hate to add a third one to that list in as many months.

If the cost of a simple video game puts you on the fence then i'd say don't bother. The blast of a few days play on most things covers the cost of the Box so like most buy and try.

If you don't likey then you don't have to play ey.

If you do like it's a bonus and you can join us and have a blast'ey.

That way you will not be left asking what if and you cover all options.

But don't ask for opinion here they count for little; and generally you are a fool if you listen. It is all about you.

SWTOR and COS games that could deliver !!


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2/25/11 2:02:30 PM#14
  • graphics are so-so (animations are not that great, and the rest is between acceptable and good)
  • sound is so-so (music could be better, and the rest is pretty generic)
  • quests are boring (you get "kill x of y" quests from the start on)
  • only two start zones (ie, you have to go through the same content again and again)
  • pretty young target audience (no problem if you are young yourself, but like, when I checked the german Rift forums out of curiosity, I found for example no single post without spelling errors)
  • only 4 basic classes to start. Yes, you can customize them, but you will never need more than four characters
  • dungeon finder (that tool is horrible)
  • nothing new
  • linear
And I'm still pondering whether I should buy it. But I guess I won't.

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2/25/11 2:04:45 PM#15

Here is some criticism from someone that is NOT subbing:


1. The game requires more hardware than I would like to perform well.

2. The quests are linear.

3. The quests are only ample for a once through (if you repeat, you get tired of the quest line quickly).

4. The game does not really have any difficulty  or grouping until ~18-20

5. The game does do new things reasonably well... but is is evolutionary, not revolutionary.


Overally the game isnt bad. I do think that it has a lot of potential... in a year or two it might be a great game. However, I dont have any urge to play what they have now. Sure it would be fun the first time around, but I would burn through it quickly, and then be left with the 'now what' problem. I prefer to stick with what I am playing now, and revisit this once it has more depth.


I would expect this to have problems similar to AOC/WAR where there is a huge crowd of new players... that die off each month, leaving behind the core group of players which is much smaller. I dont consider this a 'bad' thing. I think that with the amount of BETA's that they had, no one should be 'surprised' or dissapointed. I just expect them to play through the game, then move on once the 'new game' feel is gone, and the content has been seen once through.


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2/25/11 2:16:07 PM#16

The pros of rift: It has enough content for most people and it does the content well. IE no major bugs that I saw during beta but I didnt go beyond level 20.

The cons of rift: There is nothing new except the soul system in rift. If you played warhammer/wow/game x y and z you have played rift in an earlier incarnation. IE the zones are the typical quest grind up. The warzones are what was in warhammer when you qued for scenario. The dungeon instance is the same old dungeon instance stuff with slightly different mobs and slightly different quests.

So nothing terribly new in rift just an amalgamation of good stuff from various games + the soul system. Yet the game was crafted very well with no major bugs and should be enough content to keep the average gamer going for multiple months provided they do not get bored with the sameness of this game to previous games.

If you are completely new to gaming Rift is a good choice as you wont be overwhelmed by the sameness of it all. If you are longtime verteran you will probably get bored within the first month. If you fall somewhere in between you might get 1 to 3 months out of the game before you get bored.

Being a long time veteran of the MMO space (I played text muds back in the early 90's, went to UO then to EQ and on from there) I quickly realised during beta that this game would not hold my attention for any length of time just due to the sameness of it over previous games I have played and for this reason I decided not to purchase the game.


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2/25/11 2:45:17 PM#17

Force Fed Rifts that are nothing more than boring Zergfests, that bog down the engine to a crawl is not my idea of fun. But the rest is decent.



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2/25/11 2:46:44 PM#18

the gameplay is boring as hell, at least soloing is.



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2/25/11 3:01:51 PM#19

I found the gameplay to be mostly boring "same ol' same ol'."  The rifts can be downright fucking annoying if you're in the middle of doing other things...say crafting or well...anything.  Dying is overly financially punitive. I don't care for the graphic style of the game when it comes to characters, although the world itself is lovely.


But most of all....after playing in all the beta weekends save the last two, I found I didn't really care about logging in. Granted, I only got to level 23, but the game lacked a feeling of excitement for me. I just couldn't work up the desire to play it. It felt a lot like Warhammer to me, and to be fair, I didn't like that game either. It felt stale to me. I know, I know....lots of people say just the opposite, but this is my own opinion. I thought the quests were drab. I loved the soul system.


I'm happy for the people that like RIFT and have chosen to play it, but it's just not a good match for me, personally. was the smoothest, least buggy beta experience I had ever had without a doubt.

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2/25/11 3:12:03 PM#20

Rift felt extremely generic to me.  The clas system was neat and the Rifts were fun [only] when grouped with an army of others, but outside of that, I didn't see anything in Rift that wasn't done better someplace else.

Honestly, I felt like the game shouldn't even charge $15 dollars a month to play.  I'd be all over it if it charged $10 dollars or even $12.

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