Yeah, RPG's today are nothing like oldschool... I was wainting for fallout 3 for years and what did I get? It is realy sad...

So what?

In a few years time children will stare at a kitchen sink full of dishes not knowing what to do with it ... without a dishwasher.

Progress people, let it go allready.

Originally posted by Seffren

So what?

In a few years time children will stare at a kitchen sink full of dishes not knowing what to do with it ... without a dishwasher.

Progress people, let it go allready.

Case in point, I have no idea how to make a fire without matches/lighters etc.

I've grown up playing many RPG from many consoles and PC, and love playing the RPG games in the past like Breath of Fire IV,  I still play them however today's modern RPG games tend to go for a different route then the traditional games like final fantasy 7 or breath of fire, or Grandia. You got games that like Fable, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and other games that try to find and construct a new path for new games to follow but in my opinion, most of these games become either too short, or become somewhat boring. This also includes games that are shooter's like Dead Space, Call of Duty, and other FPS games that can be beaten within a day, I want an FPS game that last a week or 2 to beat. I want today games to be long and fun, not short and boring and repeatitive.

Since the dawn of time, students have been adverse to doing the assigned reading for homework. There is nothing more to this article than that: kids failed to do their homework. Nothing new here. 

Games today are really 'watered down'.  They just are. 

We experienced the HUGE rush of creativity that pumped out the first few MMORPG's.  After that, the rest of them have essentially been clones of different degrees.

This isn't to say that the 'first' MMORPG's were the best, it just means that they really did pioneer/trail blaze and carved the path in unexplored territory that all new games follow now. 

Kids 'can' handle old-school RPG's... but they likely wouldn't really want to.  Most of them have been spoonfed by the games we play today. 

To the converse, Old School players have lived, learned, and liked/disliked generation after generation of games.  We have a pretty massive foundation to base our judgements from.  So, most new games do just look like clones with a few upgrades here and there... no new major leaps forward in 'gaming technology'.  Much like seeing new cars roll out every model year.

"What the hell is exciting about the changes from the Honda Civic from 2010 to 2011?"  That's really the type of comparison I make when a new MMORPG launches.  Is it 'that' big of a change from what I may be currently playing? 

Kids is the wrong terminology.

A large number of adults have never played Ultima or anything like an old school RPG. The average gamer is 24-35 and most of them would rather play WoW or COD than anything else. These aren't kids, the market is just much bigger than it used to be and the majority of gamers like it a little easy.

Originally posted by bobfish

Kids is the wrong terminology.

 

A large number of adults have never played Ultima or anything like an old school RPG. The average gamer is 24-35 and most of them would rather play WoW or COD than anything else. These aren't kids, the market is just much bigger than it used to be and the majority of gamers like it a little easy.

I wouldn't say 'easy'. I'd say 'more in-game, less out-of-the-game'.

The old school RPG wasn't 'hard' in a Demon Souls (PS3) hard. It was hard because it required specific compositions/player numbers etc which has nothing to do with the actual game.

When most gamers play a game, they want to play the game IN the game. Not out-of-the-game, waiting for XYZ which has nothing to do with the actual difficulty.

HAHAHA !

Read the manual !

Good one !

HAHAHA !

If this forum had smileys, I would use a lot of them now.

Today people dont even read the manuals of serious software. Games ? Forget it !

But seriously, 1985 ? Thats when PCs had like 1 MB RAM or something.

The problem today with the RTFM is that the Manuals have become so very bad and uninformative while the ingame tutorials often...well...be very basic.

Today a good manual is a strategy guide or whatever its called you have to buy it extra and the only game with a quite good informative ingame manual is Civ.

No wonder nobody reads them anymore...

Originally posted by Aguitha

It's not just game, it's the whole internet era.   All these kids born in the 90's never lived in world without internet or cell phone.  How do you expect them to understand games that were made when DOS was the operating system.

Just tell me what this is.

If your 20 years old or less it's normal not to know.

Or this:

You know really, all you computer bound sissies had it lucky. When my generation wanted to play an electronic  game we had to make do with one of these:

Originally posted by Blutmaul

The problem today with the RTFM is that the Manuals have become so very bad and uninformative while the ingame tutorials often...well...be very basic.

Today a good manual is a strategy guide or whatever its called you have to buy it extra and the only game with a quite good informative ingame manual is Civ.

No wonder nobody reads them anymore...

 

Heck, a good Wiki site for a game means that you don't need to buy any strategy guides.

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Originally posted by jpnz

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Originally posted by bobfish
Kids is the wrong terminology.
 
A large number of adults have never played Ultima or anything like an old school RPG. The average gamer is 24-35 and most of them would rather play WoW or COD than anything else. These aren't kids, the market is just much bigger than it used to be and the majority of gamers like it a little easy.

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I wouldn't say 'easy'. I'd say 'more in-game, less out-of-the-game'.
The old school RPG wasn't 'hard' in a Demon Souls (PS3) hard. It was hard because it required specific compositions/player numbers etc which has nothing to do with the actual game.
When most gamers play a game, they want to play the game IN the game. Not out-of-the-game, waiting for XYZ which has nothing to do with the actual difficulty.

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Originally posted by Seffren

So what?

In a few years time children will stare at a kitchen sink full of dishes not knowing what to do with it ... without a dishwasher.

Progress people, let it go allready.

Games these days are not progress lol maybe grafik wise, but all dumb down games these days simpler and simpler i dont see as progress.

It's kind of silly to argue this in this particular forum. If you're even here looking at this, you're not part of the mainstream in most games that even we're all playing.

I know an equal amount of adults to kids that are total twackjobs when it comes to games. If it's not completely obvious out of the box, they can't be bothered.

If there is anything that I have noticed from playing MMO's, is that the general level of intelligence for the RPG faithful is a bit higher than most of the rest of society. Not to mention the attention span. I know people that will balk at spending thousands of hours leveling a character, and reaching endgame, but will spend that same amount of time playing the same map of Left4Dead or CoD over and over again.

But back to my original point, so many people these days are just absolutely and terminally stupid. It doesnt necessarily have anything to do with age.

I think its more of a supply issue then a demand issue.

I think overall youth are more intelligent then we give them credit for. I think game companies are just more intrested in controlling the supply chain of games so that they are easy to make, copy etc.

Intresting history note on UO. UO 2 was canceled because the business decided it might hurt the existing UO player base which was good enough in their mind as it was.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Aguitha

It's not just game, it's the whole internet era.   All these kids born in the 90's never lived in world without internet or cell phone.  How do you expect them to understand games that were made when DOS was the operating system.

Just tell me what this is.

If your 20 years old or less it's normal not to know.

Or this:

You know really, all you computer bound sissies had it lucky. When my generation wanted to play an electronic  game we had to make do with one of these:

 oh cool I forgot about the merlin. I played that often on road trips with the parents.

While trying to memmorize all the dialoge in star wars using a tape I took into the movie to record my dad said 'you know son that tape player only has so many clicks in it before it breaks, stop rewinding and playing so much'

Originally posted by djnexus

Found an article posted on another forum thought id share

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.234661-Kids-Cant-Handle-Old-School-RPGs-Anymore

Do you know the "In my times we used to..." mentality makes you older than you even are?

My 2 year old plays Angry Birds, Sonic (She can beat the first level in Sonic 2 and Sonic 4), and other kid-friendly games.  I'm pretty sure she's going to be a lot better at video games than I ever was.

If she doesn't like old-school RPGs, I'm not really going to stress out on it, not everybody wants to whip out a pad of graph paper and draw maps, and read lists of spells from a manual trying to figure out what class combination is optimal.  I'm sure she'll be amazingly better at some types of games that we as ancient cane-waving forum goers can't even imagine at the moment, and she'll look pityingly upon us and our subpar skills where we can't even handle the kind of mental gymnastics it takes to follow the new types of brain-stretching, because our brains are calcified into old-school patterns that aren't relevant.

Oh i thought this was about pencil and paper RPG =/