Originally posted by Solestran

Originally posted by zigmund

Stiff... I'm not too impressed with the next gen combat at all.

I'm playing DC Universe this week instead of playing Rift.

I logged into Rift for 20 minutes, played and promptly logged out.

Rift is a "better" game, but DC Universe is more "fun", DCU movement and combat feels more fluid and alive.

I like slower paced combat, it's one of the reasons why I love MMOs so much.  If I wanted fast paced, console style gameplay, I'd like play on a console or gasp, jump into first person shooters.  There's a reason why games like Rift are labeled as MMORPGs.  You don't go to a baseball field and expect them to play football, do you?

But who is to say that slow paced dice rolling combat is what makes an MMORPG an MMORPG?  In my opinion, that is not one of the staple features in MMORPG's like shooting and getting shot is in FPS's.  There are other games trying to do something different as far as combat goes.  If they succeed are people going to continue to believe that this is all that MMORPG's have to offer when it comes to combat?  

Originally posted by Solestran

Originally posted by zigmund

Stiff... I'm not too impressed with the next gen combat at all.

I'm playing DC Universe this week instead of playing Rift.

I logged into Rift for 20 minutes, played and promptly logged out.

Rift is a "better" game, but DC Universe is more "fun", DCU movement and combat feels more fluid and alive.

I like slower paced combat, it's one of the reasons why I love MMOs so much.  If I wanted fast paced, console style gameplay, I'd like play on a console or gasp, jump into first person shooters.  There's a reason why games like Rift are labeled as MMORPGs.  You don't go to a baseball field and expect them to play football, do you?

Originally posted by Zippy

While i will agree that Rift combat and classes do not have the depth of a game like Vanguard but then it also is not as simplistic and easy as a game like AoC where one just follows the arrows.  I know a lot of the ADHD kiddies do not like thoughtful combat and push for systems that require less thought like AoC.  But those players will never have the patience to play a MMO longer than a few months anyway.  Rather they will spend their time bashing games on message boards.

This is kind of off topic but how was AoC's combat more simplistic than your normal MMOPRG combat? In your normal MMOPRG you have auto attack, in AoC you had to press different directional buttons to attack (tryimg to connect on each attack) while moving and casting spells.

I agree with OP that Rifts combat could be more fun but the same goes for every single MMO that is ever made.

Rifts combat is not better nor worse than Wow, EQ 1 & 2s, LOTROs and the rest. The most fun combat I ever had in MMORPGs/CORPGs is still in Guildwars and it's combat system is very spartan and far from perfect.

AoC and TCoS both tried to improve combat but neither succeded. GW2 and TERA is next that will try, I hope at least one of them do better.

I am the first one to say that MMO combat should be more fun, but I don't see the point of singeling out Rifts combat mechanics. MMOs need more fun combat, we spend so much of the game time fighting that it should be more fun.

I will make a thread later about how I think MMO combat should be improved, no need to spamm this thread with loads of text.

Originally posted by Aeon

Originally posted by Solestran

Originally posted by zigmund

Stiff... I'm not too impressed with the next gen combat at all.

I'm playing DC Universe this week instead of playing Rift.

I logged into Rift for 20 minutes, played and promptly logged out.

Rift is a "better" game, but DC Universe is more "fun", DCU movement and combat feels more fluid and alive.

I like slower paced combat, it's one of the reasons why I love MMOs so much.  If I wanted fast paced, console style gameplay, I'd like play on a console or gasp, jump into first person shooters.  There's a reason why games like Rift are labeled as MMORPGs.  You don't go to a baseball field and expect them to play football, do you?

But who is to say that slow paced dice rolling combat is what makes an MMORPG an MMORPG?  In my opinion, that is not one of the staple features in MMORPG's like shooting and getting shot is in FPS's.  There are other games trying to do something different as far as combat goes.  If they succeed are people going to continue to believe that this is all that MMORPG's have to offer when it comes to combat?  

No, they'll probably play a game they enjoy instead of being upset that a game doesn't have what they enjoy.

Originally posted by Playa10

This is kind of off topic but how was AoC's combat more simplistic than your normal MMOPRG combat? In your normal MMOPRG you have auto attack, in AoC you had to press different directional buttons to attack (tryimg to connect on each attack) while moving and casting spells.

That didn't impress me at all. AoCs combat do have one really great thing however: The collision detection. No need to aim, if your sword hits you hit the oponent if not you miss. That part is brilliant and something other MMOs should add as well.

The directions were a rather bad compromize of the original idea and what other games have. It were supposed to be closer to Tekken originally but the Alpha testers didn't like that.

Originally posted by arenasb

Well I don't know. I find the combat a heck of a lot better than in LotRO (for example).

wow they both share the same combat system click action bars. click and click nothing new to me. it even has the same UI as everquest 2 and wow click bars to hit and use spells.......

I happen to have no problem with the actual mechanics of Rift's WoW-like combat. Those mechanics work just fine for an RPG. 

My problem with Rift's combat is that the combat animations and sound are pretty lame. It makes a difference. In my opinion, Aion, which uses the same basic mechanics, has much more satisfying combat simply because the animation and sounds are better.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Originally posted by Loke666

I agree with OP that Rifts combat could be more fun but the same goes for every single MMO that is ever made.

Rifts combat is not better nor worse than Wow, EQ 1 & 2s, LOTROs and the rest. The most fun combat I ever had in MMORPGs/CORPGs is still in Guildwars and it's combat system is very spartan and far from perfect.

AoC and TCoS both tried to improve combat but neither succeded. GW2 and TERA is next that will try, I hope at least one of them do better.

I am the first one to say that MMO combat should be more fun, but I don't see the point of singeling out Rifts combat mechanics. MMOs need more fun combat, we spend so much of the game time fighting that it should be more fun.

I will make a thread later about how I think MMO combat should be improved, no need to spamm this thread with loads of text.

I never said Rift was a bad game.  I just said the combat is the same MMO combat that I have played before and its old to me now.  I agree with what he said because he doesn't believe that the combat in an MMO has to always be the same thing over and over again and that it can different or even more fun instead of just accepting that it is what it is.

Originally posted by monoth

Originally posted by Dyrtt

Frankly, if you don't like the combat in Rift, then you probably don't like it in WOW, EQ, EQ2, WAR, AC2, DAOC, FFXI, Lineage 2, LOTRO, etc...  I'm sure there are more but these are the only ones I've played that share this identical combat system. 

 

I like it alright.  Certainly not the best MMO combat I've experienced but it does the job. 

 

Here's the thing, I like Strawberry Ice Cream, but if all I ate was Strawberry Ice Cream over the last 8 years I might get sick of it....  Doesn't change the fact that I used to like it once upon a time

Right, as if you wouldn't eat another bowl of Strawberry Ice Cream tomorrow if that's the only flavor there was to eat.  It's still ice cream and still good.

Originally posted by Solestran

I like slower paced combat, it's one of the reasons why I love MMOs so much.  If I wanted fast paced, console style gameplay, I'd like play on a console or gasp, jump into first person shooters.  There's a reason why games like Rift are labeled as MMORPGs.  You don't go to a baseball field and expect them to play football, do you?

The pace in itself does not matter that much. The real difference should be more about strategy.

I agree that FPS like twitch combat isn't more fun than current combat.

MMOs needs a new and more strategic way of handeling combat. Because frankly do I think tactics matters too little.

MMO combat is made by someone who never even lifted a real sword. You usually click your keys in more or less the same way every combat, with some possible defense skill against certain things. That is not enough.

I believe that you can mix strategy and wits into a new and interesting combat system. The winner of a RPG combat should not be the one that clicks slightly faster but the one with best strategy. 

Now it feels like strategy have little importance, the 2 things that matters is mainly gear and levels. You rarely get surprised in combat and that goes from both PvP and PvE.

After playing DCUO, every other MMOs combat seems boring.

Originally posted by jusomdude

After playing DCUO, every other MMOs combat seems boring.

I think that is because you done the same thing for so long. If it truly is fun or not will take some months to find out.

Originally posted by arenasb

Well I don't know. I find the combat a heck of a lot better than in LotRO (for example).

Rubbish lol.

Go play a burglar in LOTRO and then play anyone of the rogue classes in rift,the rift rogue classes are lacking in imagination and utility. You may have all those souls and skills but 60% of them are just repeats with different names. All the classes in lotro are well though out and enjoyable.

As i have said before rift is as button mashing as you can get. You have all these skills but you use 3-4 of them unless they are buffs.

The combat is the worse thing about it not the best. Are you telling me that with 50 million they could not include voices in combat or quests bag for quest items or crafting bags?

The cat is out of the bag and now more people are getting into the beta you will se more of the same thread as this.

Ill say it again..RIFT is no better than Rune Of Magic and should be FTP it's that simple.

You really think RIFT will compete with the other MMO coming out this year or early 2012. As a matter of  fact everything i am hearing and seeing of Tera makes RIFT less appealing and that's an Asian MMO which i have never played before.

Nah ill stick with Vanguard because rift really is boring. After 4 betas and two level 27 or should i say one 29 they can keep it.

Originally posted by NightAngell

Originally posted by arenasb

Well I don't know. I find the combat a heck of a lot better than in LotRO (for example).

Rubbish lol.

Go play a burglar in LOTRO and then play anyone of the rogue classes in rift,the rift rogue classes are lacking in imagination and utility. You may have all those souls and skills but 60% of them are just repeats with different names. All the classes in lotro are well though out and enjoyable.

 

As i have said before rift is as button mashing as you can get. You have all these skills but you use 3-4 of them unless they are buffs.

The combat is the worse thing about it not the best. Are you telling me that with 50 million they could not include voices in combat or quests bag for quest items or crafting bags?

The cat is out of the bag and now more people are getting into the beta you will se more of the same thread as this.

Ill say it again..RIFT is no better than Rune Of Magic and should be FTP it's that simple.

You really think RIFT will compete with the other MMO coming out this year or early 2012. As a matter of  fact everything i am hearing and seeing of Tera makes RIFT less appealing and that's an Asian MMO which i have never played before.

Nah ill stick with Vanguard because rift really is boring. After 4 betas and two level 27 or should i say one 29 they can keep it.

Well said.

The King commends your observation.

If it's a matter of animation LotRO and RIFT both sort of have the same problem. Plus a global cooldown sort of gives them similar pacing.

But in RIFT as you spend points just across 2 trees for a rogue you'll have so many direct damage skills that are just similar with possibly an element swap who give you the same combo point, similar damage, and there's no consideration of speed or cooldown since it's global.

arenasb chose his words poorly.

then please leave nightangel. your the worst kind of mmo person. Spreading doom and gloom everywhere you go about the most stupidest things. Thank god you are leaving

Originally posted by Sxadana

then please leave nightangel. your the worst kind of mmo person. Spreading doom and gloom everywhere you go about the most stupidest things. Thank god you are leaving

Your grammar and speech pattern begs me to ask:

Are you Glenn Beck?

If so, you owe me money.

But regardless, where do you rank fervent fanbois on your educated and peer-reviewed listing of mmo persons?

Originally posted by NightAngell

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Nah ill stick with Vanguard because rift really is boring. After 4 betas and two level 27 or should i say one 29 they can keep it.

Too bad Vanguard is dead development wise then, isn't it?

Originally posted by eddieg50

 similar to war in its pve

I feel the same.

Combat is so old school , its more old school than even WOW

The game is great. But PVE combat is "Yavn fest"

But I guess some people like that. So they can automate the grind better, i guess ?

I agree, honestly I don't like rift at all. Total disappointment.