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  Saiborg

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OP  2/11/11 7:10:10 AM#61

 



Originally posted by Fdzzaigl
And you ganking people that were on average 5 levels lower than you while they were fighting mobs, often while you outnumbered them 2vs1 and had faction mobs supporting you is impressive how?
I'm not saying you can't do it but it's hardly something worth making a vid of.
 
But anyhow, as you're on my server and you killed some low level guildies I promise to chop you up into very small bits in the next beta cheers!
edit: partII was somewhat better.

 


Of course i make vids , i dont care the level of the ones that i put in grave.It's about my pk ,my gank and my fun after all ,what rogue suppose to do ,we got stealth especially to spot our pray and attack kill it when is off guard.Many people hate and cry about pk ,but some are enjoy it ,and do it without any remorse ,just like myself.

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  Xasapis

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2/11/11 7:13:29 AM#62

Fair PvP is a myth. Everybody is looking for the edge.

That been said, some situations are plain retarded, like max levels camping newcomers.

  Saiborg

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OP  2/11/11 10:14:22 AM#63



Originally posted by Xasapis
Fair PvP is a myth. Everybody is looking for the edge.
That been said, some situations are plain retarded, like max levels camping newcomers.


First of all ,it will be fckin boring to camp and kill level below 15 with a level 50 character..nothing funny in doing that.

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  nerovipus32

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2/11/11 10:25:15 AM#64
Originally posted by marzatplay

All I watched was a bored coward ganking lowbies using OP techniques. Sorry, the video was boring, and your tactics were lame. You never tried to PvP skill vs skill. You took advantage of the flaws in the RIFT PvP system and exploited them. GG.

he didnt exploit anything, its a pvp server and thats what happens on a pvp server. running passed the enemy on a pvp server just kills any point to it being a pvp server. so as it used to be in the old school days, red = dead.

i do love how some people get butthurt over pvp though.

  aesperus

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2/11/11 10:46:12 AM#65

I have to agree. Boring vids. The PvP in Rift can be a lot more exciting, though, but these vids just don't reflect that. Also, the purpose of rogues isn't to gank lowbies. They are designed to effectively take out backline healers / casters, which appears to be the very things you have trouble killing (very convenient cuts). Most of those fights you don't even need stealth, you could kill those opponents with just about any class, even ones not specced for pvp.

  Cannyone

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2/11/11 1:06:00 PM#66
Originally posted by Jimmy562
Originally posted by Cannyone
Originally posted by Bainwalker

Sorry but anyone calling what RIFT has to offer PVP wise "exciting" really needs to go play a real PVP game like Darkfall with FPS combat AND full loot.  I just can't derive fun from generic-no-reward-press 1 - 0 to-active-skills type games anymore.

 

That was boring to watch, and I have no interest in such game-play anymore.  Not saying what I enjoy is for everyone... but for anyone to call themselves a PK / PVP and to think games like RIFT is where the true fun / skill is at is pathetic at best.

I have to agree!  Most MMORPGs use a combat model that depends on a Random Number Generator to determine Hits and Crits.  And such system never require the same level of skill as FPS type combat.  So if the OP really wants to brag about his PvP prowess he shouldn't be doing so because he ganked someone already engaged in combat, like is shown in those videos.  Seems like the OP is just an immature kid with some serious social issues... Then again he most likely couldn't cut it in a game that required any real skill.

They require different types of skill. There isn't more skill in FPS combat compared to the traditional MMO, its just a different type.

I disagree with how you are defining "skill" here.  How does it take "skill" to mash on some buttons and hope for a good hit, or a nice crit?  Also you can't really dodge... , dodge, miss, and block, are all determined by RNG.  So despite the fact that players in PvP often jump around like manic monkeys.  Once you target them and get in range, its simply a matter of selecting your attacks and hoping for the best.

 

The only thing that comes close to "skill" is knowing your abilities, in such a way that you can utilize them to the greatest effect.  Personally I feel like that just indicates you tought out how to engage in PvP, with your character, which requires more "Imagination" than "skill" per se.  Either way, in my experience, too much of the outcome depends on that Random Number Generator.  You can not have thought anything through, but with a decent build, and a few good Crits, you end up winning.

 

Imagination also comes into play when you are developing your tactics for PvP.  An example of which is in his videos where he starts attacking a Druid at Range.  This denies the Druid their close quarter combat capabilites.  But that same tactic would not work with a Cabalist / Inquisitor / Purifier combo.  The only chance he'd have against that combo is to be much higher level, or get in close and hope he could slow down the casts with a few interrupts. 

 

But "Imagination" is not something most of us would call a "skill".  "Skill" is something that you Learn, and improve with practice.  "Imagination" is more something you Have, or don't Have.  Skill is about reflex, and Imagination is about thought.  I guess you can develop your imagination through use.  Still its completely different from developing your Skills through practice.  (And i can see that I'm bordering on a semantic quandry here... so I guess its time to shut up!) 

 

I guess the best I could do is to bring up an illustration of what I think real "skill" is...  Skill is like learning how to fire a real handgun.  It depends on things like stance, how you hold the weapon, how you breath, how you sight the target and pull the trigger.  But skill is where you don't have to think about all those factors to be able to do them, and hit your target.  Skill is where all of those things are reflex which you perform automatically.

 

And I guess when it comes right down to it... If you "react" that way in PvP.  It could be considered a "skillfull" performance.  Its just that in real life you have no RNG, so you better have precise skills.  Or you will loose!  And there are no "do overs" or respawn points here. 

  xcarnifex

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2/11/11 2:35:48 PM#67
Originally posted by Seffren
Originally posted by xcarnifex
Originally posted by Seffren
Originally posted by xcarnifex

PVP in Rift is basically a joke.  And open world PVP just shows how crazy it is to allow free for all killing.  You can barely hurt someone when they are 3 levels above you, and you practically can't touch them if they are 4 levels above you.

 

 

Wrong!

Feel free to prove this next beta event, attack someone 5 levels above you and film it.  I'd love to see video proving my wrongness as long as it's open world PVP and not warfronts where they give you a buff to increase your lower level effectiveness.   One and one it'd be even better if you actually won a fight, but I'll settle for you getting them to half health before they kill you.  5 levels above yours is enough to prove me wrong.

I had a few world fights in the last beta against people at least +4 levels higher then me ... and yes I took em down or they bolted.

I guess LTP your char comes to mind here.

 

Like I said, videos of 1v1 showing your level and their level will be proof enough.  I know I had a guy camping me for a good 30 minutes, he'd crit me to death with the marksman guaranteed critical on next hit and then use the marksman ability at the top of the tree to crit me around 5 times in a row for 900+ damage.  Being that I didn't have have access to that abiliy yet I couldn't use it against him.  He was 3 levels above me and I died before I took 25% of his health off that's assuming I didn't miss which also happened a lot. 

 

I mean I guess if you were killing AFK higher levels..you would probably be able to kill them.  Otherwise I think I'll need to see some video of these mad stun lock + DPS skills you have to take down players 5 levels above you.   Because it's an easy thing to jump a guy when he's near dead, AFK, or fighting another player and claim you soloed him 1v1.

 

  Splooshii

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2/11/11 3:14:34 PM#68
Thanks you to the OP! After watching you're truly thrilling video of you ganking lowbies, iv canceled my RIFT beta download. Like many have said before, the risk reward system in this game (and many others like it) is a yawn. It’s really a shame because I love the skill system and lore that RIFT was going for.
 
I find it pretty cute how the OP called someone else a care bear, when he himself took no risks whatsoever. PvP with no rewards or penalty leaves me flaccid.
  Saiborg

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OP  2/11/11 3:45:21 PM#69



Originally posted by Larvae

Thanks you to the OP! After watching you're truly thrilling video of you ganking lowbies, iv canceled my RIFT beta download. Like many have said before, the risk reward system in this game (and many others like it) is a yawn. It’s really a shame because I love the skill system and lore that RIFT was going for.

 

I find it pretty cute how the OP called someone else a care bear, when he himself took no risks whatsoever. PvP with no rewards or penalty leaves me flaccid.

What can i say ..im happy for you and i hope you will find a game that will suit you well.Dont forget ,Rift got pve servers and then you wont be hunted and pk by my kind..

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  Yauchy

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2/11/11 4:00:26 PM#70

Saiborg is definitely a fun fellow to read, are you RPing? I can't help but imagine the "boom headshot" guy everytime you post...

Either way, I love the fact I'm a carebear and can never be ganked and can PVP at me leisure :) The videos were interesting (somewhat) into seeing what that type of thing looks like in Rift, though.

  Saiborg

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OP  2/11/11 4:11:22 PM#71

 



Originally posted by Yauchy
Saiborg is definitely a fun fellow to read, are you RPing? I can't help but imagine the "boom headshot" guy everytime you post...
Either way, I love the fact I'm a carebear and can never be ganked and can PVP at me leisure :) The videos were interesting (somewhat) into seeing what that type of thing looks like in Rift, though.

 

No man ..im not rp-ing and never try it anyway.I just play the game by my own rules and enjoy it.As for guardian hate ..nah ,i just make fun of some  sometimes ,and i enjoy killing them at any levels and in any corner i can find any.This is about gaming and about fun after all ,but of course fun for me is cry and sorrow for others ,you cant make the both parts happy ;) ,only the winer cheer..

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  Saiborg

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OP  2/12/11 8:41:18 AM#72

 



Originally posted by Alders
Am i the only one that finds rogue PVP vids in every MMO dull and lacking any "skill"?
I'd much rather watch a cleric or mage PVP. It's amazing how interesting PVP can be when your opponent doesn't begin the battle at 50% health.

 


What more skill you need when you loot your target ? I think is enough skill in that.I am skilled enough to get my target with 50 % hp and kill it ,this is art after all...

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  heartless

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2/12/11 3:56:11 PM#73
Originally posted by Saiborg

 

this is art after all...

No, it's a you killing a guy in a video game.

  Saiborg

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OP  2/12/11 7:14:27 PM#74

 


Originally posted by heartless

 

 



Originally posted by Saiborg
 
this is art after all...

No, it's a you killing a guy in a video game.


 

 

Killing in a video game is just a good sport when im drunk.So ..iz gud staf

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  Jeff44

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2/13/11 1:04:05 AM#75
Originally posted by Saiborg

 



Originally posted by Yauchy
Saiborg is definitely a fun fellow to read, are you RPing? I can't help but imagine the "boom headshot" guy everytime you post...
Either way, I love the fact I'm a carebear and can never be ganked and can PVP at me leisure :) The videos were interesting (somewhat) into seeing what that type of thing looks like in Rift, though.

 

No man ..im not rp-ing and never try it anyway.I just play the game by my own rules and enjoy it.As for guardian hate ..nah ,i just make fun of some  sometimes ,and i enjoy killing them at any levels and in any corner i can find any.This is about gaming and about fun after all ,but of course fun for me is cry and sorrow for others ,you cant make the both parts happy ;) ,only the winer cheer..

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  stayontarget

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2/13/11 1:10:29 AM#76

Thanks OP, I found the combat to be quite basic.  Looks to be the status quo as far as mmo's go these days.

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  heartless

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2/13/11 1:25:22 AM#77
Originally posted by Saiborg

 


Originally posted by heartless

 



Originally posted by Saiborg
 
this is art after all...


No, it's a you killing a guy in a video game.


 

Killing in a video game is just like masturbate my mind when im drunk.So ..iz gud staf

So you get sexual gratification from killing a random person in a video game?!

  onaht

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2/13/11 1:50:26 AM#78

I see plenty of opportunities to criticize the OP, but instead a lot of you guys are hating on him because he's killing lower levels? What?

I always roll on a PvP server given the choice, and I know full well I'm going to be ganked by some dude 10 levels higher while surrounded by 5 mobs AT LEAST 5 times. It's a PvP server! I don't understand why ganking on a PvP server is so taboo. They have separate PvE servers for a reason.

  crazynanny

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2/13/11 5:41:42 AM#79


Originally posted by onaht
I see plenty of opportunities to criticize the OP, but instead a lot of you guys are hating on him because he's killing lower levels? What?
I always roll on a PvP server given the choice, and I know full well I'm going to be ganked by some dude 10 levels higher while surrounded by 5 mobs AT LEAST 5 times. It's a PvP server! I don't understand why ganking on a PvP server is so taboo. They have separate PvE servers for a reason.


True, still OP vid is plain boring. Like watching WoW 85 Rogue 1 shotting lvl 5 boars in n00b zone. Interesting(for other peeps) PvP vid is not about owning everyone and cutting out parts where You lost. It's about interesting fight where victim defends and loses or wins. Who cares About vid where OP ganked folks on PvP server? it's like omg look everyone the grass is green!!1111!!

  mainvein33

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2/13/11 6:50:34 AM#80

If you roll a pvp server expect to get ganked or griefed at some point the minute you chose that server you gave your right to complain up. At the same time bragging a kill on someone engaged in combat is not only weak but tacky. I am not saying dont gank him (he rolled the server he asked for it) but dont post a video ganking him and saying look how good at PvP I am. If you posted a video of some guy fighting another guy and you jump in beat his ass and "Man I am such a good fighter!" anybody wolud laugh at you. Go on get your kills but dont share the story unless it was epic. Just imho what a pvper should do.

BTW I have ganked lowbies before myself I have been ganked as a lowby myself  but no good pvp I know ever posted a video less than a 2 on 1 (equal level or close) where he or she was the 1 and thats the truth.

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