Originally posted by Shadewalker

Originally posted by randomt

 

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Originally posted by Shadewalker
If Darkfall is a genuine sandbox game then the developers would do well to introduce PvE (ie consensual PvP) servers because they would then be addressing a serious shortfall in the market

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Yea but.. then there'd be nothing to do. Grinding, and pvp is all the game really has, yes?

 

 

 Grinding is what a sandbox game is all about. As for what else the game would offer I wouldn't know, it's always sounded like a game I'd want to take a look at but for the fact that it's purely  PvP, so I have never bothered.

 Darkfall....contrary to the hype....is not purely PvP. On the other hand, if you wish to do much non-PvP it is hard to find. It is there just hard to find. There are also aspects on non-PvP that could be added or enhanced but so far AV has not figured that out.

Originally posted by Badaboom

It's a sandbox.  It is not supposed to have quests to give you a purpose.  You are supposed to give yourself purpose.

Then what is the point of quest? If the quests hardly talk about the lore, nor give players an incentive to complete them, why does DarkFall have any quest? (Outside of the new player quest which *do* help news learn the ropes and learn which monster they can fight, etc).

Since DarkFall has practically no lore, nor incentive for RAC war, or possibilities of creating and controlling racial politics, what is the point of quest in DarkFall? DarkFall's quest are just as grindy and linear as your typical themepark "kill 10 rats" although here it's 300 rats and 200 rat shaman per quest.

Originally posted by BuniontToes

Originally posted by Blindchance

Originally posted by randomt

Yea take away the grind.. what what's left? It's pretty much the only thing to do isn't it?

 

I have to agree, butter is spread really thinly in DF. In theme park based MMOs you have couple of thousands of quests. They are usually really poor quality from RPG fan point of view. Beyond that theme parks are lacking enjoyable game content, which you would happly play again.

DF is trying to be a sandbox MMO but fails miserably without interesting game mechanics and mini-games. Seriously I think that good strategy games or even team based FPS games beat it when it comes to lasting fun factor. That was the second reason just after the grind why I don't enjoy DF in long term. It is just not worth the price. However mind I hardly enjoy any MMOs lately. I think they are really cheap in terms of quality of game play and fun versus price. At time I had hopes DF will change it, but it just stayed a bare skeleton of basic game content like it was in beta and after launch. 

You have the same quests in DFO.  There simply isnt a flotaing '!' over the NPC's head.

Please...quests in DF are totally out of place. Not saying that's the last type of content I am after in DF. The problem is the game hardly delievers anything instead. They would invest that time better in EVE like randomly generated missions.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Badaboom

It's a sandbox.  It is not supposed to have quests to give you a purpose.  You are supposed to give yourself purpose.

Then what is the point of quest? If the quests hardly talk about the lore, nor give players an incentive to complete them, why does DarkFall have any quest? (Outside of the new player quest which *do* help news learn the ropes and learn which monster they can fight, etc).

 

Since DarkFall has practically no lore, nor incentive for RAC war, or possibilities of creating and controlling racial politics, what is the point of quest in DarkFall? DarkFall's quest are just as grindy and linear as your typical themepark "kill 10 rats" although here it's 300 rats and 200 rat shaman per quest.

No lore?  Just because you don't read the lore does not make it have no lore.  Looks like you have some reading to do.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Badaboom

It's a sandbox.  It is not supposed to have quests to give you a purpose.  You are supposed to give yourself purpose.

Then what is the point of quest? If the quests hardly talk about the lore, nor give players an incentive to complete them, why does DarkFall have any quest? (Outside of the new player quest which *do* help news learn the ropes and learn which monster they can fight, etc).

 

Since DarkFall has practically no lore, nor incentive for RAC war, or possibilities of creating and controlling racial politics, what is the point of quest in DarkFall? DarkFall's quest are just as grindy and linear as your typical themepark "kill 10 rats" although here it's 300 rats and 200 rat shaman per quest.

No lore?  Just because you don't read the lore does not make it have no lore.  Looks like you have some reading to do.

I said "practically no lore". Looks like you need a few classes on reading comprehension.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Badaboom

It's a sandbox.  It is not supposed to have quests to give you a purpose.  You are supposed to give yourself purpose.

Then what is the point of quest? If the quests hardly talk about the lore, nor give players an incentive to complete them, why does DarkFall have any quest? (Outside of the new player quest which *do* help news learn the ropes and learn which monster they can fight, etc).

 

Since DarkFall has practically no lore, nor incentive for RAC war, or possibilities of creating and controlling racial politics, what is the point of quest in DarkFall? DarkFall's quest are just as grindy and linear as your typical themepark "kill 10 rats" although here it's 300 rats and 200 rat shaman per quest.

No lore?  Just because you don't read the lore does not make it have no lore.  Looks like you have some reading to do.

I said "practically no lore". Looks like you need a few classes on reading comprehension.

That page has a lot of lore.  A far cry from practically no lore.  Exaggerate some more.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Badaboom

No lore?  Just because you don't read the lore does not make it have no lore.  Looks like you have some reading to do.

I said "practically no lore". Looks like you need a few classes on reading comprehension.

That page has a lot of lore.  A far cry from practically no lore.  Exaggerate some more.

You call that a lot? Most of the RP clans, had to make their own lore entirely from scratch because AV's "lore" is directly in conflict with how the game is played. So much for Racial Alliance.... You can slap a definition of something on a game website, but how the hell are you going to use it when the game promotes an entirely different behavior, and not following such behavior is putting yourself at a major disadvantage in all fields.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Badaboom

No lore?  Just because you don't read the lore does not make it have no lore.  Looks like you have some reading to do.

I said "practically no lore". Looks like you need a few classes on reading comprehension.

That page has a lot of lore.  A far cry from practically no lore.  Exaggerate some more.

You call that a lot? Most of the RP clans, had to make their own lore entirely from scratch because AV's "lore" is directly in conflict with how the game is played. So much for Racial Alliance.... You can slap a definition of something on a game website, but how the hell are you going to use it when the game promotes an entirely different behavior, and not following such behavior is putting yourself at a major disadvantage in all fields.

Darkfall is the best MMORPG in existence but unfortunately still in paid beta. They have improved the game twenty fold since I started playing (for casual players and legitimate players . ... but not macroers, they will keep complaining because most are impatient scrubs).

They are making so many changes soon for the better . .. I can feeeel it!! : )

@ OP

If you played Darkfall for as long as me with my mindset than you would not be able to log into other MMOs . .. even if Darkfall's grind was worse. Too many things that it has to offer which most games simply lack. One character per account and you will never have to be forced to reroll. Compared to other FFA PVP (like EQs FFA PVP) the grind is minimal . .. but since there is full-loot the grind honestly does not end because you will always have to replace what is lost. The trick is finding fun in replacing those goods, which they are improving every few months.

If they made a new server with a new map and did NOT allow transfers, I'd re-sub.

Originally posted by harmonica

I'd never catch up in this grind of a game.

Add some kind of a skill cap and I bet people will finally try Darkfall out again. There should be more to an MMO than just leveling your character for eternity- that is a cheap "get them addicted" element that Darkfall doesn't need. Darkfall cheapens itself by making it such a grind.

100 is as far as you can go in anything.  You cant go over 100.  You cant cast two spells at the same time from two lines.  You cant wield an axe and sword at the same time.  Having 100 in multiple skills does not make you better, only skills make you better.

Once you have a weapon mastery and 50 in any elemental magic you have "caught up" to most everyone else.  That only takes a couple of weeks. 

Now if you suck at FPS, having 100 in everything wont help you.

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Originally posted by harmonica

I'd never catch up in this grind of a game.

Add some kind of a skill cap and I bet people will finally try Darkfall out again. There should be more to an MMO than just leveling your character for eternity- that is a cheap "get them addicted" element that Darkfall doesn't need. Darkfall cheapens itself by making it such a grind.

100 is as far as you can go in anything.  You cant go over 100.  You cant cast two spells at the same time from two lines.  You cant wield an axe and sword at the same time.  Having 100 in multiple skills does not make you better, only skills make you better.

Once you have a weapon mastery and 50 in any elemental magic you have "caught up" to most everyone else.  That only takes a couple of weeks. 

Now if you suck at FPS, having 100 in everything wont help you.

The diminishing returns is insane too so catching up is easier than most people claim. Most of the grind is in 75-100 and 80-110.

Sid and to the others responding to the  'i'll never catch up" complaint.....stop wasting your time. These are the same people posting the same nonsense about never catching the vets in EvE. They either haven't played and are professional regurgitators or have played and are just butthurt. Grinding in DF used to be way, way worse than it is now. If you could get a toon 100/50 or whatever when i played...it tooks months and months.  Macro'ing/bloodwalls all that nonsense makes the game worse.

As far as the lore is concerned...RP'ing in DF was never it's strong suit. I was in a clan that only allowed orks/mahraim and a few alfar for a long time...guess what happened? We kept getting our asses handed to us by ARAC so that stopped. There just wasn't enough ork/wolf players to begin with.

People will never be happy with DF, EvE whatever b/c there are consequences. Or these people want a solo experience. What they fail to realize is, they are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole...it doesn't fit. You can be the best macro'd up/uber/leet whatever player in DF, in a one man clan, and get your ass handed to you, repeatedly.

Same goes for EvE. It's posts like these that make reading the forums tiresome. I'm not saying they don't have a right to express their opinions, but it's the same 10-15 topics over and over again. Find a new complaint.

Fact: they aren't implementing a skillcap  (which sucks, but it is what it is)

Fact: if you have 100/50 in a skill and i have the same, but you suck at FPS's, you will lose.

Fact: if you choose to log in to the server, you are consenting to PvP.

Has school started back? Get these same ole complaints off and let's hear some new ones, ffs.

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Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

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Originally posted by -Zeno-
100 is as far as you can go in anything.  You cant go over 100.  You cant cast two spells at the same time from two lines.  You cant wield an axe and sword at the same time.  Having 100 in multiple skills does not make you better, only skills make you better.
Once you have a weapon mastery and 50 in any elemental magic you have "caught up" to most everyone else.  That only takes a couple of weeks. 
Now if you suck at FPS, having 100 in everything wont help you.

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The diminishing returns is insane too so catching up is easier than most people claim. Most of the grind is in 75-100 and 80-110.

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wait, what? I thought 100 was the max...

Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

 

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Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

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Originally posted by -Zeno-
100 is as far as you can go in anything.  You cant go over 100.  You cant cast two spells at the same time from two lines.  You cant wield an axe and sword at the same time.  Having 100 in multiple skills does not make you better, only skills make you better.
Once you have a weapon mastery and 50 in any elemental magic you have "caught up" to most everyone else.  That only takes a couple of weeks. 
Now if you suck at FPS, having 100 in everything wont help you.

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The diminishing returns is insane too so catching up is easier than most people claim. Most of the grind is in 75-100 and 80-110.

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wait, what? I thought 100 was the max...

100 goes for any skill , spell  and 110 for stats.

The whole 'grind must catch up' argument is a myth.

What you need to do is play smart - and skilled players with 1 month old characters can (and do) kick ass by playing smarter than the other guy/gal.

It's a FFA PvP game.  No-one cares if your new toon didn't have 450 health and capped magic schools - everyone cares about who is lying on the deck about to lose all thier stuff after a fight.  If you want to be a superb pvper, stop fussing about numbers and get in-game and work out a strategy that suits you.  Join a good clan, and you too can be butchering people faster than most players believe is possible.  And a good hint - don't miss ;p 

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Once you have a weapon mastery and 50 in any elemental magic you have "caught up" to most everyone else.  That only takes a couple of weeks. 

 

This made me smile

Originally posted by Flute

What you need to do is play smart - and skilled players with 1 month old characters can (and do) kick ass by playing smarter than the other guy/gal.

lol. come at me with your 1 month old character and i will flawless you.

Originally posted by dooney

Originally posted by Flute

What you need to do is play smart - and skilled players with 1 month old characters can (and do) kick ass by playing smarter than the other guy/gal.

lol. come at me with your 1 month old character and i will flawless you.

Not a 1v1 duel deathmatch instance either.  I will help and we will flawless you.

Originally posted by dooney

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Once you have a weapon mastery and 50 in any elemental magic you have "caught up" to most everyone else.  That only takes a couple of weeks. 

 

This made me smile

Thing is ... he's right :)  Although if you want to go for mass battle pvp get to 90 water magic too :)