Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Timukas

So you calling people trolls because they do not like Tera? This is not Tera thread but thread on both games. I do not like anything in Tera tbh. If I want a game without auto-target then I play FE where I have really nice rifles and pistols instead of ridiculous barn door sized axes.

MMOs have ridicoulus unrealistic combat mechanics so why shouldn't the weapons be like that too?

This is really a question about art. In a game like Mount and blade it would just be silly but it is actually somewhat realistic in more ways than the art.

Well there is a difference between unrealistic and plain silly.

The mega weapons you see in many Korean games looks like you are compensating for something when you wield them.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Timukas

So you calling people trolls because they do not like Tera? This is not Tera thread but thread on both games. I do not like anything in Tera tbh. If I want a game without auto-target then I play FE where I have really nice rifles and pistols instead of ridiculous barn door sized axes.

MMOs have ridicoulus unrealistic combat mechanics so why shouldn't the weapons be like that too?

This is really a question about art. In a game like Mount and blade it would just be silly but it is actually somewhat realistic in more ways than the art.

It is a matter of taste really. Of course I don't mind people playing Tera, I was just saying why I'll never play it myself.

Originally posted by afoaa

Originally posted by Loke666

MMOs have ridicoulus unrealistic combat mechanics so why shouldn't the weapons be like that too?

This is really a question about art. In a game like Mount and blade it would just be silly but it is actually somewhat realistic in more ways than the art.

Well there is a difference between unrealistic and plain silly.

The mega weapons you see in many Korean games looks like you are compensating for something when you wield them.

TERA actually has a good reason for the oversized weapons. Balancing. In a game where the weapon actually has to touch the enemy to hit, weapon size matters. Otherwise, the melee classes would be gimped. Notice how the Ranged classes' weapons arent oversized? Yeah.

Plus, I mean...come on....World of Warcraft? It's the very epitome of oversized weapons.

Originally posted by Siecefire

Why is Tera not as popular as Rift....

Becuase Tera is a Korean made game that will be a complete bull s**t grind fest just like Aion was.

I found more grind in Rift than in Tera, atleast thats how it is in the first 25 levels that i raised my chars in both games, dunno what can happen later on.

And for the guy who said that west devs. frist make a good gameplay and then take care about other stuff.... lol... i mean... LOL... so yeah AoC, WAR, Lotro, Champions Online and Vanguard are very good examples of quality west products in regards of gameplay, the game can be bad or good no matter where its from, thinking otherwise is just dumb.

TERA is a korean made game. So when it comes to the western world it will be like AION. Grinding mindlessly until you'r eyes bleed.

Originally posted by xtoaster

TERA is a korean made game. So when it comes to the western world it will be like AION. Grinding mindlessly until you'r eyes bleed.

Tbh, I've played both Tera and Aion, the grind was not the same. Compared to recent Rift's beta it was much less grindtastic and way more fun, at least at the first 20 levels that I reached in both games. You can't possibly have more fun in Rift than in Tera at those levels.

Those who have played Tera seemed to think  it is atypical of Korean games but the prejudice against Korean games is hard to fight.

Personally I love Tera's art style, especially in how sexy (the females) and manly (the males) are depicted, as opposed to most western inspired artists. These games are not reality simulators, so I don't see why they need to portray people as asexual. And when I say asexual, I don't mean ugly. There is one thing to be ugly, that at least provokes emotions. There is another to be bland, average, lacking identity. 

I hope I made myself clear.

Because I have played Rift and had fun, whereas I've only seen some screenshots and info about TERA. I might be a bit cynical, but I've learned to not to be too hyped about something I haven't been able to test myself.

Said it on Zam

Terra is a mock attempt at westernizing yet another Asian MMO

It is a grind fest.....and what is the deal with EARS in Asian MMOs ? Why cant everyone have normal ears....

The game is a grind, jsut like Aion and it's attempt to nab the Western Market, it will fail.

Americans like goals, Americans do not like leveling to be the primary goal.

 Leveling is a stepping stone. In order to enter X I have to hit level A. Once I can do X, I have to gather items 1-9 over a period of time to enter Z. and so on. Leveling is a stepping stone, as I said, and the Asians have yet to figure that out. Their target for THE ASIAN MARKET is keep a person engrossed in the leveling aspect and to make it less painful HERES OUR ITEM SHOP ! GAIN 20% MORE EXP FOR 1 HOUR FOR 3.00 !!!!

Yah, they are not the brightest bunch of R and D groups. They have no clue how Americans think and view gaming and they never will because once they break that mold,then every Asian playing their games will walk away....because Asians, unlike Americans, love the elvel Grind...give me 200 more levels and a gain rate that takes me 3 years to hit it and I will spend me hard earned money,,,that's the Asian POV

Because Rift is a fact we see , and Tera is still just a mirrage.

Lots of clueless stereotyping there friend. 

Besides, Aion was never a level grind. If you believe that, then you never played a level grinding game. It is however a gear grind, which follows the philosophy of the most successful western MMO.

Tera is an unknown at this point. Unknown combat mechanisms, unknown levelling progression, unknown end game content. It's easier to feel more excited about a game that you have more info, you played and you ended up liking than something that you have only second hand information.

Originally posted by elocke

Because Tera only offers innovation in combat.  Woopdie doo.  AoC did that too and look what happened.  Rift offers POLISHED gameplay with the first true Dynamic content to hit the MMO scene.

I suspect that Tera will drop at least as polished as Rift (which just means it works in this case). I personaly think Tera will also feature a lot more world fluff and better character creation and that that and other features will give it a longer life overall.

and personally, after the first or second weekend, I found the randomly popping spawn points to zerg called rifts tedious and was going out of my way to avoid. They arnt what i thought of when Trion was selling 'dynamic' all that time ago tbh.

I am no fan of Tera, I won't be buying it, but to my mind if someone forced me to play one of these games it would be Tera. Rift was so mundane and boring in it's cut'n'paste approach.

IMO, people that want vitual knitting simulators to just keep their hands busy after a day at work will go for rift, because it demands little, while people looking for a game to engage, switch them on, them and challange them will go for Tera.

Originally posted by elocke

Because Tera only offers innovation in combat.  Woopdie doo.  AoC did that too and look what happened.  Rift offers POLISHED gameplay with the first true Dynamic content to hit the MMO scene.

or let's call that random public quests ^^

Originally posted by Ciccero

Said it on Zam

Terra is a mock attempt at westernizing yet another Asian MMO

It is a grind fest.....and what is the deal with EARS in Asian MMOs ? Why cant everyone have normal ears....

The game is a grind, jsut like Aion and it's attempt to nab the Western Market, it will fail.

Americans like goals, Americans do not like leveling to be the primary goal.

 Leveling is a stepping stone. In order to enter X I have to hit level A. Once I can do X, I have to gather items 1-9 over a period of time to enter Z. and so on. Leveling is a stepping stone, as I said, and the Asians have yet to figure that out. Their target for THE ASIAN MARKET is keep a person engrossed in the leveling aspect and to make it less painful HERES OUR ITEM SHOP ! GAIN 20% MORE EXP FOR 1 HOUR FOR 3.00 !!!!

 

Yah, they are not the brightest bunch of R and D groups. They have no clue how Americans think and view gaming and they never will because once they break that mold,then every Asian playing their games will walk away....because Asians, unlike Americans, love the elvel Grind...give me 200 more levels and a gain rate that takes me 3 years to hit it and I will spend me hard earned money,,,that's the Asian POV

Not of what you said made any sense. Its was way over generalized and not very true. The asian market has know what americans want for a long time. Its funny people keeps saying they don't know our market. Remember Nintendo? Where do you think that came from? Also its not the Korean marketer pushing the game to the US its Americans. Point is the MMO market has changed  and that's why it feels like all Korean MMO's are grinders because thats what their auidence like. They are just kind enough to go thru the trouble of shooting us a copy. If you don't like it don't play its not hard. But don't go around acting like you know anything marketing. Clearly, they know out market well.

Originally posted by afoaa

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Timukas

So you calling people trolls because they do not like Tera? This is not Tera thread but thread on both games. I do not like anything in Tera tbh. If I want a game without auto-target then I play FE where I have really nice rifles and pistols instead of ridiculous barn door sized axes.

MMOs have ridicoulus unrealistic combat mechanics so why shouldn't the weapons be like that too?

This is really a question about art. In a game like Mount and blade it would just be silly but it is actually somewhat realistic in more ways than the art.

Well there is a difference between unrealistic and plain silly.

The mega weapons you see in many Korean games looks like you are compensating for something when you wield them.

So you don't like the asian themed art style, so that makes it silly? Fanstasy has always had oversixed weapons and this game is no different. Look at any fantasty MMO. Why does this one in particular mean you have to be over compensating? Its a game and its silly to analyize fake creatures.

Originally posted by afoaa

People have been burned off by Korean games with beautiful graphics and crappy gameplay for too long to trust a new super shiny graphic game from there.

In the west you make the gameplay good first and THEN you focus on looks else the game will fail no matter how much shine you put on it. Many western games make the same mistake of putting shine first but they always dwindle away.

There are also other elements that really really annoy many people in the west. One is weird movement systems, weird sounds, over girly female characters, too big weapons and too much flashy graphics. Lately the japanese game fashion of putting way too small heads on big bodies is adding to the annoyance.

People in the west want games to give them interesting and fun gameplay that is varied, and once that is achieved give them figures that they can identify with either from the real world of the fantasy worlds of their youth which in many cases are from comics. Most eastern games give neither.

You ammusing what Everyone wants in the west? I'm also assuming that you tried every Asian MMO? I'm not trying to be a smartass but I think you are getting these idea from your own annoyances of Asian games. Its your opinion and far from fact.

Originally posted by Lathander81

Originally posted by afoaa

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Timukas

So you calling people trolls because they do not like Tera? This is not Tera thread but thread on both games. I do not like anything in Tera tbh. If I want a game without auto-target then I play FE where I have really nice rifles and pistols instead of ridiculous barn door sized axes.

MMOs have ridicoulus unrealistic combat mechanics so why shouldn't the weapons be like that too?

This is really a question about art. In a game like Mount and blade it would just be silly but it is actually somewhat realistic in more ways than the art.

Well there is a difference between unrealistic and plain silly.

The mega weapons you see in many Korean games looks like you are compensating for something when you wield them.

So you don't like the asian themed art style, so that makes it silly? Fanstasy has always had oversixed weapons and this game is no different. Look at any fantasty MMO. Why does this one in particular mean you have to be over compensating? Its a game and its silly to analyize fake creatures.

actually it's just the asians who need those huge ones, european and american fantasy never really got into those BIIIIIG weapons :)

in europe only the scotts ever used weapons nearly as big, and i doubt americans ever did (unless you count complete nuklear over-arming)

personally i allways prefered the robin hood style weapons, realistic ones, but hell, berzerk was fun too :)

Gosh, I would think this answer would be even more obvious then the one about why wow is the standard lol.

Originally posted by Ciccero

Said it on Zam

Terra is a mock attempt at westernizing yet another Asian MMO

It is a grind fest.....and what is the deal with EARS in Asian MMOs ? Why cant everyone have normal ears....

The game is a grind, jsut like Aion and it's attempt to nab the Western Market, it will fail.

Americans like goals, Americans do not like leveling to be the primary goal.

 Leveling is a stepping stone. In order to enter X I have to hit level A. Once I can do X, I have to gather items 1-9 over a period of time to enter Z. and so on. Leveling is a stepping stone, as I said, and the Asians have yet to figure that out. Their target for THE ASIAN MARKET is keep a person engrossed in the leveling aspect and to make it less painful HERES OUR ITEM SHOP ! GAIN 20% MORE EXP FOR 1 HOUR FOR 3.00 !!!!

 

Yah, they are not the brightest bunch of R and D groups. They have no clue how Americans think and view gaming and they never will because once they break that mold,then every Asian playing their games will walk away....because Asians, unlike Americans, love the elvel Grind...give me 200 more levels and a gain rate that takes me 3 years to hit it and I will spend me hard earned money,,,that's the Asian POV

I know where you're coming from having played FFXI myself. But a lot was going on right from the start till the end. I liked FFXI, so I'm hoping I'll like Tera.