Originally posted by Vidir

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

wow! this weekend pretty much 24/7 anytime I looked down at global chat it was somehow related to pvp.

I think its funny because even thought this game will have pvp its fairly clear that its not the main focus of the game. At the moment it has a very deep functional crafting system but barely any combat system at all which should be a major hint that even if you did become the king of Xyson pvp you would be laughed at by the greater pvp community for doing so.

 

Now, yes, i understand it could turn into a great pvp game and that more is coming but for now, people! please!

thank god global chat is going away.

 Yes there is pvp chat all the time,what I dont understand why they dont play on pvp server and spare us pve'ers from this bullshit, maybe becouse they are cowards or something.

We don't play on the nonexistent PVP server because, well, it's nonexistent.  Why must servers split because you don't like the way the game was developed? 

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Originally posted by boo2319

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Originally posted by Vidir

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Originally posted by SEANMCAD

wow! this weekend pretty much 24/7 anytime I looked down at global chat it was somehow related to pvp.
I think its funny because even thought this game will have pvp its fairly clear that its not the main focus of the game. At the moment it has a very deep functional crafting system but barely any combat system at all which should be a major hint that even if you did become the king of Xyson pvp you would be laughed at by the greater pvp community for doing so.
 
Now, yes, i understand it could turn into a great pvp game and that more is coming but for now, people! please!
thank god global chat is going away.

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 Yes there is pvp chat all the time,what I dont understand why they dont play on pvp server and spare us pve'ers from this bullshit, maybe becouse they are cowards or something.

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We don't play on the nonexistent PVP server because, well, it's nonexistent.  Why must servers split because you don't like the way the game was developed? 

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see my edited post above.

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Originally posted by boo2319
We don't play on the nonexistent PVP server because, well, it's nonexistent.  Why must servers split because you don't like the way the game was developed? 

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Hmm, might be that Xsyon will be the next sandbox attempt that fails because of FFA PvP with full loot. For the time being I still very much enjoy my time in the game, I don't mind being ganked so now and then. :)

Originally posted by Vidir

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

wow! this weekend pretty much 24/7 anytime I looked down at global chat it was somehow related to pvp.

I think its funny because even thought this game will have pvp its fairly clear that its not the main focus of the game. At the moment it has a very deep functional crafting system but barely any combat system at all which should be a major hint that even if you did become the king of Xyson pvp you would be laughed at by the greater pvp community for doing so.

 

Now, yes, i understand it could turn into a great pvp game and that more is coming but for now, people! please!

thank god global chat is going away.

 Yes there is pvp chat all the time,what I dont understand why they dont play on pvp server and spare us pve'ers from this bullshit, maybe becouse they are cowards or something.

Pretty sure this guy meant to post this on the Rift forums. It'd fit with the conversation there better.

Ideally, we would have one well balanced world, where most PVP is friendly sparring (not resulting in death) and where evil players really feel like game 'monsters' but with better, unpredictable AI.

There should be enough in place for the game to not turn into a gankfest. The intention of Xsyon is to be a fun, open, sandbox game with possibilities for all kinds of players. If the game starts to get thrown off balance by gankers, the balance will shift. Simple as that.

 

This is a quote directly from Jooky on his vision and what he wanted PvP to be in Xsyon. Anyone who has an idea that it was in anyway different than this is not reading wht he has stated himself. That being said, anyone who now plays Xsyon, and is trying to scream and kick and change the game to something other than this will just have to fight with Jooky to change his vision of his game. But make no doubt about it, the ONLY person your going to be fighting with on changing this vision is him.

No amount of bitching about it in global chat while in the game is going to accomplish anything but make the people playing hate you. If you feel this vision of Jooky's is wrong I suggest you go to the official Xsyon forums and make a thread and communicate with him about how you feel he is wrong. I'm sure he would love to hear about it. But the OP is right on this thread, it is getting WAY out of hand on the global chat already. If you have an issue with the PvP focus, use the forums, not global.

I gotta agree with the OP too; the constant "PvP or not" debate is giving me a headache while I'm playing Xsyon (that, and the red text against the snow of course). To me, the discussion is utterly pointless. I'm no hardcore PvPer by any means - I recently left another "sandbox" game because it focused to heavily on PvP, and came to Xsyon because I was looking for more sandbox tools rather than more warfare. However, I fail to comprehend the "hardcore carebear" mindset sometimes.

The silliest argument in my opinion is the idea that PvPers "force their playstyle" upon others, thus making the game less of a sandbox. This would be true if attacking other players required some kind of cheating, but it doesn't; it's part of the game design. So no one is forcing anything upon you - you chose to play a game featuring free-for-all PvP with full loot. The game also features gathering, crafting, architecture, and tribe building. Does that mean the carebears are forcing their playstyle upon the PvPers by hiding inside their tribal areas, crafting away where they can't be killed?

Another silly, or rather uninformed, argument, is that all PvPers are immature, antisocial idiots. This usually goes together with the cries about "ganking" or "griefing", usually coming from someone who just got killed. First of all, PvP is not the same as griefing. Griefers are usually not even PvPers; they just enjoy making other people miserable, and PvP is a much too limited tool for that. And as for ganking, well... see above. The game features free-for-all PvP, you bought it, you play it, you should expect to get killed some time. And PvP is not about "fair fights", it's about winning. Numbers, better gear, superior tactics, better reflexes - anything goes as long as it's allowed by the game mechanics. If you got ganked, get good. Team up with others, get some help, find ways to avoid killers, whatever. If you run around in the middle of nowhere, unarmed and alone in your best bone suit, encumbered by rare goods, it's your own fault if you lose your stuff.

The game caters to more than one playstyle, and seems to strike a fairly good balance between safety and risk. I don't think anyone playing Xsyon want it to be a 100% PvP game like MO or DFO, but in my opinion it will never be, even if we'll see more PvP in the future. Why? Because Xsyon has so many sandbox features - it already has more of them than MO and DFO combined, and it hasn't even launched yet. If there are lots of things to do besides PvP, killing others will not be the sole focus of the majority of the playerbase.

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Originally posted by Noobgren
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The game also features gathering, crafting, architecture, and tribe building. Does that mean the carebears are forcing their playstyle upon the PvPers by hiding inside their tribal areas, crafting away where they can't be killed?
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I have seen many hardcore PvPers use this exact argument.

Originally posted by Joliust

 

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Originally posted by Noobgren
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The game also features gathering, crafting, architecture, and tribe building. Does that mean the carebears are forcing their playstyle upon the PvPers by hiding inside their tribal areas, crafting away where they can't be killed?
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I have seen many hardcore PvPers use this exact argument.

Yup, hardcore PvPers can be just as silly as hardcore carebears.

Softcore rules! ; )

Originally posted by Joliust

 

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Originally posted by Noobgren
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The game also features gathering, crafting, architecture, and tribe building. Does that mean the carebears are forcing their playstyle upon the PvPers by hiding inside their tribal areas, crafting away where they can't be killed?
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I have seen many hardcore PvPers use this exact argument.

 the entire arguement of 'you joined a FFA PVP game Therefore you know what your getting into' as an arguement for any and all imagianable pvp as well as constant conversation about it is just silly.

its not a FFA PVP game, FFA PVP is a FEATURE in the game. But clearly for some people the single feature of FFA PVP gives them such a woody they completely overlook that the game has other features and consider FFA PVP a 'meta type' of game but its not.

Most PvE 'carebears' really dont give a rats a$$ if PvP folks hunt each other down on the server, most of us know that grieving is rarely a major issue. what I think we tire of to be honest is just the constant talk about it and the stupid player names like 'TotalPwnage'.

Just give it up guys we dont care but if you are welcome to play on the server anyway.

So here is where it all began.... if this does not intrests you... look for another game. please!!

So I found this scrap of paper in a junk pile I woke up on... some metal near by and a peice of pencil on it.... I thought I should keep track of what I am seeing in case someone finds me dead later or I need to share my findings with others. I am not sure how I got here or even where I am....

Day 1.

I have checked out my surroundings and found a lake nearby, its a large lake with some native North American folage and trees. From the looks of the surrounding mountains I could be in the Western United States. 

I have seen a few racoons, a coyote and a small black bear. 

Near my resting point where I woke up, I found a backpack with a few tools and a shovel. I am going to try and make a weapon or sorts so that I can eat.. darkness is coming!

I was able to kill a racoon, I skinned it, got a few bones and made a needle, with some leather strips I cut from its fur I was able to make some warmer shoes for my travels tomorrow. I need to find some shelter. Darkness has set in. First night here I come.



Day 2.

I woke to the sounds of chickens this morning, and a frosty surrounding. My shoes I made kept my feet warm through the night, if I can find a few more racoons I could make a full suit of warmer clothing.

The vegitation around offers a few oats and berries, I need to find something to start a fire today.

Was able to find some racoons and a coyote, got some warmer gear on, still need a fire, the stuff I am foraging for is not enough to keep my strength up. Saw a stream today, perhaps tomorrow a fishing pole. Still nothing to start a fire.



Day 3.

Was startled this morning to the sounds of voices, others? As I located a few others that were as in bad a shape as I was we talked about what had happened, no facts other then we all knew that the world we once knew was gone.

As I spent the day with these few others, we were able to gather some fish, kill a few more animals. I shared my knowledge of the warmer clothes and was able to make them some items as they gave me some fish.

One of them had a flint that he had found while looking for a sharp rock, fire at last, I think I will stay in the proximity of the warmth for tonight.



Day 4.

The sun hit my face and the warmth opened my eyes, I was alone again, no fire, and just as lost as I was 4 days ago. As I sit here thinking about what I know... no lights, no modern weapons as I remember, no radio or hell no technology as far as I can see.... nothing but mounds and mounds of junk. 

Today I am going to find some shelter, I need to find a way to protect myself, I will survive, but for how long is yet to be decided.

Found a belt buckle
some screws
10 metal bolts
an old saw blade

I am going to keep track of my inventory, there are all kinds of things that can be found on the mounds. There are even areas where cloth and leather pile up... I bet I could make some better clothes or even some make shift armor to help protect me.

I need a bigger basket or a larger backpack



Day 5. 

FOUND SOME FLINT



Day 6.

So I have wondered a ways from where I woke up today... I have found an area I think I will try to make a place.... nice river near by, some trees, and of course a mound. 

I will have a tarp done today, a tent by tonight.... who knows by tomorrow!

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Joliust

 

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Originally posted by Noobgren
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The game also features gathering, crafting, architecture, and tribe building. Does that mean the carebears are forcing their playstyle upon the PvPers by hiding inside their tribal areas, crafting away where they can't be killed?
...

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I have seen many hardcore PvPers use this exact argument.

 the entire arguement of 'you joined a FFA PVP game Therefore you know what your getting into' as an arguement for any and all imagianable pvp as well as constant conversation about it is just silly.

its not a FFA PVP game, FFA PVP is a FEATURE in the game. But clearly for some people the single feature of FFA PVP gives them such a woody they completely overlook that the game has other features and consider FFA PVP a 'meta type' of game but its not.

Most PvE 'carebears' really dont give a rats a$$ if PvP folks hunt each other down on the server, most of us know that grieving is rarely a major issue. what I think we tire of to be honest is just the constant talk about it and the stupid player names like 'TotalPwnage'.

Just give it up guys we dont care but if you are welcome to play on the server anyway.

 What "SEANMCAD" said. ^

Originally posted by Tredo

So here is where it all began.... if this does not intrests you... look for another game. please!!

 

 

So I found this scrap of paper in a junk pile I woke up on... some metal near by and a peice of pencil on it.... I thought I should keep track of what I am seeing in case someone finds me dead later or I need to share my findings with others. I am not sure how I got here or even where I am....

Day 1.

I have checked out my surroundings and found a lake nearby, its a large lake with some native North American folage and trees. From the looks of the surrounding mountains I could be in the Western United States. 

I have seen a few racoons, a coyote and a small black bear. 

Near my resting point where I woke up, I found a backpack with a few tools and a shovel. I am going to try and make a weapon or sorts so that I can eat.. darkness is coming!

I was able to kill a racoon, I skinned it, got a few bones and made a needle, with some leather strips I cut from its fur I was able to make some warmer shoes for my travels tomorrow. I need to find some shelter. Darkness has set in. First night here I come.
Good read..but all I took out of it was.."That lucky S.O.B. found a sawblade."


Day 2.

I woke to the sounds of chickens this morning, and a frosty surrounding. My shoes I made kept my feet warm through the night, if I can find a few more racoons I could make a full suit of warmer clothing.

The vegitation around offers a few oats and berries, I need to find something to start a fire today.

Was able to find some racoons and a coyote, got some warmer gear on, still need a fire, the stuff I am foraging for is not enough to keep my strength up. Saw a stream today, perhaps tomorrow a fishing pole. Still nothing to start a fire.



Day 3.

Was startled this morning to the sounds of voices, others? As I located a few others that were as in bad a shape as I was we talked about what had happened, no facts other then we all knew that the world we once knew was gone.

As I spent the day with these few others, we were able to gather some fish, kill a few more animals. I shared my knowledge of the warmer clothes and was able to make them some items as they gave me some fish.

One of them had a flint that he had found while looking for a sharp rock, fire at last, I think I will stay in the proximity of the warmth for tonight.



Day 4.

The sun hit my face and the warmth opened my eyes, I was alone again, no fire, and just as lost as I was 4 days ago. As I sit here thinking about what I know... no lights, no modern weapons as I remember, no radio or hell no technology as far as I can see.... nothing but mounds and mounds of junk. 

Today I am going to find some shelter, I need to find a way to protect myself, I will survive, but for how long is yet to be decided.

Found a belt buckle
some screws
10 metal bolts
an old saw blade

I am going to keep track of my inventory, there are all kinds of things that can be found on the mounds. There are even areas where cloth and leather pile up... I bet I could make some better clothes or even some make shift armor to help protect me.

I need a bigger basket or a larger backpack



Day 5. 

FOUND SOME FLINT



Day 6.

So I have wondered a ways from where I woke up today... I have found an area I think I will try to make a place.... nice river near by, some trees, and of course a mound. 

I will have a tarp done today, a tent by tonight.... who knows by tomorrow!

good story.

He is in for a surprise on that tarp though....geting the exact mats for a tarp is a lot of work.

Originally posted by BarCrow
Won't let me post in a quote. Anyway...that was a good read but the only thing I took from it is " that lucky S.O.B found an old saw blade."

no kidding right, heard stories of the old saw blade being like the most rare, most valuable peice in the game, traded a full suit of bear bone armor for it : )

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by sinjin

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

wow! this weekend pretty much 24/7 anytime I looked down at global chat it was somehow related to pvp.

I think its funny because even thought this game will have pvp its fairly clear that its not the main focus of the game. At the moment it has a very deep functional crafting system but barely any combat system at all which should be a major hint that even if you did become the king of Xyson pvp you would be laughed at by the greater pvp community for doing so.

 

Now, yes, i understand it could turn into a great pvp game and that more is coming but for now, people! please!

thank god global chat is going away.

 

You can all sit back and laugh while I am looking at all my lootz I took from you. Maybe even that rare item you cherish so much will become my tolietbowl.

Sarcasm?

No, Sociopath

LOL

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by sinjin

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

wow! this weekend pretty much 24/7 anytime I looked down at global chat it was somehow related to pvp.

I think its funny because even thought this game will have pvp its fairly clear that its not the main focus of the game. At the moment it has a very deep functional crafting system but barely any combat system at all which should be a major hint that even if you did become the king of Xyson pvp you would be laughed at by the greater pvp community for doing so.

 

Now, yes, i understand it could turn into a great pvp game and that more is coming but for now, people! please!

thank god global chat is going away.

 

You can all sit back and laugh while I am looking at all my lootz I took from you. Maybe even that rare item you cherish so much will become my tolietbowl.

Sarcasm?

No, Sociopath

LOL

 Don't get me wrong, I like the game, and I like PvP

But if someone is coming to this game, to show off their UbEr pvp skilZ, with the combat system currently in place...

You'll get nothing more than a chuckle from me.