I'm not playing Rift yet,

I love mmorpg.com.  This is where you get to see both sides.  This is where you get to see REAL TIME assessments from a NON-DEV point of view. It's to the point that you can't lesson to the devs at all.

I've read two post :

- Unbiased Rift Bata review ( positive )

- Rift, not for me ( negative )

At first I viewed " Unbiased Rift review "  This had me soo pumped up that I began viewing Youtube videos.  First were dev related and this still held my attention.  But then I viewed actual game play where it began to go down hill.  I played most all mmo's and I'm sorry it just reminded me of Warhammer in both game play and graphics.  It seemed as if its just PQ's all over again, but yet Warhammer at least has RvR. ( Yes, I understand Rift has PvP )

Then I viewed " Rift, not for me "  here is where I confirmed my suspicions.  Rift seems to me that it's just a never ending annoying PQ generator that will be coming at you non stop forever ( kind of like the Terminator ).

Thank GOD for mmorpg.com.  Wth the help of you guys, and Youtube, I can make a NON-DEV assessment and be sure that Rift will become boring and irritating very quickly.

So Iwould like to thank everyone involved both positive and negative post :).........After all it's us against the DEV'S !!

Originally posted by page

I'm not playing Rift yet,

I love mmorpg.com.  This is where you get to see both sides.  This is where you get to see REAL TIME assessments from a NON-DEV point of view. It's to the point that you can't lesson to the devs at all.

 

I've read two post :

- Unbiased Rift Bata review ( positive )

- Rift, not for me ( negative )

At first I viewed " Unbiased Rift review "  This had me soo pumped up that I began viewing Youtube videos.  First were dev related and this still held my attention.  But then I viewed actual game play where it began to go down hill.  I played most all mmo's and I'm sorry it just reminded me of Warhammer in both game play and graphics.  It seemed as if its just PQ's all over again, but yet Warhammer at least has RvR. ( Yes, I understand Rift has PvP )

Then I viewed " Rift, not for me "  here is where I confirmed my suspicions.  Rift seems to me that it's just a never ending annoying PQ generator that will be coming at you non stop forever ( kind of like the Terminator ).

 

Thank GOD for mmorpg.com.  Wth the help of you guys, and Youtube, I can make a NON-DEV assessment and be sure that Rift will become boring and irritating very quickly.

So Iwould like to thank everyone involved both positive and negative post :).........After all it's us against the DEV'S !!

Hm, I really don't have any final answer. I am the same on the fence as you. For me, the game is just too hectic with endless invasions. I didn't like this in WAR or Tabula Rasa. I need a bit toned down hectic and stress, not this ENDLESS war everywhere. It's just appalling me. But as the game is under work, I'll watch and see. Trion has proven to really make huge changes during the beta, so I want to see first where it heads to.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not playing.  But with Warhammer you can ignore PQ's if your not in the mood, or plan on doing quest or RvR.   With Rift, you have to or at least should react to a PQ. 

This sounds as if it could be irritating, repetitive if your not in the mood, is this right ?

Originally posted by page

Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not playing.  But with Warhammer you can ignore PQ's if your not in the mood, or plan on doing quest or RvR.   With Rift, you have to or at least should react to a PQ. 

This sounds as if it could be irritating, repetitive if your not in the mood, is this right ?

I honestly avoid rifts as much as possible. As long as you craft it's not a big issue because you can get gear outside of quests.

Besides the megarifts, the low level rifts are really dull and repetitive. The higher tier rifts get a little more interesting.

It is odd that they force one aspect of gameplay so much.

Yes, you do not need to even touch a rift invasion if you don't want to.  You will need to be on your guard though if your just walking down a path and an invasion is headed for the city behind you, they will kill you if you dont get off the road quick enough. 

Completly optional, same for the zone-wide events where the entire faction has a win and loss scenario.  Most of the time the faction loses because players don't want to join in the fight and do their quests.

Sometimes you don't have any other option than run or fight back as there is no safe spot in Rift. Once I logged into invasion several levels higher and was killed in seconds :) Honestly, that was fun :)

It really depends on what you want in a game.

I think most of us agree that Rift is the best game that have released ibn quite a while but that really doesn't say much.

I will give you my personal pros and cons at least:

Pros:

Solid. Well coded even if some high end GFX cards performs so so. Not buggy like AoC, WAR, VG, STO and most other games at launch.

Scaling PQs. Rifts and invasions actually scales and that is a rather huge thing.

Great customization mechanics. You can make a lot of different things with the soul system.

Cons:

Not much really new. Most of the things in the game is stuff all other games have and it feels a bit like a mix between WAR and WOW. That might not be a con for everyone.

Linear: You go from quest hub to quest hub doing quests around it, few are quests you havn't done a zillion times in other games.

Not "next gen at all". They should fire their marketting for saying something like this. Rift is a rather traditional MMO with a few new features but far from next gen.

This is not a review, I would have to play a lot more to do one of those. There is a lot of things that were neither a pro or a con like crafting and average looking graphics but I didn't list those either.

Only you can decide if a game is for you. Anyone who is 100% positive or negative in this case can't really see the entire picture. Rift is the best MMO that launched in a rather long while but I don't know who it really competes with. But when I looked on the 4 games Rift, TERA, GW2 and TOR the last year I personally seen Rift more as old faithful than something really new, all the other 3s offer a lot more innovation.

If you like WAR and WOW but want something new you really should try it out. If you hate these 2 games you should probably wait for something else.

Really what you need to do is take into account that everything is ramped up right now.   Its been stated several times in game and in beta forums that the frequency of the rifts and invasions has been turned way up so we can test that aspect of the game.   Since its such a big part of their design they want to get it right.  The rifts and invasions when running normally really just react to zone populations more or less.  So during the beta there will be tons of them,  one because they are set to an increased spawning rate,  and two because nearly all the beta population is stuck in one zone so its reacting to a constantly high zone population.  

So i would suggest before making any ill informed snap judgements you should take into account that this very aspect your bitching about is currently the heaviest tested.  And has been intentionally set to happen with far greater frequency than its supposed for testing purposes.   Most of the people that cry about this dont have a clue so your are basing your judgement off of reviews that have neglected to tell you this.

On a side note you dont have to have anything to do with rifts of invasions if you choose not to.   But really if used correctly they can be a nice change of pace from the questing, or pvp, or crafting, or dungeons.

Originally posted by page

Rift seems to me that it's just a never ending annoying PQ generator that will be coming at you non stop forever ( kind of like the Terminator ).

 

Thank GOD for mmorpg.com.  Wth the help of you guys, and Youtube, I can make a NON-DEV assessment and be sure that Rift will become boring and irritating very quickly.

So Iwould like to thank everyone involved both positive and negative post :).........After all it's us against the DEV'S !!

Don't be too quick to dismiss Rift even though the games can appear similar at times.

After watching similar videos and reading similar posts, I too had the impression that Rift was like WAR with endless PQs.

But after actually getting in game to see for myself I found it not like WAR but very fun.

Preorder to get in the next 'beta' and see for yourself - you can always cancel.


Look at which guilds are in the Alpha test, are keeping their mouths shut, and are consistently in game.

The Rift Alpha Test = the real beta test.

The Rift Beta Test = the best MMO marketing campaign to date.

I was unsure as to whether I liked the game at first or not. It has such a familiar feeling. I felt like I was playing a mashed-up version of WAR, LotRO and Vanguard but after playing for a short period of time, I realized that I actually really dug the game. I think they have a lot of room for growth.

One of the sore points for me, currently, is the character customization. It has a lot of room for improvement but the lack of hairstyles and the lack of a body slider (weight, not height) bothers me slightly. The other sore point, is the current lack of AA and from what I've read I'm not sure they're putting it in, honestly I'm pretty confused over it.

Aside from that, I think that they have a decent MMO on their hands and Trion seems to really be on top of things, especially communication. They seem to have a really good team set up.

I'm interested to see where the game heads from here, so I've pre-ordered CE. I figure an extra $10 (I ordered through Steam) isn't a whole lot out of pocket and I'd buy the game eventually, even just to try it later on, so... it's worth it to me.

I guess at the end of the day, if you're expecting some life-changing MMO, something that changes the face of MMO's as a whole, this isn't the game for you. But if you like MMO's like WoW, WAR, LotRO, etc. than you're probably going to do pretty well with this one because it follows the "traditional" MMO recipe.

I suppose graphics are art, and art is subjective, but at no point in the game was I ever reminded of WAR from a visual standpoint. The rifts are a lot like mobile PQs, however. That said, the fact that they force on aspect of gameplay doesn't seem strange to me. I don't recall anyone thinking it was strange that SB forced PvP/GvG, since that was the main point of that game. The invasion of Telara is a central point in the lore, and literally the reason one's character even exists. Also, they aren't likely to be nearly so common at launch, as others have pointed out. 

Of course, not everyone is going to like this game, or any other game out there. A wise man once said:

"you can't please everyone, so you have to please yourself"

I would never blithely make my judgement on a game I could test myself simply because I am the best judge of what I will like. The only time I will take some other person's assessment is when I am not interested in the game.Then I am content to console myself that my instincts were accurate as I nod sagely while reading another person's review. In every other case I am too vain to admit that anyone else can have a better compass than me on what makes a game good or bad ...oh yes I am that arrogant but it is only to myself .

If I were you I would play it for myself before making a decision on a game that is receiving varying degrees of reviews. At least with FFXIV the reviews seem to tilt in one direction I do not think Rift is in that position and I believe you owe it to yourself to check it out and personally I  think you will regret it making your judgement solely on what is posted here.

Anyone who is not liking the constant invasions, they've only upped the spawn for beta reasons. Stress testing to see how far their servers can handle such huge events. Along with the beta events which were also flooding the world with rifts. So anyone who thinks this will be how the game is at launch, should really do a little bit more reading than viewing beta footage on standard quality.

Originally posted by catch2two

Anyone who is not liking the constant invasions, they've only upped the spawn for beta reasons. Stress testing to see how far their servers can handle such huge events. Along with the beta events which were also flooding the world with rifts. So anyone who thinks this will be how the game is at launch, should really do a little bit more reading than viewing beta footage on standard quality.

This not completely true either. Remember this beta isnt your typical beta stage. Trion is using it as a means to market their game. It is why Abigale stated that beta was mostly for marketing (selling and hyping the game) before it even started. Beta keys were turned into lottery tickets and given out at conventions, facebook pages, twitter pages, forums and game related websites in droves. It is also why the NDA was lifted right after the Beta 1 event.

Most of the stress testing has already been done, now its at the phase where they are adjusting the gameplay so it will be balanced upon release. Rifts naturally will carry the game, so they will be heavily present during launch too DEPENDING on the number of players in that zone. Remember, more players in a zone = more spawns. Beta is pretty much flooded with people in a few small zones.

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Originally posted by page

Then I viewed " Rift, not for me "  here is where I confirmed my suspicions. 

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There is just no trying to rebut this when someone has so solidly made up their mind from second/third hand info when they could have just as easily gotten into the beta to do it first hand.

If the beta WASN'T available to try it, it could be understood. But when it is.. well, no sense trying to convey what it's actually like.

Good luck in your next mmo, whatever it may be. :)

       Although i pre-orderd the game i am sceptic, so far all we have seen in Beta is one area, the content seems to be ok, but i do worry about being lvl 50 and seeing the same content as i did at lvl 20 (but with higher lvl mobs), its the End content that im watching for (as im sure it is for all of us) will it be worth it when we get there?

          i dont have a problem droppen this in the trash like Warhammer, Aion, horizons, after a couple months play.

     Exploration, Adventure, its what we all Crave,

Originally posted by popinjay
Too bad.

There is just no trying to rebut this when someone has so solidly made up their mind from second/third hand info when they could have just as easily gotten into the beta to do it first hand

If the beta WASN'T available to try it, it could be understood. But when it is.. well, no sense trying to convey what it's actually like.

Good luck in your next mmo, whatever it may be. :)

Sometimes you can judge if you like a game or not on really small things. If you hate PvP you wont like Darkfall. If you can't stand instances you should stay away from Guildwars and DDO.

I usually know I won't like a few of the games that comes out just by reading a few lines, maybe 5-10%. Rift wasn't like that and I might start playing it later actually but I can understand some people just can see that it isn't for them.

Someone who just like sandboxes for one thing won't like Rift. Trying the beta would just be a waste of time for someone like that.

Originally posted by Reeper

       Although i pre-orderd the game i am sceptic, so far all we have seen in Beta is one area, the content seems to be ok, but i do worry about being lvl 50 and seeing the same content as i did at lvl 20 (but with higher lvl mobs), its the End content that im watching for (as im sure it is for all of us) will it be worth it when we get there?

          i dont have a problem droppen this in the trash like Warhammer, Aion, horizons, after a couple months play.

     Exploration, Adventure, its what we all Crave,

Chances are that it like most MMOs needs an expansion or 2 to be what it should be.

But I don't think anyone here know much about the endgame.

Still, if you play it for a month or 2 it is worth the box cost at least so even in worst case it is not a complete waste of money and time then.

We will sooner or later quit any game and if we have fun for a month, a year or 5 years really doesn't matter that much as long as we have fun. :)

Still, lets hope they have an endgame from launch and don't patch it in later like certain other games....