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Originally posted by Blackdragun
It's amazing, after the NGE our entire guild quit. We were based on Flurry and had been playing for a very long time. I just re-up'd 2 of my accounts paying 6 months for each of them (talk about anger). I love the crafting/housing/city theme in this game. It was 100% player driven. I did enjoy WoW after SWG and currenlty am in Runes of Magic. Nothing comes close to the crafting theme in SWG. This game (pre NGE) was all about the players, helping one another complete a large variety of missions. There were quest lines but IMO very different then the normal "Pick up a quest - run here - kill that - drop off a quest" We did have a close group of gamers playing for several years together. It's been hard finding another game that everyone enjoys playing and everytime I read one of these articles it makes me very upset all over again. The loss of friends, loss of money, loss of quality entertainment. Sony acted like a bad president, made a HUGE mistake but is sticking by it to not admit they did anything wrong.
I can understand making changes to a game and finding out "Hey, this was a bad idea" and fix it. Not just drive it into the ground. Gezz, its been a while since I ranted about SWG - still feels the same though.
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Yea i reaallllly miss preneg SWG. The community was just SOOO good. I miss alot of the people (especially guildees). iv played alot of mmos and other game since, but nothing has come close to preNEG SWG

Yeah they really did screw everything up about the game that people liked, and screwed over 100% of the player base with this garbage. I do know a way to play the pre cu (currently in test servers till released) but I rather not mention it here and get banned. If those of yall know what I speak of, it is well worth looking into believe me :) To add to that, it is not a private server since those are illegal heh.

SWG will only be good when they upgrade the combat again and make it totally FPS. Star Wars should always be a shooter not an EQ clone like it was in the early days that people seem to harken back to. Combat was shit then. It is a bit better now but still needs to be a full FPS game.

Originally posted by FreedomBlade

SWG will only be good when they upgrade the combat again and make it totally FPS. Star Wars should always be a shooter not an EQ clone like it was in the early days that people seem to harken back to. Combat was shit then. It is a bit better now but still needs to be a full FPS game.

Interesting you say that.  Most who play SWG for any length learn fairly quickly how to Key Map off FPS to Auto Target/Fire.  It was never ment to be a all out FPS because of its strong melee element.  Your complaint is not unheard, however, as the NGE was an answer to that very issue.  This added with no support to the Auto Target/Fire.  There is no key set mode that allows you to switch easily between the two styles.  That was NGE policy in full force to save the game.  A major effort from the community early in the NGE coupled with new willing devs allowed for the addition of Auto Target and Auto Fire.  Its clunky and complicated for new players but its there.

The long and short? Even the reviewers wish the game was pre-cu in reality. The game has aged pretty poorly, especially after the population losses. They need to *close* servers not offer transfers to more populous servers. They *need* critical masses of people active to make it feel like a breathing world.

Sony doesn't get it and never has.

If they opened a single server with pre-cu/nge rules and expansions up to the nge... they would instantly have a more populous server than they'll ever have even with the dated graphics and game play.

I won't drag out old bones.

Another PreCU fan, I still wnt a classic server and ye. I still hate SOE and Lucas Arts for what they did to us.

Good effort on the part of the writer, I encourage any star wars fan out there who hasn't heard of SWG and it's self inflicted gunshot wound to the face, to try SWG. Do you really think they are out there? Not I.

~pukes~

There's my review. . .

Ah yes SWG, how I still miss the old game.

Speaking for myself only here but my biggest issue was dishonesty on the devs part. When they brought out the CU they gave us  weeks to try it out and see how it was so it was a tranisition that felt somewhat smooth and I thought I'd give it a shot.

Then they later came out with the  NGE,  one week was all we got to test it.  They MUST of been working on it for a long time so I don't see why we only got one week to try it.  It was a new game and one that pissed me off, two years I spend on developing those characters and suddenly their professions are "merged" or just completely gone.

I don't know how many players who first logged into the NGE enjoyed seeing all their armour and weapons become useless in one fail swoop. I guess I do sound bitter but honestly who would stay in a game after developing your character for two years to just have it all fall flat.

I  gave the NGE a chance, a week and then I left. Apparently my characters might still be sitting on the server all wrapped up if I ever want to come back and they can stay there.

once again the space system is completely passed over in a game review. But since JTL came out it has been largely dismissed by the dev team as well. STAR WARS in this game is just an after thought.

The review, while poorly written, is pretty spot on. There's nothing worth coming back to even with these new updates. Let's hope that bioware gets it right.
 

I played at launch - Loved it!  Pre -CU SWG has never been equalled (Creature Handler FTW)

I played JTL - Loved it!

I played CU - ehh...its ok but still playable, and community basically still there.

I played NGE on TestCenter - and knew that we were in trouble.  But still clinged to a hope that the devs would listen...

We know how that went...

Went ahead and sucked it up and played the NGE - Hated it...with a passion.  And not just because they killed my fav profs (CH and BE), but just..you know what nvm it's all been covered.  It sucked nuff said.  If I start talking too in-depth about the NGE, I will go on a rage fest...again.

Played Patch 6 NGE under the guise of CH coming back - Bastardized and hated it still

Played yet another time when updated player housing and whtnot was implemented - Still sucked.

Yes I know, I am the moron, that kept going back, giving it a try.  but I just kept holding a glimmer of hope that things would finally change....They didn't.

And I am never going back again.

Originally posted by Toothman

While there are a number of things that I wish had stayed in SWG the game is better than it ever has been. 

Glad you are enjoying the game.  How can a game that is less than what it started out as be better?  SoE/LA gave us a lot of toys to play with in the sandbox, then took half of them away.  How does that make it better?

 

Anyone who says differently needs to grow up and learn to play games without exploiting. 

Uh...what?  Miss the point much?

 

Why does it keep getting reviewed?  Two reasons.  It has changed and rechanged more than any MMO in history.

Because they are trying desperately to figure out how to get the massive amount of people that quit over the NGE back or find some other audience to replace them but in the end all they keep doing is alienating more and more players.  They don't get it, and they apparently never will.

 

 

And all the doom and gloom whiners can't understand why it keeps hanging in there.

Yeah they're hanging in there if you consider closing a good portion of their servers and consolidating the rest as hanging in there.  That sounds a lot more like struggling to survive to me.     

 

 

The answer is because there is nothing else out there like it.  Nor does it appear that there will be any time soon.

Yeah, it's hard for other developers to copy an ever changing "moving target".  Or maybe it's just that they don't want to because they've seen what a ghost town SWG is now. 

 

 

The Bioware title looks so weak I'll be amazed if its not losing subs after 6 months.  

And if it's not, I'm sure you'll be the first to come here and eat crow?

 

 

As for WoW its still the hand holding title of the year for whiney maladjusted children who like poorly animated cartoons and need devs to tell them what to do because thinking on their own is too much work.

Oh, so you play WoW too? 

 

Title reviewed, let it go.

Oh, so you get to speak your opinion but no one else is allowed to?  Some people don't like the game anymore and the NGE has a lot to do with that.  It's their opinion.  They're allowed to state it on a public forum.  You let it go.

Originally posted by Einherjar_LC

Originally posted by Toothman

While there are a number of things that I wish had stayed in SWG the game is better than it ever has been. 

Glad you are enjoying the game.  How can a game that is less than what it started out as be better?  SoE/LA gave us a lot of toys to play with in the sandbox, then took half of them away.  How does that make it better?

 

Anyone who says differently needs to grow up and learn to play games without exploiting. 

Uh...what?  Miss the point much?

 

Why does it keep getting reviewed?  Two reasons.  It has changed and rechanged more than any MMO in history.

Because they are trying desperately to figure out how to get the massive amount of people that quit over the NGE back or find some other audience to replace them but in the end all they keep doing is alienating more and more players.  They don't get it, and they apparently never will.

 

 

And all the doom and gloom whiners can't understand why it keeps hanging in there.

Yeah they're hanging in there if you consider closing a good portion of their servers and consolidating the rest as hanging in there.  That sounds a lot more like struggling to survive to me.     

 

 

The answer is because there is nothing else out there like it.  Nor does it appear that there will be any time soon.

Yeah, it's hard for other developers to copy an ever changing "moving target".  Or maybe it's just that they don't want to because they've seen what a ghost town SWG is now. 

 

 

The Bioware title looks so weak I'll be amazed if its not losing subs after 6 months.  

And if it's not, I'm sure you'll be the first to come here and eat crow?

 

 

As for WoW its still the hand holding title of the year for whiney maladjusted children who like poorly animated cartoons and need devs to tell them what to do because thinking on their own is too much work.

Oh, so you play WoW too? 

 

Title reviewed, let it go.

Oh, so you get to speak your opinion but no one else is allowed to?  Some people don't like the game anymore and the NGE has a lot to do with that.  It's their opinion.  They're allowed to state it on a public forum.  You let it go.

 Amen!

Originally posted by smaklaga

I played at launch - Loved it!  Pre -CU SWG has never been equalled (Creature Handler FTW)

I played JTL - Loved it!

I played CU - ehh...its ok but still playable, and community basically still there.

I played NGE on TestCenter - and knew that we were in trouble.  But still clinged to a hope that the devs would listen...

We know how that went...

Went ahead and sucked it up and played the NGE - Hated it...with a passion.  And not just because they killed my fav profs (CH and BE), but just..you know what nvm it's all been covered.  It sucked nuff said.  If I start talking too in-depth about the NGE, I will go on a rage fest...again.

Played Patch 6 NGE under the guise of CH coming back - Bastardized and hated it still

Played yet another time when updated player housing and whtnot was implemented - Still sucked.

 

Yes I know, I am the moron, that kept going back, giving it a try.  but I just kept holding a glimmer of hope that things would finally change....They didn't.

 

And I am never going back again.

 

 

NGE was never on the test server... it was released on everyone without any notice. CU was on the test server however and set the tone for what was to come. But I agree with most of what you said above and side from logging in once (to get the game files) and trying out the SWGEmu, I wont ever log into Galaxies again.

Galaxies is dead and will forever be dead. The Same Old Republic when that comes out will pale in comparison (as an instanced garbage Jedi fest). If I wanted a glo-stick party I would go to one of the raves here in the city. At least there I can pop ecstacy and at least enjoy myself. 

I have thought about getting a subscription to The Same Old Republic just for the one goal of ruining every Jedi's gaming experience and rolling something where I could kill them at will over and over. Just so I can help kill that monstrosity of a game that much sooner.

The real day of triumph will be when someone else rolls along not associated with SOE and creates an SWG like game that dwarfs it. But we wont see an SWG game for at least 10 more years.

Originally posted by Yoottos'Horg

I appreciate your re-review. I appreciate your attempt to remain unbiased and report on most games, regardless of their history.

 

With that being said, I hate this game with a passion. It’s almost a detrimental hate because whenever I hear SWG my right eye begins to twitch, my fists begin to clench and my pulse goes up. It makes no sense. I mean, how can a GAME evoke such strong emotions? I, as does everyone, know all the reasons for this unadulterated hatred but I have long ago given up on understanding it. I willingly accept it.

 

So when this game finally dies I will mark that day on my calendar and celebrate it year after year. I’m talking ringing in the New Year type of celebration. Excessive drinking, excessive smoking and groping random women on the dance floor until I can find one who wants to go home and make some regrettable memories with me.

 

God, I hate this game!!!

lol Amen!

@TJYoung I know that there is no real sense to not only argue the past, but to argue it on the internet; But NGE was indeed on TestCenter.  I know.  I was there playing it, waiting to wake up from the nightmare :)

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by Raora

I'm more pumped for the release of KOTOR now

 

Yeh but I think you have to come into swtor expecting KOTOR with an online component. If you want a virtua Star Wars Universe to live in like SWG Pre CU then I doubt you'll be happy with what swtor will offer. Though you never know Bioware might pull off massive seamless worlds... I doubt it though.

I think SWTOR IS going to be a great MMO. That is compared to the way mmos are now.  It WILL be a good game, but don't expect it to be anything like SWG Pre-CU. Nothing is like that. No game has done what that game did.  Stating all the great things it had that no game has done right or even tried since, has been done a million times. 

P.S. Raora, it's Star Wars the Old Republic, not Knights Of The Old Republic.

wow   i had my love and crying time and joys playing this games years ago like the rest of us     i was there when we  had to run  in our under wear to get our bodies back    now  those were the days  lol       then our animals came to ride and hunt with   great fun      then out speeders and bikes and other transports          then our homes we loved to deco    and loved out crafting system 

 battlle were always fun on either side        then way to many jedis        then  class fixes    then combat changes           then people started to  leave the game              BUT there    is hope   iam waitng for old republic online  : )      those who still hope will find it         we will have our day   eith republic or sith   or agin what ever side     we will play , we will fight ,we will laff and cry   ,we will make ,we will fly   and much more   yes there is hope         see you all there in old republic online : )