Originally posted by Phry

Hmm.. while its a bit of a stretch of the imagination to imagine that WoW players are that tired already of Cataclysm, just assuming that was even the case, i think they'd want a game that was at least as good as the one they were considering leaving. Rift at the moment is not the game i would even think would appear on the 'next game Radar' let alone figure in it all that highly..  in any 'battle' between WoW and Rift, there could only be one outcome.. and that would be WoW kicking sand in Rifts face and Rift running home to mummy...  it would be more 'apt' to consider the battle to be really between Rift, SW:TOR, and GW2.. though, im not sure that Rift is even in the same league as those 2 games so perhaps im doing them both a disservice.

This is what most people were thinking like on that February 3rd, 2008... But wow, anything can happen right?

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right?

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by Evani

Personally I will take Rifts and it's dynamic events system over wow anyday. Not to hate on wow, it is a great game for what it does. But the Dynamic Events are what I have been waiting for for many years. And I plan on playing GW2 as well for the same reasons.

Dynamic events..  if Rift can handle them at least as well as GW2 promises to, then thats all to the good, but, given that GW is a 'proven' title with history etc, then i would expect GW2 to be a more likely choice for people choosing games of that type.. same as i would expect people who are heavy into storylined 'vote for Joe' types of games to opt for SW:TOR..  In a lot of ways we're becoming increasingly spoiled for choice in the games we play - which means any new game has to be 'really good' at whatever category they plan to enter into... while i have very little doubt that GW2 will live up to its promises, im not sure that Rift will.. and as time goes on  those doubts are increasing..  at the moment, between SW:TOR, GW2 and Rift, GW2 has the lead in terms of interest - mine at least, SW:TOR after a few false starts, nobbled their own horse

Well, from what I've seen in beta 1-3 Rift's handles them beautifully. Hundreds of people and mobs were on my screen at once and the servers ran smoothly. FPS was in high teens, but Rift runs smooth regardless. That was enough to convince me that they know what they are doing.
I had a blast running around in huge raids during the events. The community feel of it really makes the faction come together.

I think GW2 will be even more of a hit ofcourse, but I am pleased with Trion and their outstanding Dev support at this point. Whether those things continue, if there is enough content, if wold pvp becomes enjoyable are all ifs at this point.

We will see.

Let us go back to the basics of this thread ...

Anyone thinking that an active Cata player will leave Azeroth for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKX4fPDNxo

is really desperate and didn't follow what happened in previous years.

No one is going to pay to get less, certainly not the bored ones. Be serious.

Originally posted by JLVDB

Let us go back to the basics of this thread ...

Anyone thinking that an active Cata player will leave Azeroth for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKX4fPDNxo

is really desperate and didn't follow what happened in previous years.

No one is going to pay to get less, certainly not the bored ones. Be serious.

What he isn't telling you is that the video is a capture of a training quest.  Not all of the quests are as cut and dry as that one.  It also lacks anything with rifts and invasions.  A 2-3 minute gameplay video, especially a poor choice such as this one, isn't nearly enough to show an accurate representation of the game as a whole.

I will admit the game isn't "gamebreaking" or the next "WoW Killer", but it is a solid game and will hold it's own better than Warhammer did.

Originally posted by ChaosInc

Originally posted by JLVDB

Let us go back to the basics of this thread ...

Anyone thinking that an active Cata player will leave Azeroth for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKX4fPDNxo

is really desperate and didn't follow what happened in previous years.

No one is going to pay to get less, certainly not the bored ones. Be serious.

What he isn't telling you is that the video is a capture of a training quest.  Not all of the quests are as cut and dry as that one.  It also lacks anything with rifts and invasions.  A 2-3 minute gameplay video, especially a poor choice such as this one, isn't nearly enough to show an accurate representation of the game as a whole.

I will admit the game isn't "gamebreaking" or the next "WoW Killer", but it is a solid game and will hold it's own better than Warhammer did.

Invasions and Rifts are the worst part in MMO's - by far. I explained that already. They are just randomly triggered events in which Zerg fests result in not even participating in them the second time around.

They existed already years as part of several other MMO's and they lead to a grumble of the players after ... 2 or 3 days doing them already.

I just said it in another post: please raise the hands of the guys who wanted to put out the fires in Goldshire in that seasonal quest in WOW ? You do that twice and the next time you hit "leave".

It all looks to have "potential", but please leave the "hype" element and think about the gameplay such events result in: zergy - over the heads of the individual player - randomly implanted events in which you FEEL you are not even "part of" as an individual.

The video above just shows the rest of the "polish".

Originally posted by JLVDB

Originally posted by ChaosInc

Originally posted by JLVDB

Let us go back to the basics of this thread ...

Anyone thinking that an active Cata player will leave Azeroth for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKX4fPDNxo

is really desperate and didn't follow what happened in previous years.

No one is going to pay to get less, certainly not the bored ones. Be serious.

What he isn't telling you is that the video is a capture of a training quest.  Not all of the quests are as cut and dry as that one.  It also lacks anything with rifts and invasions.  A 2-3 minute gameplay video, especially a poor choice such as this one, isn't nearly enough to show an accurate representation of the game as a whole.

I will admit the game isn't "gamebreaking" or the next "WoW Killer", but it is a solid game and will hold it's own better than Warhammer did.

Invasions and Rifts are the worst part in MMO's - by far. I explained that already. They are just randomly triggered events in which Zerg fests result in not even participating in them the second time around.

They existed already years as part of several other MMO's and they lead to a grumble of the players after ... 2 or 3 days doing them already.

I just said it in another post: please raise the hands of the guys who wanted to put out the fires in Goldshire in that seasonal quest in WOW ? You do that twice and the next time you hit "leave".

It all looks to have "potential", but please leave the "hype" element and think about the gameplay such events result in: zergy - over the heads of the individual player - randomly implanted events in which you FEEL you are not even "part of" as an individual.

The video above just shows the rest of the "polish".

 

lol "I already said this" "I already said that."

Just because you said it doesnt set it in stone.

Rift invasions were the only thing i liked about the game.

Try and remember its your opinion youre giving, not fact.

Originally posted by monstermmo

Originally posted by JLVDB

Originally posted by ChaosInc

Originally posted by JLVDB

Let us go back to the basics of this thread ...

Anyone thinking that an active Cata player will leave Azeroth for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKX4fPDNxo

is really desperate and didn't follow what happened in previous years.

No one is going to pay to get less, certainly not the bored ones. Be serious.

What he isn't telling you is that the video is a capture of a training quest.  Not all of the quests are as cut and dry as that one.  It also lacks anything with rifts and invasions.  A 2-3 minute gameplay video, especially a poor choice such as this one, isn't nearly enough to show an accurate representation of the game as a whole.

I will admit the game isn't "gamebreaking" or the next "WoW Killer", but it is a solid game and will hold it's own better than Warhammer did.

Invasions and Rifts are the worst part in MMO's - by far. I explained that already. They are just randomly triggered events in which Zerg fests result in not even participating in them the second time around.

They existed already years as part of several other MMO's and they lead to a grumble of the players after ... 2 or 3 days doing them already.

I just said it in another post: please raise the hands of the guys who wanted to put out the fires in Goldshire in that seasonal quest in WOW ? You do that twice and the next time you hit "leave".

It all looks to have "potential", but please leave the "hype" element and think about the gameplay such events result in: zergy - over the heads of the individual player - randomly implanted events in which you FEEL you are not even "part of" as an individual.

The video above just shows the rest of the "polish".

 

lol "I already said this" "I already said that."

Just because you said it doesnt set it in stone.

Rift invasions were the only thing i liked about the game.

Try and remember its your opinion youre giving, not fact.

The thread is about triggering anyone to leave Azeroth for this. Instead of the video commercial; I argued why you would be very naieve to think that Cata players would even stay more than a few hours with it by showing in game footage.

If you can come up with one player in WOW who thought that the "Rift" invasions in both pre Wotlk and Cata events were  "cool" after doing them twice, you may have one recruit. But I think you'll have a hard time finding one.

Rift invasions are always over the heads of the players and their will and individual use of their avatars. Not a very good tool for a video game in 2011.

Originally posted by JLVDB

Originally posted by ChaosInc

Originally posted by JLVDB

Let us go back to the basics of this thread ...

Anyone thinking that an active Cata player will leave Azeroth for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKX4fPDNxo

is really desperate and didn't follow what happened in previous years.

No one is going to pay to get less, certainly not the bored ones. Be serious.

What he isn't telling you is that the video is a capture of a training quest.  Not all of the quests are as cut and dry as that one.  It also lacks anything with rifts and invasions.  A 2-3 minute gameplay video, especially a poor choice such as this one, isn't nearly enough to show an accurate representation of the game as a whole.

I will admit the game isn't "gamebreaking" or the next "WoW Killer", but it is a solid game and will hold it's own better than Warhammer did.

Invasions and Rifts are the worst part in MMO's - by far. I explained that already. They are just randomly triggered events in which Zerg fests result in not even participating in them the second time around.

They existed already years as part of several other MMO's and they lead to a grumble of the players after ... 2 or 3 days doing them already.

I just said it in another post: please raise the hands of the guys who wanted to put out the fires in Goldshire in that seasonal quest in WOW ? You do that twice and the next time you hit "leave".

It all looks to have "potential", but please leave the "hype" element and think about the gameplay such events result in: zergy - over the heads of the individual player - randomly implanted events in which you FEEL you are not even "part of" as an individual.

The video above just shows the rest of the "polish".

 

 Those guys haven't been around during and after the introduction of AQ. A whole area where people could try to quest and had to work together to fight of some gankers. Guilds had to do politics with the opposite faction in order to do the bigger stones. If politics didn't work they had to form an alliance with guilds and enforce the peace with force. Maybe it was a pain for the solo player, but how the hell was a solo player able to kill the bigger summons? It's a mmo, you can expect that you have to play together other people and have to defend yourself from other defend.

WoW always had a large and loud community of whiners and complainers. Blizzard listened to them, attracted more whiners and complainers and is making millions of dollars. I have big respect for that.  A big percentage of players from the first hour have left the game? That tells a lot about a game.

Rift is going to offer something that gives me the same feeling I had when playing Vanilla WoW, plus they've added  "dynamic"  content.

While funny, there's no way this game or any other upcoming game for that matter, is going to compete with WoW. AoC was the next WoW-killer, WAR was going to be the end of WoW, LOTRO was going to give Blizzard a run, oh no... Aion, surely that will be WoW's undoing. Hmmm, still not close. FFXIV? No. TOR? No. GW2? Unlikely. There's really no point in these companies trying to compete with Blizzard at this point. WoW has dug it's heels in, and there's simply no way a run-of-the-mill average in every way MMO is going to dethrone WoW.

Originally posted by zephermarkus

Originally posted by kingtommyboy

hehe, well, we'll see what happens :-)

I don't think this game will pick a lot of people away from wow, but i'm sure RIFT will get his own loyal playerbase, like most games do.

Wow is losing players alot already becuase of how hard cata is and wiht a new out to play and swtor and guild wars around teh corner wow is taking a huge hit is subs this year and will no longer be top dog. Are raid guild is doing well bu the raid content in cata will never be pugged it's that hard the vidoes on youtube make it look easy but are first run we wipe for i know 3 hours out of a 6 hours raid time maybe more then that.

 True but the problem is for WoW is that it has become run of the mill and average . All it will take is something fun which offers some degree of challenge to lure people away from WoWs (generally speaking) unchallenging gameplay . It won't appeal to those players that are used to being spoonfed content maybe but theres huge numbers in WoW and that have left WoW are dying for an alternative . Can Rift compete with WoW ? yeah I think it has a good chance .Can it Kill WoW ? no chance . But who said their are finite number of people that want to play mmos . Why can't their be two very successful games or three or four or more . All I can say is I'm going to play as I hope many others will I really don't care if it has 12 million players after all we've seen what happens to decent games that go for quantity of player at the expensive of quality of gameplay . I kind of hope the 7-12 year olds don't find it as appealing as they do WoW .

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by zephermarkus

Originally posted by kingtommyboy

hehe, well, we'll see what happens :-)

I don't think this game will pick a lot of people away from wow, but i'm sure RIFT will get his own loyal playerbase, like most games do.

Wow is losing players alot already becuase of how hard cata is and wiht a new out to play and swtor and guild wars around teh corner wow is taking a huge hit is subs this year and will no longer be top dog. Are raid guild is doing well bu the raid content in cata will never be pugged it's that hard the vidoes on youtube make it look easy but are first run we wipe for i know 3 hours out of a 6 hours raid time maybe more then that.

 True but the problem is for WoW is that it has become run of the mill and average . All it will take is something fun which offers some degree of challenge to lure people away from WoWs (generally speaking) unchallenging gameplay . It won't appeal to those players that are used to being spoonfed content maybe but theres huge numbers in WoW and that have left WoW are dying for an alternative . Can Rift compete with WoW ? yeah I think it has a good chance .Can it Kill WoW ? no chance . But who said their are finite number of people that want to play mmos . Why can't their be two very successful games or three or four or more . All I can say is I'm going to play as I hope many others will I really don't care if it has 12 million players after all we've seen what happens to decent games that go for quantity of player at the expensive of quality of gameplay . I kind of hope the 7-12 year olds don't find it as appealing as they do WoW .

Indeed I genuinely hope people go into any game this year with their eyes open and find new worlds to enjoy.

Wow won't 'die'  any time soon but I do believe considering how poor this last expansion was that some of the titles this year will chip away at it's numbers.  For some that might be Rift, if your looking forward to it I hope it meets some of your expectations.  I just think directly comparing themselves with Wow does them no favours unless they release flawlessly, which isn't going to happen.

Originally posted by Hyperfish

...comparing themselves with Wow does them no favours unless they release flawlessly, which isn't going to happen.

I don't know, for only being in closed beta they are in pretty good shape.  Unless they really mess something up between now and launch I think they are looking at a pretty smooth takeoff.

It's in a heck of a lot better shape than WoW was at launch, and it's still in beta.  I don't remember WoW working nearly this well with 6 or 7 weeks left in closed beta...

Originally posted by Warbs

Originally posted by Kothoses

They are right.... its more like outland.

 

Sorry Trion, I had high hopes for you but my VIP beta ticket has convinced me not to order, your game is too much of the same old seen it before with nothing unique.  The "story" is negligable (most of the interesting lore takes place on the website so far) the questing is dull and very much like TBC questing but with far fewer quests per hub. 

 

The design for Rifts was terrible basically scoring you based not on your input not on your healing, tanking, dps not even on activity but simply on how many mobs you tagged that were eventually killed.

Its a game that looks stunning but feels horribly out of date once you get past that.

 

I shall carry the flame of ToR and GW 2 and hope beyond hope that they will prove to deliver a new take on the familiar, not just a rehash of it.  The Fundamentals of MMO gaming is fine it just needs more unique aspects and different ideas.  Unfortunately aside from shiney graphics and a good QA department, Rift doesnt offer anything new.

 

I hope they do well simply to prove that releasing a fully functional MMO from day 1 IS the way to go and that it WILL do better than a half finished job, but sadly its not the game for me. 

Judging the game via the first 20 levels...you have not even seen PvP the raids you have seen 2 dungeons@max

Ive played wow, AoC, Warhammer online, EQ 2, Vanguard, FFXI and the beta for FFXIV (Called that one as being crap too) and Lotro.... and nothing so far in Rift is new or exciting.

I hope people do enjoy it because the QA values are what should be applied to EVERY GAME that is ever released but the game its self is nothing new or exciting.

So yes I am judging it on having played it, sampled it, this whole "beta" is nothing more than a pre-release marketing endevour anyway.  Also the early areas of any mmo the ones they offer in the inevitable free trials are always designed to be hooks, so if I am not hooked after leveling to 20 twice and playing a couple of dungeons, I doubt anything that comes beyond will hook me.  I can say this because everything this game has, has been done to death before.

I am quite sad actually, I really wanted rifts to compete with ToR and Tera for my sub for the next year or two... but it wont, it will sell well, look great to start with but unless Trion are holding back on some major new stuff, it will not retain subscribers simply because there is a difference between "Familiar" and "Clone".

Has people talking about it like wild fire surging through the internet non stop so that is pretty good for them

Why all the red faces of WoW fan base, why so angry, why lie about not leaving WoW for just a min to try a new world, why the hate on something that is so good? See you all in beta suckas, yay!!!!!

LOL WOW has become a run-of-the-mill average in every way MMO, but its cool you don't need to give this great game a try we don't want the wow QQ babys f-ing this game up anyways. See you in beta and going to rock your socks off lol.

Originally posted by Snesso

To everyone saying no WoW player will ever switch to Rift, well you are wrong, been a loyal Blizzard fan for almost a decade, been playing WoW since 1.4, seen all possible raiding content, vanilla Naxx included, and I'm goddamn tired of it,. They started losing control of their own game after TBC came out, and WotLK completetly ruined it, was hoping for some changes in Cataclysm but I guess its too late to fix things up now, Even Blizzard knows it, since they are working on a new, fresh MMO. Hope they will learn from their fails, at least.

So I'll be playing Rift instead. Sure, it does look like a WoW copy, but remember that WoW itself copied everything it has from other games and simply made them better. Still, this looks way better than most of the MMOs that came out the past years, trying to throw blizzard off of its throne, so I'll be betting all into this. And if it will fail, well, no way I'm going back to WoW, thats for sure.

same here.

This is beyond sad. Next thing will be "Hey, you don't need to spend hours, days, years of your life fishing for that turtle mount in WoW, we give you one from the get go and added a second head FTW"

Originally posted by SpandexDroid

This is beyond sad. Next thing will be "Hey, you don't need to spend hours, days, years of your life fishing for that turtle mount in WoW, we give you one from the get go and added a second head FTW"

This is now my excuse to my wife for her to play, she never got her turtle in wow :( I lucked mine.

Originally posted by Wicoa

Originally posted by SpandexDroid

This is beyond sad. Next thing will be "Hey, you don't need to spend hours, days, years of your life fishing for that turtle mount in WoW, we give you one from the get go and added a second head FTW"

This is now my excuse to my wife for her to play, she never got her turtle in wow :( I lucked mine.