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Originally posted by TyrellJonez

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Originally posted by monstermmo
Personally i have every expectation of getting a lifetime sub, thats how much i like it. Im of course gonna give it the full 30 days and play the crap out of it but the beta had me hooked right away and only got better the more i played. I just enjoyed it more than i ever expected. I expect ill still wanna get the lifetime after my first 30 days but ya never know!
Im also looking forward to the old republic.

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Couldn't agree more, but i'm not as finanically stable so soon after the holidays to afford the lifetime sub for DCUO.
 
Pretty much, if you ARE financially stable and have disposable income (yeah, crazy term right?) you won't mind subbing to DCUO even if you only play moderately or play multiple games.
 
Its not that "its a bad game" it just sounds like people are saying "its good, but not worth the money" which is weird because if you enjoy playing it then  why get cheap and not support and continue playing it? Probably comes back to the budget thing.
 
Back on the gamepad topic, gamepads are NOT obsolete. Its personal preference and i still love my 4 year old gamepad. Still functions and has a use to me (assassins creed 1 and 2 for starters)
 
I think SoE was trying to show that MMOs can be done differently. That you don't need 15 powers, different stances and other stuff to enjoy an MMO or be classified as an MMO. Hell console gamers can just grab a gamepad and jump right in. =)

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Originally posted by lizardbones

 

Your question kind of answers itself. Compared to other games out there, they have the opinion that DCUO is a good game in its own right, but it isn't worth paying $15 a month to play. For me it's not a budget thing, there's just not enough there to spend $15 on when I can spend it somewhere else and get more of what I want. That doesn't mean DCUO is a bad game, or that I think other people shouldn't spend $15 a month on it. Just means I won't.

To each his own bro. You like broadswords, i like batarangs =)

Then you have people like myself who subscribe to Sony's Station Access plan.  I probably would not be willing to pay 15 dollars per month for DCUO as it is.  But since they're adding it for free to the subscription I already pay for all their other games, it's essentially a buy-to-play for me, and it is DEFINITELY worth that.  It adds some much needed value to the Station Access as well.  Might be a good time for others to look into it...people that want to go back to Vanguard as well, for example.  And Planetside is still alot of fun.

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Originally posted by TyrellJonez

I'm 26,

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No offense, but this is not old, lol. You have barely begun to use your hands at 26 years old.

This is the prime demo for this game and exactly the age they are looking for.

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Originally posted by DeathStroke


I'm 34 so I'm not a "young" gamer, as much as that pains me to say.

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I think you guys misunderstand... when you get past 40, you will be considered an "old" gamer. You know,. from Pong days.

Things BEFORE gamepads and controllers.

Just dust off some history books and you'll know what I mean. Most of 'my' group are playing PC mmos, we don't mess around with this type of action game... we usually leave that for younger console players. That's the point I was making.

We buy rigs and play actual MMOs with keyboards and such and this is the group that isn't going to stick with this game long. Regardless of the old Saturday morning Justice League ones we grew up with.

I don't know about you guys but I have paid $15 a month to play some really crappy games at launch. And most never get any better. With DCU online, I already know that Green Lantern content is coming, Additional power-sets like lightning, atomic, and light have already been announced (as they were in the original beta before they opened it up to the pre-order). And with an IP like DC  I am not concerned with the  addition of future content. I will gladly play for $15/ month. 

As for there being "no end-game content", that  translates into "I hate PVP" and that's cool, but to say that content is not there is just wrong. There is plenty of content, IF you like PVP. which I do!

And maybe I'm not a "hard-core" MMO'er but the prospect of NOT needing to make 15 shirts, 20 jackets, followed by 15,000 other worthless trinkets that no-one else wants, while spending 5000+ hours searching for the crap I need to make this worthless stuff, appeals to me greatly!! 

So while this may not be a "traditional MMO" it is exactly what I am looking for!!! So I would recommend this game to anyone who wants a casual MMO game with characters you know, in a world you know with the potential for VERY deep development of the IP.

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Originally posted by Abangyarudo

 what about the game does not work?

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Chat doesn't work right. It's too borky and cumbersome to even try and console it.

The tanking system doesn't work well enough atm.

There is a lot of disconnections happening with the game.

Mobs are brainless and zerg style. Hit one and you got a ton on you. The AI is horrible in this game.

With certain combos of the mouse, the skills do not go off correctly. This has been all over the offical boards and "known issue". (in before: go buy a controller/gamepad)

There are plenty things that don't work (atm) but I'm not listing them because this is beta. But for you to say "What doesn't work?" as if everything does at this time, is dishonest.

Of course stuff is broken. It's beta. But that can pretty much be fixed.

What can't be fixed is the "fast food" nature the game has. It's not a real type of meal in a gaming sense.. more like chicken nuggets and that really can't be fixed based on the platforming limitations of a PS3.

I think the game will overall be fine for two months. After that, I don't hold much hope for it as a $15/mo sub.

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Originally posted by Biel_Wunde

As for there being "no end-game content", that  translates into "I hate PVP" and that's cool, but to say that content is not there is just wrong. There is plenty of content, IF you like PVP. which I do!

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This is actually a VERY fair point.

But the "no content" argument is very valid.

Half the dungeons are nothing more than "Heroic" versions of ones you've done before which isn't really more content.

Even the PvP stuff at the end is only going to be.. how many arena maps... before you're doing the same ones each time? Two? Three?

Basically here, the PLAYERS are the endgame content. You kinda just fight each other in the same arenas for the most part or do the same 4 Alert dungeons on "hard mode", each dungeon being about 30 minutes long.

And for that $15/mo, people are going to play things like Halo for practically free on replay value. I doubt you'll see many console player shelling out $90 for six months of game time doing this, in ADDITION to montly fees for connecting to things like Xbox Live and such.

A few year. A few will even buy lifetimes (lawl) but it's each his own.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by TyrellJonez

I'm 26,

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No offense, but this is not old, lol. You have barely begun to use your hands at 26 years old.

It is not, but when you know what it felt like when you had ur first grey hairs and were starting to be called "uncle". Its terrifying. LoL And if your a male you know you start using your hands when puberty hits. But i did play atari at 2 and never put down the controller since. i can crush a golfball with my hands....but i usually use a hammer.....

This is the prime demo for this game and exactly the age they are looking for.

 

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Originally posted by DeathStroke


I'm 34 so I'm not a "young" gamer, as much as that pains me to say.

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This isn't exactly a "old" gamer either, although you are ahead of most players.

 

I think you guys misunderstand... when you get past 40, you will be considered an "old" gamer. You know,. from Pong days.

 

Things BEFORE gamepads and controllers.

 

 

Just dust off some history books and you'll know what I mean. Most of 'my' group are playing PC mmos, we don't mess around with this type of action game... we usually leave that for younger console players. That's the point I was making.

 

We buy rigs and play actual MMOs with keyboards and such and this is the group that isn't going to stick with this game long. Regardless of the old Saturday morning Justice League ones we grew up with.

 

I don't buy rigs i build em but thats a moot point. If you like the game, play it with your friends and enjoy it. You may decide in a month that you do wanna keep playing. Just give it that chance.

The question is not whether the game is worth monthly fees or not but whether it is worth buying and playing for a month. I'm conflicted over that. My gut says it is better to do that a while down the line.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Abangyarudo

 

 what about the game does not work?

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Chat doesn't work right. It's too borky and cumbersome to even try and console it.

 chat has a messed up filter but besides for that I don't see the issue.

The tanking system doesn't work well enough atm.

 I have a level 20 ice(Cyrogenics) tank, a level 20 fire (immolation) tank and a level 8 fire (ignition) tank so which one ain't working? The cyrogenics tank is up way past others. In pve I usually never die in pvp it usually takes 2 or more to take her down. My fire tank is ok but they should really leave reignition at 25% since it takes alot of damage.  

There is a lot of disconnections happening with the game.

 I've had no disconnections the client has crashed maybe once for me.

Mobs are brainless and zerg style. Hit one and you got a ton on you. The AI is horrible in this game.

 Mobs are usually only melee the ones that aren't show ok ai. I've not really accustomed to strong npc ai in mmorpgs in general. The ones who have a skill/power that stuns, holds or other status usually use it to their advantage so I'm not really seeing the issue.

With certain combos of the mouse, the skills do not go off correctly. This has been all over the offical boards and "known issue". (in before: go buy a controller/gamepad)

 I don't use a gamepad I use mouse and keyboard and I've heard that about staff yet I've been able to pull every combo in the staff tree. Other then that never heard of it I really think that some people are just mashing buttons and expecting the combo to work. In every combo theres a timing element to it. Its not a random guess thing either its about following the animations.

There are plenty things that don't work (atm) but I'm not listing them because this is beta. But for you to say "What doesn't work?" as if everything does at this time, is dishonest.

 I've commented on all your points besides for the questionable nature of the last one as strong ai is not usually found in mmorpgs and the chat filter. I don't see it as being groundbreaking as the game hasn't launched yet.

Of course stuff is broken. It's beta. But that can pretty much be fixed.

 

What can't be fixed is the "fast food" nature the game has. It's not a real type of meal in a gaming sense.. more like chicken nuggets and that really can't be fixed based on the platforming limitations of a PS3.

 If FFXIV's vision (even though its nowhere near that yet) can survive its not based on the platforming. Its an alternative to other mmorpgs that are more involved in other aspects of gameplay (crafting, housing etc). The game is designed as quick fun for casual players. The hardcore crowd will enjoy it as well but its not concerned with timesink activities such as crafting and the more sandbox style gameplay. There is a depth though that most are unable to understand as most people who play dc universe don't even understand the basic mechanics before they comment on it.

 

I think the game will overall be fine for two months. After that, I don't hold much hope for it as a $15/mo sub.

Originally posted by Abangyarudo

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Abangyarudo

 

 what about the game does not work?

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Chat doesn't work right. It's too borky and cumbersome to even try and console it.

 chat has a messed up filter but besides for that I don't see the issue.

The tanking system doesn't work well enough atm.

 I have a level 20 ice(Cyrogenics) tank, a level 20 fire (immolation) tank and a level 8 fire (ignition) tank so which one ain't working? The cyrogenics tank is up way past others. In pve I usually never die in pvp it usually takes 2 or more to take her down. My fire tank is ok but they should really leave reignition at 25% since it takes alot of damage.  

There is a lot of disconnections happening with the game.

 I've had no disconnections the client has crashed maybe once for me.

Mobs are brainless and zerg style. Hit one and you got a ton on you. The AI is horrible in this game.

 Mobs are usually only melee the ones that aren't show ok ai. I've not really accustomed to strong npc ai in mmorpgs in general. The ones who have a skill/power that stuns, holds or other status usually use it to their advantage so I'm not really seeing the issue.

With certain combos of the mouse, the skills do not go off correctly. This has been all over the offical boards and "known issue". (in before: go buy a controller/gamepad)

 I don't use a gamepad I use mouse and keyboard and I've heard that about staff yet I've been able to pull every combo in the staff tree. Other then that never heard of it I really think that some people are just mashing buttons and expecting the combo to work. In every combo theres a timing element to it. Its not a random guess thing either its about following the animations.

There are plenty things that don't work (atm) but I'm not listing them because this is beta. But for you to say "What doesn't work?" as if everything does at this time, is dishonest.

 I've commented on all your points besides for the questionable nature of the last one as strong ai is not usually found in mmorpgs and the chat filter. I don't see it as being groundbreaking as the game hasn't launched yet.

Of course stuff is broken. It's beta. But that can pretty much be fixed.

 

What can't be fixed is the "fast food" nature the game has. It's not a real type of meal in a gaming sense.. more like chicken nuggets and that really can't be fixed based on the platforming limitations of a PS3.

 If FFXIV's vision (even though its nowhere near that yet) can survive its not based on the platforming. Its an alternative to other mmorpgs that are more involved in other aspects of gameplay (crafting, housing etc). The game is designed as quick fun for casual players. The hardcore crowd will enjoy it as well but its not concerned with timesink activities such as crafting and the more sandbox style gameplay. There is a depth though that most are unable to understand as most people who play dc universe don't even understand the basic mechanics before they comment on it.

 

I think the game will overall be fine for two months. After that, I don't hold much hope for it as a $15/mo sub.

 You keep saying 20's....so you haven't tanked end game, trust me tanking doesn't work well, because tanking is a triangle, especially in end game.

It is no longer just a matter of your tank doing his/her job and the healer doing theirs. You have to be concerned about how well a controller or two or providing energy to a team. No energy, no healing, no taunting, leaves a big mess on your hands. It comes down to a huge amount of team micromanaging when doing difficult content. Then, they don't give you any tools to monitor everything you have to micromanage. No energy bars when your raid goes over 4 people for the controllers to monitor, no timers to keep track of the duration of taunts, and the list goes on.

The chat system is very broken. It's a very unwieldy system that very rarely remembers what chat mode you were using last meaning you constantly have to type /say, /group, /shout before anything you input. The tell system provides no easy method of replying to someone, so you constantly have to type /tell <name of character> before each tell. If the person has a space in their name you have to put their name in quotations just to send them a tell.

There's a heck of a lot more wrong than that, but I could write several pages of current bugs and flawed systems. Not to mention the lack of content overall.

However, even after all that I'm still sticking with the game on release. It's a good game and worth the box price. If they keep good on their promise of meaningful content each month the game will be great.

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Originally posted by popinjay

There are plenty things that don't work (atm) but I'm not listing them because this is beta. But for you to say "What doesn't work?" as if everything does at this time, is dishonest.

Of course stuff is broken. It's beta. But that can pretty much be fixed.

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Originally posted by Abangyarudo

 I've commented on all your points besides for the questionable nature of the last one as strong ai is not usually found in mmorpgs and the chat filter. I don't see it as being groundbreaking as the game hasn't launched yet.

If FFXIV's vision (even though its nowhere near that yet) can survive its not based on the platforming.

 The hardcore crowd will enjoy it as well but its not concerned with timesink activities such as crafting and the more sandbox style gameplay.

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FFXIV is a bad game, but that won't go bust because it has a loyal following. DCUO can't claim that. Square Enix (who makes FFXIV) has invested far more money in that than this was built for. SE is a company who has much very deeper pockets unlike SoE and SE as a Japanese company has "face to save" so they won't let FFXIV crash. SoE will let a game flop the minute it won't turn a buck and they don't care about reputation. They are the Western Cash Shop Kings. You really can't compare these two games at all in any serious way.

If you believe that DCUO is some kind of sandbox game (as you said above), you need to check on the definition, because this entire game is ENTIRELY on rails, lol.

Every quest is voice acted and the voice tells you where to go and what to do incase you are too lazy to read the quest.. just listen and then follow the minimap arrows lol.

What is sandbox about getting a quest and then following a big gigantic yellow arrow on the minimap that leads you right to the front door of the instance? You're following a MENTOR for God's sake.. he's not saying "okay, go level how you want so you can fight crime/the law". The Batman says "There is a bad guy over there. Go kill him and 10 of his henchemn and free so and so."

There is no sand in this box, nor was it ever meant to be. The questing in DCUO is SIMPLIER than WoW and that's really hard to do. For future reference:

Sandbox type= do what you want in game with no real script or quests to follow. You choose your toon's path and activites and no one way of doing it. (majority of FFXIV, Darkfall, EvE, etc)

No sandbox type= quests you MUST follow to progress. Scripted world that you must follow for progression and rewards (DCUO, WoW, Tera, most MMOs)

It's 15 dollars, how povo are you guys.

Originally posted by HitechLolife

It's 15 dollars, how povo are you guys.

But that's the point, they are saying it's not even worth that little.

Originally posted by pierth

Originally posted by HitechLolife

It's 15 dollars, how povo are you guys.

But that's the point, they are saying it's not even worth that little.

They should be embarrased making such a fuss over such an insignificant amount of money.

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Originally posted by HitechLolife

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Originally posted by pierth

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Originally posted by HitechLolife

It's 15 dollars, how povo are you guys.

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But that's the point, they are saying it's not even worth that little.

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They should be embarrased making such a fuss over such an insignificant amount of money.

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if u have that much spare cash, do u mind donating $15 or more each month to me since its such insignificant amount of money :)

I am of the camp, that  I do enjoy it,  I will buy it  and see what the first 30 days bring, If I am still enjoying it i will sub,  if not I won't.  For me it is no different  than buying a console game  that  i generally  don't play  for more than a month  unless it's a stellar game

I do foresee me playing for a few months anyhow,  something to fill the time  with some fast action  fighting fun

Originally posted by kirak2009

I am of the camp, that  I do enjoy it,  I will buy it  and see what the first 30 days bring, If I am still enjoying it i will sub,  if not I won't.  For me it is no different  than buying a console game  that  i generally  don't play  for more than a month  unless it's a stellar game

I do foresee me playing for a few months anyhow,  something to fill the time  with some fast action  fighting fun

The difference is that you will not be able to trade DCU into gamestop towards credit for a new game. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by kirak2009

I am of the camp, that  I do enjoy it,  I will buy it  and see what the first 30 days bring, If I am still enjoying it i will sub,  if not I won't.  For me it is no different  than buying a console game  that  i generally  don't play  for more than a month  unless it's a stellar game

I do foresee me playing for a few months anyhow,  something to fill the time  with some fast action  fighting fun

The difference is that you will not be able to trade DCU into gamestop towards credit for a new game. 

This is true,  I may take it in the face,  or maybe not,  but with what is out there today  that i have already played and burned out on,  this  will at least  occupy  my gaming  for a while :)