Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by GungaDin

Originally posted by whilan

Originally posted by GungaDin

How will it differ? Its very simple.  Your going from a MMO to a single player game.

Incorrect. Please read the faq or the feature list. Thanks.

No, I am correct.  Not one of my friends (100's that play varying MMO's for the past 13 yrs) believe this game to be more than a single player story.  I'm not sure if any of them are gonna even try it, very sad but true.

Saying you are 'correct' and offering nothing to back it up other than 'my 100s of friends!' is going to convince no one.

At this point, I think you are trolling.

Put up some evidence to the contrary if you have something otherwise, you come across as someone who is just pulling facts out of thin air.

By the way, there is a sticky regarding this topic, so read it.

Honestly, i'm not going to list everything we spoken about countless hours in vent, via icq etc.  Based on all the videos, information they have released and updates, our conclusion is that this game has serious issues when it comes to producing an open world where you need to be in a group or guild to achieve goals.  

The guilds i'm in see no reason to start a guild in this game.  Simple as that. If I don't need friends to help with content or progress in the game, then its just a single player game charging a monthly fee for content.  I honestly don't have one gamer friend looking forward to this game.

Originally posted by GungaDin

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by GungaDin

Originally posted by whilan

Originally posted by GungaDin

How will it differ? Its very simple.  Your going from a MMO to a single player game.

Incorrect. Please read the faq or the feature list. Thanks.

No, I am correct.  Not one of my friends (100's that play varying MMO's for the past 13 yrs) believe this game to be more than a single player story.  I'm not sure if any of them are gonna even try it, very sad but true.

Saying you are 'correct' and offering nothing to back it up other than 'my 100s of friends!' is going to convince no one.

At this point, I think you are trolling.

Put up some evidence to the contrary if you have something otherwise, you come across as someone who is just pulling facts out of thin air.

By the way, there is a sticky regarding this topic, so read it.

Honestly, i'm not going to list everything we spoken about countless hours in vent, via icq etc.  Based on all the videos, information they have released and updates, our conclusion is that this game has serious issues when it comes to producing an open world where you need to be in a group or guild to achieve goals.  

The guilds i'm in see no reason to start a guild in this game.  Simple as that. If I don't need friends to help with content or progress in the game, then its just a single player game charging a monthly fee for content.  I honestly don't have one gamer friend looking forward to this game.

The red text is gold by the way. Pure gold.

Last I checked, this game is going to be a 'WoW-like' MMO in that it allows you to solo your way through the content.

That doesn't mean you can not group but you are not forced to.

By your definition, 90% of all MMOs on this site is a 'single player game charging a monthly fee for content'. Heck, even EVE is a single player by your definition. 

I can back up my reasoning why it is (once again, read the sticky) an MMO but you still offered nothing. 

Hey guys,

I'd like to provide a little clarification as to why we have locked a recent post (and will continue to lock posts along the same vein) as the thread asking if MMORPG.com should remove Star Wars: The Old Republic from its game list. The simple fact is, if it is on our game list, it has met our criteria for being an "MMOG" and that's that. So as far as MMORPG.com is concerned, Star Wars: The Old Republic is an MMOG.

Now, with that said, you are more than welcome to discuss and debate whether or not Star Wars: The Old Republic will resemble what is traditionally known as an MMORPG, but we are not going to entertain threads that posit this question simply to troll these forums and incite a reaction from users here looking forward to the game.

In fact,  in the interest of avoiding clutter, all discussions pertaining to whether or not Star Wars: The Old Republic is a traditional MMOG or not should be directed to this thread and this thread alone going forward.

Thanks for your understanding!

Thats from MikeB, if you have reasons to believe it's a single player game take it up with Mike. Otherwise can we leave it be and talk about the differences between SWG and SWTOR and not the massive of the game.

I think we are missing the biggest one, this is not the 'Luke/Vadar/Han Solo Movie' era. :P I kid, I kid. 

Actual mechanics wise, I've only seen videos of SWG but isn't SWG largely sandboxy? While this is more themepark?

I recall one of my friends telling me how he built a vest of some type in SWG and the making of it made my head spin.

Think he had to get 5 different gathers/processing guys to do something. Raw mat -> something -> something else -> something else2 -> final mat -> Him to make vest. Holy poo poo! o_O

Originally posted by whilan

 

Hey guys,

I'd like to provide a little clarification as to why we have locked a recent post (and will continue to lock posts along the same vein) as the thread asking if MMORPG.com should remove Star Wars: The Old Republic from its game list. The simple fact is, if it is on our game list, it has met our criteria for being an "MMOG" and that's that. So as far as MMORPG.com is concerned, Star Wars: The Old Republic is an MMOG.

Now, with that said, you are more than welcome to discuss and debate whether or not Star Wars: The Old Republic will resemble what is traditionally known as an MMORPG, but we are not going to entertain threads that posit this question simply to troll these forums and incite a reaction from users here looking forward to the game.

In fact,  in the interest of avoiding clutter, all discussions pertaining to whether or not Star Wars: The Old Republic is a traditional MMOG or not should be directed to this thread and this thread alone going forward.

Thanks for your understanding!

 

Thats from MikeB, if you have reasons to believe it's a single player game take it up with Mike. Otherwise can we leave it be and talk about the differences between SWG and SWTOR and not the massive of the game.

I agree that it shouldn't be removed from your list.  But if people are questioning its status on the list, doesn't that say something about the game?  Its a MMO but not much of one..

Originally posted by GungaDin

I agree that it shouldn't be removed from your list.  But if people are questioning its status on the list, doesn't that say something about the game?  Its a MMO but not much of one..

Somewhat premature, you haven't even played it. People question and sometimes dislike everything that's strange and different to them or that they've trouble wrapping their brains around.

Anyway, all the reports from people that did play it all mentioned that SWTOR is an MMORPG with all the whistles and bells that come with this attached to it.

Originally posted by andrewattheU

Originally posted by GungaDin

The only reason this game is trying market itself as an MMO, is to charge you monthly.  Of course it has some MMO components and me stating its not an MMO is an extreme statement.  But my point is this:  you are being charged monthly for a game that may not be worthy of such.  

They say its an MMO in the FAQ, they say their following WOW.  This is all marketing.  But the bottom line:  SWG was more MMO than this piece of crap game.  

troll more please....not everyone wants a sandbox to make and craft all day so ppl want to have fun experiences and epic loots :D

That's not what he's saying, and he's not trolling. This game truly looks like they took Kotor 3 and slapped some multiplayer on to justify a monthly fee. How come people assume that any game that isn't a WoW clone is a sandbox? Man the genre has fallen on hard times...

Originally posted by GungaDin

The only reason this game is trying market itself as an MMO, is to charge you monthly.  Of course it has some MMO components and me stating its not an MMO is an extreme statement.  But my point is this:  you are being charged monthly for a game that may not be worthy of such.  

They say its an MMO in the FAQ, they say their following WOW.  This is all marketing.  But the bottom line:  SWG was more MMO than this piece of crap game.  

The important question is: Will TOR be more fun than SWG? That is what matters in the end.

It will be good.

Originally posted by Nazgol

It will be good.

As per Quote.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by Nazgol

It will be good.

As per Quote.

     I agree with both and add my third.

Originally posted by GungaDin

Originally posted by whilan

 

Hey guys,

I'd like to provide a little clarification as to why we have locked a recent post (and will continue to lock posts along the same vein) as the thread asking if MMORPG.com should remove Star Wars: The Old Republic from its game list. The simple fact is, if it is on our game list, it has met our criteria for being an "MMOG" and that's that. So as far as MMORPG.com is concerned, Star Wars: The Old Republic is an MMOG.

Now, with that said, you are more than welcome to discuss and debate whether or not Star Wars: The Old Republic will resemble what is traditionally known as an MMORPG, but we are not going to entertain threads that posit this question simply to troll these forums and incite a reaction from users here looking forward to the game.

In fact,  in the interest of avoiding clutter, all discussions pertaining to whether or not Star Wars: The Old Republic is a traditional MMOG or not should be directed to this thread and this thread alone going forward.

Thanks for your understanding!

 

Thats from MikeB, if you have reasons to believe it's a single player game take it up with Mike. Otherwise can we leave it be and talk about the differences between SWG and SWTOR and not the massive of the game.

I agree that it shouldn't be removed from your list.  But if people are questioning its status on the list, doesn't that say something about the game?  Its a MMO but not much of one..

No, it says something about he people who make statements to the effect the game isn't an mmorpg. People who say that are one of two things, they either have such high standards for what an mmo is that very few games could actually be an mmo, or they simply hate what little they know about the game and look for any means to tear it down.

If what the devs tell us is true, then the game is an mmorpg and we have no reason to doubt what they've said. But there's the kicker, many of the people who whine about this subject refuse to accept what the devs say about the game. All they see is Biowares history as a developer of single player games and they refuse to look past that to the possibility Bioware can actually do something different.

    I will have to say, from a stictly personal perspective, that the big different this game has from SWG is that it actually managed to get my attention and has kept it without even playing yet.  I tried SWG for about 30 hours-ish and walked away from sheer boredom.  That was with someone showing me the ropes too so I "didn't get bored with the lame stuff".  Only problem was I found pretty much all of SWG lame. 

    Now I know that some people like / liked SWG and good for them, but it couldn't get me interested in that game even with a lot of effort on my part.  This game I have put no effort into and managed to get very interested.  Will SWTOR be able to keep me interested?  I am almsot certain it will, but only time will tell.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by andrewattheU

Originally posted by GungaDin

The only reason this game is trying market itself as an MMO, is to charge you monthly.  Of course it has some MMO components and me stating its not an MMO is an extreme statement.  But my point is this:  you are being charged monthly for a game that may not be worthy of such.  

They say its an MMO in the FAQ, they say their following WOW.  This is all marketing.  But the bottom line:  SWG was more MMO than this piece of crap game.  

troll more please....not everyone wants a sandbox to make and craft all day so ppl want to have fun experiences and epic loots :D

That's not what he's saying, and he's not trolling. This game truly looks like they took Kotor 3 and slapped some multiplayer on to justify a monthly fee. How come people assume that any game that isn't a WoW clone is a sandbox? Man the genre has fallen on hard times...

Are you for real probably not, One of the Best Games developers around , ones of the best IPs and near the biggest investement to date for an MMO and you question if this is even an MMO.

I used to respect some of the SWG fans , but the levels of patheticness being exhibited these days is just that. You all look like fools if you think you can tarnish a game that hasn't released that will be 10 times the game SWG ever was they aren't in the same league.

One was a basic sandbox; SWTOR will be a truly massive expansive world with massive investment in the RPG element which is what people have been waiting for , for so long. And from the masters of RPG.

Massive Worlds Online and developed by ones of the best it gets to a point sometimes where Hate and Jealousy just start to look pathetic and this is a case in point.

Roll on release and you know what they say "Don't look back in Anger....."

Used to love SWG pre NGE patch. And im bored til death of all the mmo's out there atm.  Realy hope this games fire my old rockets hehe.

Still id go back to SWG if the would have done a rollback on the servers and keept the old crafting,class and skill system they had pre nge. Tried the game out a fe times over the years. But sucks big time and will always be a bad game in it's curent state.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by andrewattheU

Originally posted by GungaDin

The only reason this game is trying market itself as an MMO, is to charge you monthly.  Of course it has some MMO components and me stating its not an MMO is an extreme statement.  But my point is this:  you are being charged monthly for a game that may not be worthy of such.  

They say its an MMO in the FAQ, they say their following WOW.  This is all marketing.  But the bottom line:  SWG was more MMO than this piece of crap game.  

troll more please....not everyone wants a sandbox to make and craft all day so ppl want to have fun experiences and epic loots :D

That's not what he's saying, and he's not trolling. This game truly looks like they took Kotor 3 and slapped some multiplayer on to justify a monthly fee. How come people assume that any game that isn't a WoW clone is a sandbox? Man the genre has fallen on hard times...

Are you for real probably not, One of the Best Games developers around , ones of the best IPs and near the biggest investement to date for an MMO and you question if this is even an MMO.

I used to respect some of the SWG fans , but the levels of patheticness being exhibited these days is just that. You all look like fools if you think you can tarnish a game that hasn't released that will be 10 times the game SWG ever was they aren't in the same league.

One was a basic sandbox; SWTOR will be a truly massive expansive world with massive investment in the RPG element which is what people have been waiting for , for so long. And from the masters of RPG.

Massive Worlds Online and developed by ones of the best it gets to a point sometimes where Hate and Jealousy just start to look pathetic and this is a case in point.

Roll on release and you know what they say "Don't look back in Anger....."

 @GungaDin I'm an SWG pre-NGE vet and i can tell you right now that SW:TOR isn't trying to be anything like SWG, your final sentence was partly correct.. "SWG was more MMO" WAS as in past tense, SWG is nothing more than a bore now just like many other games, Hating on a DIFFERENT Star Wars game for the sake of it does you no justice m8.

@AndrewattheU He's not trolling he's just still getting over the trauma that happened to a brilliant game and voicing his personal taste as we all do and the SWG pre-NGE wasn't about "epic loot" as you put it as the best was crafted and sold on the player driven economy, loot meant nothing.

@Garvon3 Your mistaken m8, it's not KotOR 3 slapped with multiplayer just for a monthly fee, please read up on the FAQ and other OFFICIAL releases and you'll find that they've done it this way to appeal to those of us who really enjoyed the single player RPG and thought that multiplayer was the only thing really missing from it. SW:TOR is the future of the KotOR genre as it has the capacity to be KotOR 3, 4, 5, 6 etc etc etc.

@Isane please don't judge the few "vets" as the majority of the SWG fans, Most of us merely decided to move on to other things instead of venting in forums all the time. Other than that i agree with you, The masters of RPG making a SOLID IP into a good MMORPG and actually bringing back the RPG element which MMO's have lost is a damn good idea and i'm waiting for release with patience (but secretly holding back my urge to want it out NOW!! lol)

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by andrewattheU

Originally posted by GungaDin

The only reason this game is trying market itself as an MMO, is to charge you monthly.  Of course it has some MMO components and me stating its not an MMO is an extreme statement.  But my point is this:  you are being charged monthly for a game that may not be worthy of such.  

They say its an MMO in the FAQ, they say their following WOW.  This is all marketing.  But the bottom line:  SWG was more MMO than this piece of crap game.  

troll more please....not everyone wants a sandbox to make and craft all day so ppl want to have fun experiences and epic loots :D

That's not what he's saying, and he's not trolling. This game truly looks like they took Kotor 3 and slapped some multiplayer on to justify a monthly fee. How come people assume that any game that isn't a WoW clone is a sandbox? Man the genre has fallen on hard times...

Are you for real probably not, One of the Best Games developers around , ones of the best IPs and near the biggest investement to date for an MMO and you question if this is even an MMO.

I used to respect some of the SWG fans , but the levels of patheticness being exhibited these days is just that. You all look like fools if you think you can tarnish a game that hasn't released that will be 10 times the game SWG ever was they aren't in the same league.

One was a basic sandbox; SWTOR will be a truly massive expansive world with massive investment in the RPG element which is what people have been waiting for , for so long. And from the masters of RPG.

Massive Worlds Online and developed by ones of the best it gets to a point sometimes where Hate and Jealousy just start to look pathetic and this is a case in point.

Roll on release and you know what they say "Don't look back in Anger....."

Hmmm. I don't really care how amazing a game is mechanically if it has a bad community. If swtor ends up having a WoW like atmosphere, then I will not consider it better than SWG.

Community is the 5th pillar for many and is vital for keeping a high veteren member retention rate, if this game doesn't end up having a good community then I don't care if it beats SWG in every other mechanical aspect, it will still not be as enjoyable long term.

I'll still play it if it has a bad-decent community, however I wouldn't plan to spend over a year and a half in the game if that's the case.

Lastly, I find your stereotype against swg vets disturbing.

Originally posted by Youngg

Ive been thinking and wondering how Will SWTOR differ from SWG as far as i can see alot of the gameplay seems to be the same but i havent done too much research?

SWG = sandbox

TOR = themepark

Originally posted by Sora2810

Originally posted by Youngg

Ive been thinking and wondering how Will SWTOR differ from SWG as far as i can see alot of the gameplay seems to be the same but i havent done too much research?

SWG = sandbox

TOR = themepark

win, /thread

I think a key difference is that SWTOR may well have more than 3 active subscribers.